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[Heavensrun]

PWENER wrote...

You dumb broad, if it wasn't for TIM reinforcing his bones, the FIRIGGIN NORMANDY would have been lost.

Did you even play the game? What dumb broad this girl is.

Firstly?  Reported for mysogynistic douchebaggery.

Secondly, There isn't even any reason to believe TIM -did- enhance anything about Joker.  He -never- said he couldn't walk in Mass Effect 1, and Shep didn't bat an eyelash to see him walking in Mass Effect 2.  Further,  we get detailed explanations of how the normandy's stealth system works, and in depth analyses of galactic politics and Turian Culture, and even a blip on alien pornography, but they don't bother to explain what you propose is a major physical upgrade to one of the main supporting cast of the game?  I seriously doubt that.

Joker can walk because Joker could always walk, he just has to walk -carefully-.  (or limp-jog carefully, as is the case when a collector boarding party is ransacking his beloved ship.)

You -assumed- he couldn't walk in the first game, and now you're shouting from a position of ignorance to defend your own incorrect assumptions.  Kindof like you're now doing with my gender, as:

...thirdly, I'm male.  That person in my profile picture is my main Dragon Age: Origins character.  You will notice I did not assume that you are a red pepper.  You might extend the same benefit of the doubt to others when looking at their avatars.

[Heavensrun]

PWENER wrote...

Get your research right next time sweety.

I did, sugarplum.  I actually looked up several sources on brittle bone disease, as well as reading personal accounts from people who struggle with it.  But thanks for playing!

[PWENER]

I meant the the "why would TIM help Joker one". Thank YOU for playing broadi.

[DaVanguard]

First I think you would need to fight EDI to get joker

[htiek546]

I agree with Heavensrun. you pwener are stating things about the game that arent true so why don't you play the game again and get your facts straight thank you

[Heavensrun]

PWENER wrote...

I meant the the "why would TIM help Joker one". Thank YOU for playing broadi.

It's cute how you think you have a point.

I'll reiterate mine, just so that you can try again to grasp it.

Joker was perfectly capable of piloting the Normandy in Mass Effect 1.  At no point did his condition ever impair his ability to fly the ship.  Even when the Normandy 1 is having large holes torn in it by the Collector ship, He was -still- perfectly able to fly the ship.  His condition just isn't a handicap for a pilot in the ME universe, so, once again, -why- would TIM pay to upgrade him?  There's no indication that he needs upgrading, if he can continue operating at perfect efficiency when his -ship- can't even fly anymore, when there's a huge gaping hole along the spine of it.

There's also no reason to think that Joker needed to be enhanced to do any of the things he did in ME2.  So even if TIM had anticipated the need for him to do those things (which I tend to doubt), Joker was fine as he was.  If the complete destruction of the original Normandy didn't incapacitate him, the second normandy having a perfectly survivable emergency landing on the surface of a collector base sure isn't going to.

But if you want to go ahead and argue about things that didn't happen in the games and get my gender wrong some more, you're welcome to. 

[TelexFerra]

Joker can lift a heavy pillar.



He's pretending at this point

[Heavensrun]

TelexFerra wrote...

Joker can lift a heavy pillar.

He's pretending at this point

He's definitely fit.  You can just look at his build and gather that.  But that's one of the ways you treat OI/BBD.  Physical therapy to strengthen muscles to reduce the impact on bone.  

[Inquisitor Recon]

Let the pilot pilot the ship. No need to force him to go planet-side to gun down aliens with Shepard or make him a romance option. I guess Cerberus or somebody did improve his condition to some extent, although he is clearly rather fragile still (just look at how he walks).

[rabidhanar]

"Shivers from disgust"



Deos every member of the crew have to be romanceable? Who is next, Dr. Chakwas? EDI? Engineer Adams?



I can understand some of your points Heavensrun, he is both fit and the technology in - cannon could in theory handle the operation...But why is it that people want to get inside every character's pants?

[langelog]

Seth Green approves (+12)

In one of his interviews, Seth did complain that his only romance was with EDI.

[Heavensrun]

ReconTeam wrote...

Let the pilot pilot the ship. No need to force him to go planet-side to gun down aliens with Shepard or make him a romance option. I guess Cerberus or somebody did improve his condition to some extent, although he is clearly rather fragile still (just look at how he walks).

Again, there's no evidence that Cerberus did anything of the sort, but that's neither here nor there.

He doesn't have to be a planetside squadmate to be a romance option. 

[Heavensrun]

rabidhanar wrote...

"Shivers from disgust"

Deos every member of the crew have to be romanceable? Who is next, Dr. Chakwas? EDI? Engineer Adams?

I can understand some of your points Heavensrun, he is both fit and the technology in - cannon could in theory handle the operation...But why is it that people want to get inside every character's pants?

Well, I think that comes down to the fact that we're all different, and we all like different people.  To some, Tali is the pinnacle of sexy mysterious awesome.

