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[Bobad]

Arrtis wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

I think you guys and gals need to stop getting excited over pixels.Also stop getting mad over pixels...

Aren't you feeling a bit excited over big boobs yourself though? 

All those neat images and videos you see of real people are pixels too, apparently. And that is another point entirely.

You assume much.
I never feel any emotion when wathcing television or on my computer.
THe amount of people do however is quite large.
Quite horrible.

Suspension of disbelief for the purposes of immersing yourself in a story?, what's horrible about that?, or are you just talking about not being turned on by sex & nudity in any media?

[swirlwind]

Marionetten wrote...

His pecs are exposed. How is that not as revealing as Bethany?

All I see are more double standards. How disappointing.

I agree the Chasind robes on men are just as revealing as Bethany's outfit. However, they are unique in DA:O. Nothing else male characters wear in that game comes even close to the Chasind robes, whereas females have revealing leather armours in addition to revealing robes.

Marionetten wrote...

Those exaggerated washboard abs has nothing to do with natural strength or fitness. They're there for aesthetic reasons.

It's great that you don't need them but that doesn't change the fact that they're still there. The pandering is equal.

It's not equal. To see the abs you need to remove any armour or even clothing. The breasts are visible no matter what you cover them with, especially if they're as large as Bethany's. Also, the fact that male characters have washboard abs doesn't make them unbelievable in the setting and the role they're playing. The same is not true for the female protagonist if she sports the same rack as Bethany does.

Marionetten wrote...

That said, I don't think anyone is opposed to the idea of a slider and I believe that is more likely to happen than BioWare changing the current assets. I whined a lot about the unnatural bodies in Dragon Age: Origins and that didn't accomplish much.

I'd say you're wrong with the assumption that slider is more likely to happen. It didn't happen for DA:O, it won't happen for DA2.

The unnatural bodies in DA:O had to do with using the same animation rig (or whatever you call it) on both male and female characters. This isn't the case in DA2.

[Mallissin]

lv12medic wrote...

Bethany's breasts look... off. I don't know, they look contorted or something, like the female heavy armors in DA:O. At certain angles, it looked like someone divided by zero or something. Maybe my eyeballs are just weird, I don't know. Maybe it has to do with projecting a 3d model on 2d screen.

I mean, in this screenshot, her left breast looks fine... but her right one looks like it juts out in a awkward, painful, gravity defying way. I don't know if that's just because they're too large or what.

What's more important is why the chain mail cuts off below the boobs. She should have scale mail or something protecting those suckers otherwise it's just cloth there. Completely unrealistic!

[the_one_54321]

I have to wonder, if they made a body model for men with an unrealistically gigantic crotch bulge, would any men care in the slightest? Seriously consider it. Would they even notice at all except maybe to make a few jokes about it?

[Rake21]

[quote]Arrtis wrote...

[quote]Russalka wrote...

You assume much.
I never feel any emotion when wathcing television or on my computer.
THe amount of people do however is quite large.
Quite horrible.

[/quote]

But emotions are the path to unlimited power.  Just ask any Sith Lord

[Arrtis]

[quote]Rake21 wrote...

[quote]Arrtis wrote...

[quote]Russalka wrote...

You assume much.
I never feel any emotion when wathcing television or on my computer.
THe amount of people do however is quite large.
Quite horrible.

[/quote]

But emotions are the path to unlimited power.  Just ask any Sith Lord[/quote]
you screwed up those quotes badly.

[CrookedAsylum]

Arrtis wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Boob envy is a terrible thing.

It occurs too often.
WHen will women be simply comfortable with themselves?

I have large breasts. I hate them.

[Saibh]

Marionetten wrote...

It isn't. It's skin and cuts off right before the nipples. I wore those robes for quite a while and grew somewhat attached to them. In general, I found the male robes to be painfully drab.

Fer srs?  Wow, that is ridiculous. That is ridiculous. Okay, you're right, there's one set of...oddly revealing clothes. I don't think I'll ever be able to put them on again for anyone. I wonder why I never noticed.

Some men do. Just like how some women prefer having big breasts on their avatars.

There is no difference. Absolutely none.

Refer to just below...

Well, BioWare did ruin leather for females in a shoddy attempt to deliver cleavage. I much prefer what I'm seeing on Bethany, to be honest.

But I was speaking more in terms of Dragon Age 2, yes? I'm sure the men will retain the same old fantasy physique.

And if that's the case, go ahead and make a post describing why you don't like it. If no one does, I'll assume it's safe to say the men don't care as much as women care about how their character models are presented. Maybe I can't infer they prefer it that way, but I'll assume it matters to them less. Women are objectified blah blah want a fantasy heroine that looks like a hero blah blah, and all that jazz, you see? 

[Rake21]

Arrtis wrote...


you screwed up those quotes badly.

Yes I did...

[saruman31]

Mallissin wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

Bethany's breasts look... off. I don't know, they look contorted or something, like the female heavy armors in DA:O. At certain angles, it looked like someone divided by zero or something. Maybe my eyeballs are just weird, I don't know. Maybe it has to do with projecting a 3d model on 2d screen.

I mean, in this screenshot, her left breast looks fine... but her right one looks like it juts out in a awkward, painful, gravity defying way. I don't know if that's just because they're too large or what.

What's more important is why the chain mail cuts off below the boobs. She should have scale mail or something protecting those suckers otherwise it's just cloth there. Completely unrealistic!

I don`t think darkspawn cut with the intend of slicing breasts.

