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[foratoba]

Edited by Tarmack

Modifié par Tarmack, 30 août 2010 - 03:39 .

[Rogue Unit]

foratoba wrote...

Edited by Tarmack

I like the pink underwear.

Modifié par Tarmack, 30 août 2010 - 03:39 .

[Shadow_broker]

MariSkep wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1. this sounds like the most ****** erotic thing ever and if it makes it ingame it will be going too far

2.There's no real evidence alexander the great was bisexual, just speculation. (there's speculation that hitler was gay also) 

Side note: Greeks also embraced Relationships between young boys and men for artistic purposes, Their culture was disgusting

1) Dude, it's 2010. You don't like two dudes kissing, suck it the **** up. 
2) Yes he was. Would you call classifying Henry V as straight just speculation?
3)So was and is every other culture on the planet. It doesn't mean they didn't have some redeeming qualities and it doesn't dismiss the overall point.

1.Dude it's 2010 and not everyone has to believe what you believe, I have the right to my opinion and i think that it's going to far by including something along the lines of what he described due to gay gamers being a minority and a large group of average gamers don't support ****** friendly beliefs
2.No he probaly  wasn't. There is no real evidence to prove otherwise
3.Not every culture on the planet embraces relationships between young boys and men, Never said it dismissed the overall point just said it on a side note pointing out that greek culture had flaws within it's system

[exoproto]

Shadow_broker wrote...

People aren't as open to S/S romance as normal romance, If i saw this in my game i would probaly not finish it, Or start over. I'm not stating it's fair i'm stating i have a problem with it as a straight gamer and would prefer if they kept gay romances abit more toned down till it's more socially accepted in the modern world

It depends on what kind of people you're talking about. Other parts of the world are far more tolerant than America, if that's what you're trying to insinuate. Now here's the question: If the romance was there but you never saw it because you, as the player, never triggered it, would you just stop playing simply because it's there?

If your answer is no, then that's understandable because some people feel uncomfortable in such situations. No harm done.

If your answer is yes, then.. I'm done here.

Modifié par exoproto, 30 août 2010 - 03:33 .

[Shadow_broker]

exoproto wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

People aren't as open to S/S romance as normal romance, If i saw this in my game i would probaly not finish it, Or start over. I'm not stating it's fair i'm stating i have a problem with it as a straight gamer and would prefer if they kept gay romances abit more toned down till it's more socially accepted in the modern world

It depends on what kind of people you're talking about. Other parts of the world are far more tolerant than America, if that's what you're trying to insinuate. Now here's the question: If the romance was there but you never saw it because you, as the player, never triggered it, would you just stop playing simply because it's there?

If your answer if no, then that's understandable because some people feel uncomfortable in such situations. No harm done.

If your answer is yes, then.. I'm done here.

No is my answer
But seeing as zevran hitting on me in orignal dragon age happend on all 3 of my playthroughs unless i was a complete ass to him i expect the next gay romance to come up as well

Btw i do live in America but to the best of my knowledge that's where the majiorty of the gaming community lies. along with a few asian countries which i doubt is much more accepting of gay culture than us

Modifié par Shadow_broker, 30 août 2010 - 03:37 .

[oenis]

Shadow_broker wrote...


1. this sounds like the most ****** erotic thing ever and if it makes it ingame it will be going too far

2.There's no real evidence alexander the great was bisexual, just speculation. (there's speculation that hitler was gay also) 

Side note: Greeks also embraced Relationships between young boys and men for artistic purposes, Their culture was disgusting

ITS CALLED THE PARTHENON, you jackaninny. LOOK IT UP.

[exoproto]

Shadow_broker wrote...

No is my answer
But seeing as zevran hitting on me in orignal dragon age happend on all 3 of my playthroughs unless i was a complete ass to him i expect the next gay romance to come up as well

I wouldn't be so sure. Zevran did just that simply because it's part of his personality; he's a shameless flirt. I honestly doubt we're going to have an LI with a personality identical to Zevran's. If anything, it's probably going to be much like Leliana's where the romance only triggers if you choose a specific dialogue choice that was blatantly a flirt.

Fear not, however, with the new icons with the dialogue wheel you shouldn't have to worry about accidentally starting a romance with someone of your own sex.

Modifié par exoproto, 30 août 2010 - 03:46 .

[Shadow_broker]

oenis wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...


