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[upsettingshorts]

It never ceases to amaze me what feats of plot people will accept, and those that they will dismiss with righteous indignation.

It didn't strike me as particularly unbelievable, incoherent, or require a sub-standard IQ to comprehend.

Resorting to insults though doesn't require any sort of intelligence, however.

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SAY YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT? 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 août 2010 - 02:08 .

[Esbatty]

Well hasn't it been broken down somewhere that the way the human body is proportioned that at a certain size the bone/tendon structure wouldn't be able to support the weight of the muscles and organs, let alone move. So by using humans a template, with human as the main ingredient they'd essentially have to follow the size limitations allowed.



Also, in using humans to build a reaper maybe they wanted that "x factor" humanity has that allows Shepard to keep them from doing what they do. The Human Reaper being like Bizarro Shepard.

[upsettingshorts]

1) Eh, it's space and they're using wildly different building materials.



2) Until we get confirmation in ME3 or another way, all we've got to go on is EDI's speculation on their reasoning for the shape.

[MisterDyslexo]

They could be trying to cause a galactic civil war. There are tense feelings against thee humans, whether they saved the council or not. What better way to think that humans, the ones rising to power in a quasi coup, are attacking the other species than have a spaceship that looks like a human leading the charge?

[didymos1120]

Esbatty wrote...
 So by using humans a template, with human as the main ingredient they'd essentially have to follow the size limitations allowed.

It's not  primarily made of human meat and bone (not even close to primarily), so those limitations aren't particularly relevant.  If they were, then the SFX and theme park industries have been doing the impossible for decades now.  Hell, some signmakers too.

ETA:  Not to mention it doesn't actually adhere very closely to the human form.  Really, it mostly just mimics the general shape..sort of.  Just look at its hands, and then look at its face.  Both have the same sort of "fingers" attached to them, and the hands aren't articulated like ours at all.  No thumb, for one thing, and they're radially symmetrical.  The "spine" is also ridiculously long for a human, and it gets used as a giant flail, and there's nothing approaching even an incipient pelvic girdle, much less legs. There also aren't anything like muscle attachment points, or ligaments/tendons, etc, etc., etc.  Plenty of cabling, but it doesn't appear to ever be under tension. Then there's stuff like, oh, having a functional cannon in its mouth.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 août 2010 - 07:14 .

[Moiaussi]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

They could be trying to cause a galactic civil war. There are tense feelings against thee humans, whether they saved the council or not. What better way to think that humans, the ones rising to power in a quasi coup, are attacking the other species than have a spaceship that looks like a human leading the charge?

That could be viable, if they attacked the other races first. The other Council races already distrust Humanity.

[Zan51]

Um, a giant alien space ship looking like a human being, wouldn't make me think it was a human owned ship! I mean, c'mon guys, space ships, even though there is no friction in space, are going to be a functional shape! It's not like humanity is using that kind of shape for ships already, is it? The human shape is far from being functional, even for us! (Our back isn't designed for walking upright for starters.. and try this Link for more if you are interested. http://img.dailymail...od_772x1000.jpg )

Nah the human larva was not going to be the outer shape of anything.

[MisterDyslexo]

Zan51 wrote...

Um, a giant alien space ship looking like a human being, wouldn't make me think it was a human owned ship! I mean, c'mon guys, space ships, even though there is no friction in space, are going to be a functional shape! It's not like humanity is using that kind of shape for ships already, is it? The human shape is far from being functional, even for us! (Our back isn't designed for walking upright for starters.. and try this Link for more if you are interested. http://img.dailymail...od_772x1000.jpg )
Nah the human larva was not going to be the outer shape of anything.

It could've just been a giant hood ornament... *waits for somebody to photoshop that picture*

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 29 août 2010 - 08:34 .

[Skyblade012]

While a little silly, you are not exactly that far off, Dys. That Reaper is absolutely miniscule compared to Sovereign. The entire thing would fit well within a single one of Sovereign's weapon-toting fingers (or whatever the heck you want to call those things).



