*lol* at those knee jerk reactions...Lyssistr wrote...
No news here, I can link many threads where Bioware staff has said that indirectly.
I'm buying at 10£, during a Steam holiday offer at 2012, to play a little before world's end.
Seriously? I'm skipping for Diablo III & Torchlight II
David Gaider wrote...
I do understand where it comes from. It comes from a fear of consoles "tainting" PC games, and often a sense of elitism that console games (and gamers) are somehow less intelligent and discerning than their PC brethren. I don't consider it to be a good thing.CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
I would hope so David. I think you can understand where the fear of consolization would come into play though.
The console wars can kindly go to Off Topic, please. DAO was an action-oriented RPG, and we've clearly amped up the action element in DA2. That doesn't mean the story and characters are any less important to us-- these things don't exist in exclusion to each other, not on the game side and not on the platform side-- and while I don't doubt there's plenty of bad examples they exist on both sides of the fence. It's never just one or the other, except to those people who truly have an axe to grind.
Meh.David Gaider wrote...
I do understand where it comes from. It comes from a fear of consoles "tainting" PC games, and often a sense of elitism that console games (and gamers) are somehow less intelligent and discerning than their PC brethren. I don't consider it to be a good thing.CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
I would hope so David. I think you can understand where the fear of consolization would come into play though.
Estel78 wrote...
*lol* at those knee jerk reactions...Lyssistr wrote...
No news here, I can link many threads where Bioware staff has said that indirectly.
I'm buying at 10£, during a Steam holiday offer at 2012, to play a little before world's end.
Seriously? I'm skipping for Diablo III & Torchlight II
I'd at least wait for a few reviews before announcing to the whole world that you won't buy it or buy it for cheap.
MerinTB wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
I do understand where it comes from. It comes from a fear of consoles "tainting" PC games, and often a sense of elitism that console games (and gamers) are somehow less intelligent and discerning than their PC brethren. I don't consider it to be a good thing.CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
I would hope so David. I think you can understand where the fear of consolization would come into play though.
The console wars can kindly go to Off Topic, please. DAO was an action-oriented RPG, and we've clearly amped up the action element in DA2. That doesn't mean the story and characters are any less important to us-- these things don't exist in exclusion to each other, not on the game side and not on the platform side-- and while I don't doubt there's plenty of bad examples they exist on both sides of the fence. It's never just one or the other, except to those people who truly have an axe to grind.
Wow, ok, I was done...
If there's any sense of elitism, it's from people who say the undelined and bolded above, acting as if their benevolent acceptance is somehow superior to people who are just selective based on their own individual tastes.
I do not think I am a superior person because I prefer PC games to console games. (I own a console, too.)
I also do not think I am a superior person because I like Citizen Kane.
I don't think that someone who prefers console games is less intelligent.
I also don't think someone who likes hip-hop music is less intelligent.
I will say that anyone who claims someone who doesn't want mayo in their tuna is some form of "elitism" is just trying to rile people up (most often because they don't care, one way or the other, about mayo or tuna.)
Really, David? Nice way to trash a whole group of your fan base, just because they don't like console games.
NOW I'm done.
Wow...
I've heard Crackdown labeled as an RPG, so how they're labeled is always worth taking with a pinch of salt.gotthammer wrote...
Isn't the more important thing here is the fact that "DA2 is an RPG"?
David Gaider wrote...
You know, I would have considered DAO an Action RPG in many respects.
Clearly some people have this aversion built into how their precious RPG's are labeled, but DA2 wasn't struck by lightning the moment this phrase was mentioned-- it's still the same game it was yesterday. Just sayin'.
Now I like you even more than before, Mr. Gaider.David Gaider wrote...
I do understand where it comes from. It comes from a fear of consoles "tainting" PC games, and often a sense of elitism that console games (and gamers) are somehow less intelligent and discerning than their PC brethren. I don't consider it to be a good thing.CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
I would hope so David. I think you can understand where the fear of consolization would come into play though.
The console wars can kindly go to Off Topic, please. DAO was an action-oriented RPG, and we've clearly amped up the action element in DA2. That doesn't mean the story and characters are any less important to us-- these things don't exist in exclusion to each other, not on the game side and not on the platform side-- and while I don't doubt there's plenty of bad examples they exist on both sides of the fence. It's never just one or the other, except to those people who truly have an axe to grind.
But I like to believe that one's platform of choice has little to nothing to do with intelligence or critical thinking and everything to do with personal preference.
JohnEpler wrote...