[Arrtis]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Boob envy is a terrible thing.

It occurs too often.
WHen will women be simply comfortable with themselves?

I have large breasts. I hate them.

THats because your a man.

[Clover Rider]

Arrtis wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Boob envy is a terrible thing.

It occurs too often.
WHen will women be simply comfortable with themselves?

I have large breasts. I hate them.

THats because your a man.

And green .

[Russalka]

Bobad, you were saying before?

[CrookedAsylum]

saruman31 wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

Bethany's breasts look... off. I don't know, they look contorted or something, like the female heavy armors in DA:O. At certain angles, it looked like someone divided by zero or something. Maybe my eyeballs are just weird, I don't know. Maybe it has to do with projecting a 3d model on 2d screen.

I mean, in this screenshot, her left breast looks fine... but her right one looks like it juts out in a awkward, painful, gravity defying way. I don't know if that's just because they're too large or what.

What's more important is why the chain mail cuts off below the boobs. She should have scale mail or something protecting those suckers otherwise it's just cloth there. Completely unrealistic!

I don`t think darkspawn cut with the intend of slicing breasts.

No, but the torso is the easiest, and largest, target on the body. It doesn't make sense to run around with your boobs flying in the wind. This goes for men and women alike.

[Marionetten]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I have to wonder, if they made a body model for men with an unrealistically gigantic crotch bulge, would any men care in the slightest? Seriously consider it. Would they even notice at all except maybe to make a few jokes about it?

The bulge was disturbingly huge in Dragon Age: Origins. Especially on dwarves. Whenever I stripped my character I could feel that thing staring at me like a vicious animal starving for some fresh meat.

Saibh wrote...

And if that's the case, go ahead and make a post describing why you don't like it. If no one does, I'll assume it's safe to say the men don't care as much as women care about how their character models are presented. Maybe I can't infer they prefer it that way, but I'll assume it matters to them less. Women are objectified blah blah want a fantasy heroine that looks like a hero blah blah, and all that jazz, you see?

We already had tons of these threads on the old Dragon Age forums not wanting to see a repeat of the horror found in Neverwinter Nights. While not nearly as bad we still ended up with beefcakes. It's just unavoidable when dealing with fantasy. As are big racks.

I wish you luck but ultimately your struggle is pointless.

Modifié par Marionetten, 27 août 2010 - 07:24 .

[Arrtis]

WHy do you guys assume village folk would spend a great deal of time and effort on protecting themselves versus certain enemies?

[CrookedAsylum]

Arrtis wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Boob envy is a terrible thing.

It occurs too often.
WHen will women be simply comfortable with themselves?

I have large breasts. I hate them.

THats because your a man.

I'm very much female. I still hate them.

[swirlwind]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I have to wonder, if they made a body model for men with an unrealistically gigantic crotch bulge, would any men care in the slightest? Seriously consider it. Would they even notice at all except maybe to make a few jokes about it?

Would the bulge be so big it would impede the warrior from swinging his sword right? Come on, it's not the same thing. Boobs are great. Big boobs are great. Big boobs on a really skinny woman who should portray a believable warrior, rogue or a mage look ridiculously out of place.

[Bobad]

Russalka wrote...

Bobad, you were saying before?

I never said that fools don't exist, if you're talking about the current thread direction

Modifié par Bobad, 27 août 2010 - 07:21 .

[CrookedAsylum]

Marionetten wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I have to wonder, if they made a body model for men with an unrealistically gigantic crotch bulge, would any men care in the slightest? Seriously consider it. Would they even notice at all except maybe to make a few jokes about it?

The bulge was disturbingly huge in Dragon Age: Origins. Especially on dwarves. Whenever I stripped my character I could feel that thing staring at me like a vicious animal starving for some fresh meat.

This analogy made me giggle.

[Arrtis]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Boob envy is a terrible thing.

It occurs too often.
WHen will women be simply comfortable with themselves?

I have large breasts. I hate them.

THats because your a man.

I'm very much female. I still hate them.

Only because you cant find the right supporting bra.

[Games4ever]

Some girls just have big boobs. many others pay a lot of money to get big boobs,why?

because we guys like it :-) so Bioware make them as big as you like.

[syllogi]

Agreed with the OP, there is no reason for every female in the game to have ridiculously large breasts, and I will be extremely disappointed if Lady Hawke is similarly thin with huge knockers. IF we were guaranteed a toolset update some time in the future, this wouldn't be as big a deal to me, but there are no plans for that currently.



I don't even mind if there are several different female models, and one of them happens to be well endowed, but even then, making her whole body curvier and fuller would be more realistic and natural.



This issue is one of the many reasons those who play female characters want to see Lady Hawke. Imagine if they actually DID listen to fan feedback at this point in development, but because marketing was holding back images of Lady Hawke, any changes we might suggest never get a chance to be heard. That would be depressing.

[saruman31]

swirlwind wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I have to wonder, if they made a body model for men with an unrealistically gigantic crotch bulge, would any men care in the slightest? Seriously consider it. Would they even notice at all except maybe to make a few jokes about it?

Would the bulge be so big it would impede the warrior from swinging his sword right? Come on, it's not the same thing. Boobs are great. Big boobs are great. Big boobs on a really skinny woman who should portray a believable warrior, rogue or a mage look ridiculously out of place.

I agree with the warrior or rogue. But with a mage? I dont think they imped so much the ability to rise your staff and chant something.

[Arrtis]

So far you got a few pics of women.

Far from all women.