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[SirOccam]

I don't think it'll be Duncan, but my plot-related spidey sense tells me that there will be some kind of paternal reveal in the game. Unless it's established at the beginning that his father is dead or something. In which case...the reveal will be that he's not really dead after all.

[Hex of Hell]

Zevais wrote...

Hawke is not a Grey Warden. Children of Grey Wardens carry the taint of a Grey Warden; therefore, they too are Grey Wardens by default. The only way Hawke will become a Grey Warden is if he chooses to become one. I doubt that will be an option. I doubt his life is meant to be snuffed out so quickly. Grey Wardens live and die on the fast track.

Not all children of Wardens carry the taint. Read The Calling. At least one didn't. Also, even if they did, that would be irrelevant if Hawke were born before Duncan partook in the Joining.

[Elanareon]

That would explain his badassness!

[Zevais]

Captain Hex wrote...

Zevais wrote...

Hawke is not a Grey Warden. Children of Grey Wardens carry the taint of a Grey Warden; therefore, they too are Grey Wardens by default. The only way Hawke will become a Grey Warden is if he chooses to become one. I doubt that will be an option. I doubt his life is meant to be snuffed out so quickly. Grey Wardens live and die on the fast track.

Not all children of Wardens carry the taint. Read The Calling. At least one didn't. Also, even if they did, that would be irrelevant if Hawke were born before Duncan partook in the Joining.

You cannot hold this as fact since I don't have the reference handy, but I came across a statement a long while ago stating that Duncan had only one child. The Calling does not specify if the child does not have a trace of the taint. They only hinted that the child may possibly not have been affected. That is not guarantee, and I don't hold that as high canon as Alistar's claim that all children will have the taint or Morrigan assuming that her dark ritual baby is guaranteed to have the taint. The archdemon wouldn't seek out the child if it was not the equivalent of a Grey Warden. Hawke is not a Grey Warden; he is not Duncan's son. I would be willing to place money on that.

That is not to say that I do believe other characters may have had influence in his life as a child. I doubt Duncan had any influence; in any, it would be minor.

I don't really need to debate beyond this matter on this post; because I am arrogant enough not to be disuaded from my points here. I freely admit that; but feel free to believe otherwise. It is your right; and I will support you believing what you choose to believe. Have fun with the rest of the debate everyone; I am moving on to another topic.

[thegreateski]

Not possible.

[Shiratori]

Didn't David already state awhile back that children of Grey Wardens are born without the taint as part of the same conversation that 2 Grey Wardens cannot have children on their own (without some sort of external intervention like magic)? Granted that has no bearing on whether Hawke is/is not Duncan's child (after all, there was that mage in the tower during "The Calling"...) but even if so, Hawke would not be tainted.

[Hex of Hell]

Zevais wrote...

You cannot hold this as fact since I don't have the reference handy, but I came across a statement a long while ago stating that Duncan had only one child. The Calling does not specify if the child does not have a trace of the taint. They only hinted that the child may possibly not have been affected. That is not guarantee, and I don't hold that as high canon as Alistar's claim that all children will have the taint or Morrigan assuming that her dark ritual baby is guaranteed to have the taint. The archdemon wouldn't seek out the child if it was not the equivalent of a Grey Warden. Hawke is not a Grey Warden; he is not Duncan's son. I would be willing to place money on that.

That is not to say that I do believe other characters may have had influence in his life as a child. I doubt Duncan had any influence; in any, it would be minor.

I don't really need to debate beyond this matter on this post; because I am arrogant enough not to be disuaded from my points here. I freely admit that; but feel free to believe otherwise. It is your right; and I will support you believing what you choose to believe. Have fun with the rest of the debate everyone; I am moving on to another topic.

I'm not really sure why I'm bothering to reply to you since you're claiming you wont even read this, but ...

You're right, on relooking at The Calling it doesn't specify that the child is free of the taint specifically. However, it does say that Wardens do have children on occasion and that the Wardens give them away when this happens. That would be rather inadvised I would think if this child were in fact destined to be tainted and grow up a Warden. It would also lessen the need for the Joining. They could simply breed to create more. It seems more likely to me that none of them are born with the taint. Anything Alistair may or may not have claimed is irrelevant since he knew little more about being a Grey Warden than you did, and Morrigan's ritual worked because she performed a ritual. If the child were tainted, it's likely because the ritual caused it to be that way. If every child became tainted, and that tainted child were all that was required, she could have easily bedded Riordan. And again, none of this means anything whatsoever if Duncan sired a child before he became a Warden.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

If I remember correctly and you go on the assumption that Fiona is Alistair's mother, he was not born with the taint in the book. Fiona along with Duncan and the other wardens at Weisshaupt would have known if he was born with the taint. Grey Wardens can have children but it is rare when they do, Fiona is a prime example of this.



I'm all for Hawke being Duncan's son. It would tie DAO into DA2.



The devs have already stated that Hawke isn't a Grey Warden to my knowledge.

[Odin2040]

Zevais wrote...

Hawke is not a Grey Warden. Children of Grey Wardens carry the taint of a Grey Warden; therefore, they too are Grey Wardens by default. The only way Hawke will become a Grey Warden is if he chooses to become one. I doubt that will be an option. I doubt his life is meant to be snuffed out so quickly. Grey Wardens live and die on the fast track.

He could've had Hawke before becoming a Grey Warden. And perhaps this taint explains Hawke's abilities from the trailer. It's a posibility in my eyes.