(cough)  Not that I'm talking about myself there.  (stupid lack of lesbian Talimance)

To others, Joker is just way prefferable to the male options on offer.  I'm sure, somewhere, there is probably someone with an older woman attraction that would like to romance Chakwas.

Ultimately, Joker is reasonably attractive, he's smart, he's witty, and some people are attracted to a man who, despite physical impairment, manages to get along, and even excel.  He's not my type, ( ;p ) but I can appreciate that there's a lot to find attractive about a guy like Joker.

Also?  Adams may be a bit old for femShep, but it's a matter of public record on these forums, taken from a dev post, that Engineer Donnelly was originally going to be a non-squaddie romance option, but the idea got shelved in production.  (Kelly was the female option from that feature, which manifested itself in the little "fling" option that went into the final product)  So non-squaddie romance options are at least something Bioware's toyed with before.

[Heavensrun]

Cardial Joe wrote...

Heavensrun: It's so good to see someone with actual medical knowledge on here! You have probably the most viable points I've seen on this. :]

To be fair, I only have as much medical knowledge as a few hours research could net me.  But I like to look things up before I  start blathering about them.  ;p

[rabidhanar]

Nice point, I am just getting tired of romance threads about every character including the fish in Shepard's Room. People need to find a person that holds the basic relationship stereotypes (innocent, badboy, ****, friend, high school crush, alien fetish (ugh...I cannot personally understand), abused, etc.) they like. You will never find a perfect character for your personal fantasy in these sorts of games unless you like the stereotypes. Unless we ourselves could create a virtual member of the opposite sex (kind of creepy, in my opinion), not everyone will be happy.

We have plenty of options on the menu, just because you dislike one particular dish it does not give you the right to order the chef to create a new dish just for you.

[JowyXXV]

Now that you mention it, that 2nd smallest fish looked kind of sexy....



But c'mon! Joker would certainly beat Kaidan (who many disliked for having the exact same VA and a similar look as the male romance of KoToR 1) or Jacob (who went to extremely butt-ugly from Galaxies to ME2) in many people's books.

[Heavensrun]

rabidhanar wrote...

Nice point, I am just getting tired of romance threads about every character including the fish in Shepard's Room. People need to find a person that holds the basic relationship stereotypes (innocent, badboy, ****, friend, high school crush, alien fetish (ugh...I cannot personally understand), abused, etc.) they like. You will never find a perfect character for your personal fantasy in these sorts of games unless you like the stereotypes. Unless we ourselves could create a virtual member of the opposite sex (kind of creepy, in my opinion), not everyone will be happy.
We have plenty of options on the menu, just because you dislike one particular dish it does not give you the right to order the chef to create a new dish just for you.

No, but there's nothing wrong with taking the little "how can we improve our service?" card and writing down some dishes you'd like to see added to the menu.  ;p  Nobody's demanding or ordering anything, we're all just saying what we think of the game, our options, and what we'd like to see in the sequel/DLC.  Which is, if I'm not mistaken, the overall -point- of these forums.  One of them, anyway.

[Heavensrun]

JowyXXV wrote...

Now that you mention it, that 2nd smallest fish looked kind of sexy....

But c'mon! Joker would certainly beat Kaidan (who many disliked for having the exact same VA and a similar look as the male romance of KoToR 1) or Jacob (who went to extremely butt-ugly from Galaxies to ME2) in many people's books.

Huh.  I thought Jacob was reasonably handsome.  And I honestly always thought the Kaiden/Carth association hate was totally uncalled for.  Not that I'm nessecarily disagreeing that Joker would be a better LI than either of them, (although Jacob won major points with me for his resolution of his loyalty mission, if Shep picks the renegade convo options.  That was...a very dark twinge of serious badassery.  I was impressed.) but I didn't think either of them were as bad as some make them out to be.

[JowyXXV]

What's your opinion of Jacob in Galaxies?

[Heavensrun]

JowyXXV wrote...

What's your opinion of Jacob in Galaxies?

Don't have an Iphone.  Couldn't play it, and out of a sense of bitter exclusion, I kinda avoided looking at it too much. ;p  (googles)  Interesting.  I actually think he looks better in ME2, but honestly, that may just be because that's what I'm used to.  Galaxies Jacob definitely gives me the impression of an older character.  He was kinda babyfaced in ME2.

[Esbatty]

Actually it'd make more sense for Joker, during those 2 years Shepard was gone, to undergo more physical therapy and strength training in order to be able to get around in extreme situations to never again endanger someone like what happened to Shepard.



Joker was trying to save the Normandy, its basically his home, his work, his life... being the pilot of one of the most advanced, most expensive, ship in the known verse. So maybe, just maybe he got better in order to save himself if need be.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Well think about it this way, why would Joker suddenly trust Cerberus? Obviously it took some negotiation, and Cerberus helping to treat his condition may be part of the agreement they struck.