Since it seems unlikely that the Reaper will actually grow (the materials don't seem flexible enough, and it would be inefficient to constantly build up a changing structure unnecessarily), that design is not necessarily a large portion of the final product at all.

[Solaris Paradox]

EDIT: Hell, for all we know the part of the Reaper we saw would have something on the inside. I won't be surprised if the final boss of Mass Effect 3 is the "Reaper" inside of Harbinger, myself, and that killing the thing inside a Reaper is what brings the ship down (which would tie in fairly well with how Sovereign just fell over like a sack of bricks when Shepard beat Saren at the end of ME1).

Oh, come on, I'm sure the Collectors would have done something more sensible than just barrel into Earth when the Terminus colonies ran dry. They'd just have to change it up to make up for the fact that they were working in Council Space. Even giving it a rest for a while until humanity let its guard down again would be less time-consuming and roundabout than some drawn-out cloning scheme.

Modifié par Solaris Paradox, 29 août 2010 - 08:51 .

[didymos1120]

Skyblade012 wrote...
Since it seems unlikely that the Reaper will actually grow (the materials don't seem flexible enough, and it would be inefficient to constantly build up a changing structure unnecessarily), that design is not necessarily a large portion of the final product at all.

Personally, I think the species-mimicing bits are basically the "braincase" of a finished Reaper.  If something goes especially wrong, like the Reaper being boarded and the intruders making it past the standard defenses, it has a degree of mobility and some ability to fend for itself, but mostly it's just there as a sort of weird, twisted homage to the species that was "ascended".  Once plugged into the dreadnaught hull, it basically doesn't do anything.  Call it the Reaper equivalent of a case-mod.

[KainrycKarr]

It was poor writing, likely the result of someone at bioware showing up half-stoned and calling a meeting...



"Guys....I just saw Terminator: Salvation and...."



yeah. prolly something like that.

[krimesh]

didymos1120 wrote...
Then there's stuff like, oh, having a functional cannon in its mouth.

Ever been spit at by a baby before? I haven't but I assume that can happen, so I just put that under "pissed off larva spitting its lunch at me".

[KainrycKarr]

Which is just as utterly retarded if you think about it.

[krimesh]

KainrycKarr wrote...

It was poor writing, likely the result of someone at bioware showing up half-stoned and calling a meeting...

"Guys....I just saw Terminator: Salvation and...."

yeah. prolly something like that.

So how should they have let Shepard fight a baby-reaper? It seems not very plausible for a reaper to start of like a smaller version of his grown self - can't imagine the hull actually growing in size or anything. Besides there is not much you can do in a fight.. it'd just be a big rocking cannon then. On the other hand, it sorta makes sense for the human reaper to start out more or less human looking, and then to  grow new things around that form, eventually becoming the usual reaper shape. Although we don't really know what that is... not many clear pictures of reapers. Only Sovereign and Harbinger, and those two could have been made from the same race, for all we know.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

didymos1120 wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...
Since it seems unlikely that the Reaper will actually grow (the materials don't seem flexible enough, and it would be inefficient to constantly build up a changing structure unnecessarily), that design is not necessarily a large portion of the final product at all.

Personally, I think the species-mimicing bits are basically the "braincase" of a finished Reaper.  If something goes especially wrong, like the Reaper being boarded and the intruders making it past the standard defenses, it has a degree of mobility and some ability to fend for itself, but mostly it's just there as a sort of weird, twisted homage to the species that was "ascended".  Once plugged into the dreadnaught hull, it basically doesn't do anything.  Call it the Reaper equivalent of a case-mod.

Five bucks says we board a living Reaper in ME3 and have to fight something that looks like Pilot from Farscape.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It never ceases to amaze me what feats of plot people will accept, and those that they will dismiss with righteous indignation.