I should note that many of the people on DA2 team would consider themselves 'PC gamers', as it were. Though I currently split my time about 50/50 between the PC and consoles, I grew up on Gold Box RPGs and MUDs.
Having said that, I don't think it's unfair or inaccurate of David to suggest that there are some people (and Merin, I'm not including you among their number) who do genuinely believe that PC gamers are somehow more intelligent and discerning than console gamers (and, conversely, some people on the console side of things who believe that all PC gamers are elitist snobs). This is, of course, a separate argument from whether or not certain types of gameplay translate well to console controllers as opposed to a KBaM setup.
If anyone wants to discuss the division between console and PC games in greater detail, my inbox is always open
Please stop trolling. It's just irritating.Solid N7 wrote...
But the only people that whine in the forums are the "hardcore" pc gamers.
JohnEpler wrote...
I should note that many of the people on DA2 team would consider themselves 'PC gamers', as it were. Though I currently split my time about 50/50 between the PC and consoles, I grew up on Gold Box RPGs and MUDs.
Having said that, I don't think it's unfair or inaccurate of David to suggest that there are some people (and Merin, I'm not including you among their number) who do genuinely believe that PC gamers are somehow more intelligent and discerning than console gamers (and, conversely, some people on the console side of things who believe that all PC gamers are elitist snobs). This is, of course, a separate argument from whether or not certain types of gameplay translate well to console controllers as opposed to a KBaM setup.
If anyone wants to discuss the division between console and PC games in greater detail, my inbox is always open
MerinTB wrote...
Wow, ok, I was done...
If there's any sense of elitism, it's from people who say the undelined and bolded above, acting as if their benevolent acceptance is somehow superior to people who are just selective based on their own individual tastes.
I do not think I am a superior person because I prefer PC games to console games. (I own a console, too.)
I also do not think I am a superior person because I like Citizen Kane.
I don't think that someone who prefers console games is less intelligent.
I also don't think someone who likes hip-hop music is less intelligent.
I will say that anyone who claims someone who doesn't want mayo in their tuna is some form of "elitism" is just trying to rile people up (most often because they don't care, one way or the other, about mayo or tuna.)
Really, David? Nice way to trash a whole group of your fan base, just because they don't like console games.
NOW I'm done.
Wow...
Modifié par David Gaider, 26 août 2010 - 10:54 .
Chaos-fusion wrote...
I've heard Crackdown labeled as an RPG, so how they're labeled is always worth taking with a pinch of salt.gotthammer wrote...
Isn't the more important thing here is the fact that "DA2 is an RPG"?
David Gaider wrote...
MerinTB wrote...
Wow, ok, I was done...
If there's any sense of elitism, it's from people who say the undelined and bolded above, acting as if their benevolent acceptance is somehow superior to people who are just selective based on their own individual tastes.
I do not think I am a superior person because I prefer PC games to console games. (I own a console, too.)
I also do not think I am a superior person because I like Citizen Kane.
I don't think that someone who prefers console games is less intelligent.
I also don't think someone who likes hip-hop music is less intelligent.
I will say that anyone who claims someone who doesn't want mayo in their tuna is some form of "elitism" is just trying to rile people up (most often because they don't care, one way or the other, about mayo or tuna.)
Really, David? Nice way to trash a whole group of your fan base, just because they don't like console games.
NOW I'm done.
Wow...
You know, I don't really care if you don't want mayo in your tuna. Honestly.
The moment you or anyone else crosses the line into sneering down at anyone who does like mayo in their tuna, as if they were some sort of unintelligent half-breed who couldn't figure out what good tuna was with a road map, that's when you cross the line into something unpleasant. And, yes, there's many people on these forums who do just that-- on the console side too, incidentally.
So don't mistake one thing for the other. I was referring to the post who talked about the "fear of consolization".
And this, supposedly, all stems from Ray saying "Action RPG", as if that phrase alone was somehow anathema and clearly pointed to a single type of game-- as if "Action RPG" was any more clearly one thing than "RPG" itself.
Get over yourself. If you want to dislike elements of DA2 that you're aware of, go ahead. If you want to overreact to whatever info does come down the pipe, there's plenty of threads to do it in. This, however, is NOT info. That's what I'm saying.
Solid N7 wrote...
But the only people that whine in the forums are the "hardcore" pc gamers.
Tsuga C wrote...
Solid N7 wrote...
But the only people that whine in the forums are the "hardcore" pc gamers.
And I bet he actually believes this...
Solid N7 wrote...
But the only people that whine in the forums are the "hardcore" pc gamers.
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