[Shreav]

If we take his hair away, I reckon the shape of his face is still quite similar to Duncan.



While it might not be true that they are related, I feel that on a design-related level, they decided to base his looks on Duncan, or a template similar to Duncan's.



Could even be that the same artist designed them both.

[Super ._. Shepard]

they do look similar

[Lady_Scarlett]

Duncan was of Rivani heritage, right? I remember it said he was in the Calling. (But then the codex in game completely contradicts this. Stupid.)

Hawke (especially when I first saw him) looks Rivani to me. Tanned skin, dark hair and all. And Hawke reminds me of what I imagined young Duncan looking like (but with a ponytail).

[Aurawolf]

I just think Bioware has something for characters with beards.

[KhorinShizucor]

Odin2040 wrote...

Zevais wrote...

Hawke is not a Grey Warden. Children of Grey Wardens carry the taint of a Grey Warden; therefore, they too are Grey Wardens by default. The only way Hawke will become a Grey Warden is if he chooses to become one. I doubt that will be an option. I doubt his life is meant to be snuffed out so quickly. Grey Wardens live and die on the fast track.

He could've had Hawke before becoming a Grey Warden. And perhaps this taint explains Hawke's abilities from the trailer. It's a posibility in my eyes.

Have you read David Gaider's novels? If not, I'll just say that there's no way Hawke is Duncan's kid because of Duncan's part in the story.

[KhorinShizucor]

Lady_Scarlett wrote...

Duncan was of Rivani heritage, right? I remember it said he was in the Calling. (But then the codex in game completely contradicts this. Stupid.)
Hawke (especially when I first saw him) looks Rivani to me. Tanned skin, dark hair and all. And Hawke reminds me of what I imagined young Duncan looking like (but with a ponytail).

The corsair looking lady is a Rivaini sea fairer according to the pop up trailer and Hawke is rather light compared to her so I can't agree.

[eucatastrophe]

Schwadragon wrote...

Eh, I'm not so sure they look similar, other than the fact that they both have beards.

And I really don't think Hawke should be Duncan's son/daughter. I remember during the lead up to ME2 all the speculation about whether Aria was Liara's father, or if Jack was Gillian from Ascension. Why can't new characters just be new characters?

QFE.
Duncan is rather tanned, and Hawke is just plain sallow.

I wouldn't make this a point but the OP did broach on the fact taht they look alike... which they don.t

They could be related but I don't think so and I certianly hope not. Never really liked the Duncan character that much, so maybe that's why!

[Emperor Mars]

I doubt it...they just happen to have the "epic beard" gene running in both families.

[smitty1984]

[Lady_Scarlett]

eucatastrophe wrote...

Schwadragon wrote...

Eh, I'm not so sure they look similar, other than the fact that they both have beards.

And I really don't think Hawke should be Duncan's son/daughter. I remember during the lead up to ME2 all the speculation about whether Aria was Liara's father, or if Jack was Gillian from Ascension. Why can't new characters just be new characters?

QFE.
Duncan is rather tanned, and Hawke is just plain sallow.

In the Destiny trailer, Hawke looks as pale as me in RL, I nod to this (I am pretty pasty. Or, at least, I used to be. The summer ruined my beautiful complexion *overdramtic gasp*)

But in the screenshots, he looks tanned.



I might be just blind and stupid, but he DOES look tanish to me there. Might also be the lighting too.

[KhorinShizucor]

Did that not come from the printed version? I'm taking a look at this screenshot: http://www.gamersplu...da204_35862.jpg

He doesn't seem tanned but he's definitely not pale.

Modifié par KhorinShizucor, 28 août 2010 - 03:56 .

[eucatastrophe]

I might be just blind and stupid, but he DOES look tanish to me there. Might also be the lighting too.

Definitely looks swarthier, but Duncan was darker still in-game.

Might I just add how much better the cinematic Hawke looks in comparison to the in-game one? 

[KhorinShizucor]

eucatastrophe wrote...
Might I just add how much better the cinematic Hawke looks in comparison to the in-game one? 

I can't help but agree with you. *swoons

[Saibh]

Lady_Scarlett wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Schwadragon wrote...

Eh, I'm not so sure they look similar, other than the fact that they both have beards.

And I really don't think Hawke should be Duncan's son/daughter. I remember during the lead up to ME2 all the speculation about whether Aria was Liara's father, or if Jack was Gillian from Ascension. Why can't new characters just be new characters?

QFE.
Duncan is rather tanned, and Hawke is just plain sallow.

In the Destiny trailer, Hawke looks as pale as me in RL, I nod to this (I am pretty pasty. Or, at least, I used to be. The summer ruined my beautiful complexion *overdramtic gasp*)

But in the screenshots, he looks tanned.



I might be just blind and stupid, but he DOES look tanish to me there. Might also be the lighting too.

It's the quality of that screenshot yellowfying everything. Same screenshot (glory in Bethany's amazing technicolor hair!):



He's a little darker than Bethany, but take a look at Duncan.

Here's another:

Modifié par Saibh, 28 août 2010 - 04:02 .

[stiksen]

if you ask me Hawke looks like Daniel Faraday on Lost. But I read on http://dragonage.wik...Dragon_Age_Wiki that its rumoured that Duncan is indeed Hawke's father

Modifié par stiksen, 28 août 2010 - 04:07 .