It didn't strike me as particularly unbelievable, incoherent, or require a sub-standard IQ to comprehend.

Resorting to insults though doesn't require any sort of intelligence, however.

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SAY YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT? 

You mean accept that two objective observers can reach totally different conclusions about a topic which are not only valid but also not mutually exclusive?  MADNESS! 

[DarthKaldriss]

Maybe it was being built to replace Sovereign ?

[Lewie]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

Maybe it was being built to replace Sovereign ?

If thats the case can you imagine what we might be up against in 3 lol.

[Berkilak]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

Maybe it was being built to replace Sovereign ?

My theory exactly. A hasty plan B in this hinterto unprecedented situation for the Reapers.

[Burningwolf]

Heres my take.

The human reaper project was put into motion around the time SHepard died at the begining.

The reaper in contact with the collectors (harbinger? I think)Said...Get that Mofo Shepard at all costs... he or shes gonna be the brain for the next reaper we build.



Of course Liara took care of that little problem at just the right time.Now...imagine if Shepard HAD been rebuilt as a reaper..the one person who understands everything...what could stop something like that....

Course the whole base was in the process of being decomissioned and torn apart when we got there...

[Berkilak]

Course the whole base was in the process of being decomissioned and torn apart when we got there...

How do you figure?

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Berkilak wrote...

DarthKaldriss wrote...

Maybe it was being built to replace Sovereign ?

My theory exactly. A hasty plan B in this hinterto unprecedented situation for the Reapers.

This is why I don't think we're going to fight the WHOLE Reaper fleet in 3.  I think flying into the galaxy from dark space is Reaper Plan F, as in We Are So...  Otherwise, they'd just do it every time and bother with the Citadel relay.

They'll either use up all their fuel, leaving most of them in hibernate mode upon arrival or they'll cannibalize their reserves to jump a small force in to retake the Citadel and bring in the rest.  Either way, only a few will be active, probably acting through puppets until the second or third act.

[Nightwriter]

Berkilak wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

EDI explains all this back in the Collectors' Base.

 EDI explains the how but not the why. It is fairly evident that the Reapers are using humans (which they are interested in due to reasons you listed) as a catalyst for their reproductive cycle. The oddity lies in the circumstances.

Firstly, if the Human-Reaper would have been constructed, it would have been the only one on the galaxy. I think we can safely assume that this is a unique situation in the Reaper cycle - previous Reapers were most assuredly created during galactic harvests, not secreted away in a hitherto inaccessible area of the galaxy. Why go through the trouble of creating that single Reaper if the harvest is able to occur anyway? The answer is obvious: that Reaper was necessary for the harvest to begin.

Secondly, the Reaper was relatively small. This could be be for a number of reasons. Perhaps it would eventually "grow" to Reaper size as organic life develops. Perhaps it was merely the endoskeleton of Reapers that resemble the species it was assembled into. Or perhaps they knew their resources were limited and downsized. I obviously prefer the latter option as it fits my theory, but all are viable.

I hardly think that the Reapers would go through all the trouble of creating one of their kind remotely through the Collectors simply because they think humans, notably Shepard, are "neat." That may have been a factor for selecting the race of which the Reaper would be assembled, but it was assuredly not the sole purpose for its creation.

Is it weird that the only answers that came to mind for those questions were metagaming ones?

Why go through the trouble of creating that single Reaper if the harvest is able to occur anyway? The writers had to find some way to occupy us until ME3 and they just went with this.

Why is the Reaper so small? Because we needed to be able to fight it on foot.

[Hyper Cutter]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

Maybe it was being built to replace Sovereign ?

That's probably the case.

It's also possible that killing a Reaper proves a race's worthiness to "ascend" and join their ranks, and humans were the ones who offed Sovereign...

[Zan51]

I don't think the Protheans got that option from descriptions of what happened in the Beacons... Yet apparently they were chosen to be a reaper, according to EDI's suppositions.