1. this sounds like the most ****** erotic thing ever and if it makes it ingame it will be going too far

2.There's no real evidence alexander the great was bisexual, just speculation. (there's speculation that hitler was gay also) 

Side note: Greeks also embraced Relationships between young boys and men for artistic purposes, Their culture was disgusting

ITS CALLED THE PARTHENON, you jackaninny. LOOK IT UP.

looked it up, don't see you point it's just a temple (i only skimmed page though)

BTW I'm very insulted the majiorty of Male/male romance community is basically flaming me for having a diffrent opinion or saying to ignore me. This is not a support thread it's a discussion thread meaning that people who oppose elements of male male romance may state their opinions to bioware too
I hate being called ignorant on this subject when people on the other side of the arguement always Resort to namecalling among other things

[CrookedAsylum]

Shadow_broker wrote...

exoproto wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

People aren't as open to S/S romance as normal romance, If i saw this in my game i would probaly not finish it, Or start over. I'm not stating it's fair i'm stating i have a problem with it as a straight gamer and would prefer if they kept gay romances abit more toned down till it's more socially accepted in the modern world

It depends on what kind of people you're talking about. Other parts of the world are far more tolerant than America, if that's what you're trying to insinuate. Now here's the question: If the romance was there but you never saw it because you, as the player, never triggered it, would you just stop playing simply because it's there?

If your answer if no, then that's understandable because some people feel uncomfortable in such situations. No harm done.

If your answer is yes, then.. I'm done here.

No is my answer
But seeing as zevran hitting on me in orignal dragon age happend on all 3 of my playthroughs unless i was a complete ass to him i expect the next gay romance to come up as well

Btw i do live in America but to the best of my knowledge that's where the majiorty of the gaming community lies. along with a few asian countries which i doubt is much more accepting of gay culture than us

Obviously you know very little of Japan. And by 'us' I hope you're not referring to me.

[Shadow_broker]

MariSkep wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1. this sounds like the most ****** erotic thing ever and if it makes it ingame it will be going too far

2.There's no real evidence alexander the great was bisexual, just speculation. (there's speculation that hitler was gay also) 

Side note: Greeks also embraced Relationships between young boys and men for artistic purposes, Their culture was disgusting

1) Dude, it's 2010. You don't like two dudes kissing, suck it the **** up. 
2) Yes he was. Would you call classifying Henry V as straight just speculation?
3)So was and is every other culture on the planet. It doesn't mean they didn't have some redeeming qualities and it doesn't dismiss the overall point.

1.Dude it's 2010 and not everyone has to believe what you believe, I have the right to my opinion and i think that it's going to far by including something along the lines of what he described due to gay gamers being a minority and a large group of average gamers don't support ****** friendly beliefs
2.No he probaly  wasn't. There is no real evidence to prove otherwise
3.Not every culture on the planet embraces relationships between young boys and men, Never said it dismissed the overall point just said it on a side note pointing out that greek culture had flaws within it's system

1)Here's a straw. Guess what I'm about to say.
2)No real evidence to say Henry V was straight either. Out of curiosity what would you consider evidence for someone's sexuality?
3)No you were just trying to paint homosexuality as pedophilic in nature. Totally different. Right.

1.most likley an insult to my person and not related to arguement
2. We have strong evidence to support alex was married to 2 women, i consider that sufficent to a person nature of sexuality
3. You're going too far by saying that, I in no way meant to imply Homosexuals were related to pedophiles in anyway, I was pointing out the flaws of greek culture nothing more
It was a side note not related to my other two arguements in otherwords

[oenis]

Shadow_broker wrote...

oenis wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...


1. this sounds like the most ****** erotic thing ever and if it makes it ingame it will be going too far

2.There's no real evidence alexander the great was bisexual, just speculation. (there's speculation that hitler was gay also) 

Side note: Greeks also embraced Relationships between young boys and men for artistic purposes, Their culture was disgusting

ITS CALLED THE PARTHENON, you jackaninny. LOOK IT UP.

looked it up, don't see you point it's just a temple (i only skimmed page though)

BTW I'm very insulted the majiorty of Male/male romance community is basically flaming me for having a diffrent opinion or saying to ignore me. This is not a support thread it's a discussion thread meaning that people who oppose elements of male male romance may state their opinions to bioware too
I hate being called ignorant on this subject when people on the other side of the arguement always Resort to namecalling among other things

Oh yes, the Parthenon was only the greatest triumph of art, architecture and spirituality to arguably grace the ancient world. The Greeks also pioneered democracy.

But they were gay friendly, and boys kissing other boys is icky, therefore their culture was disgusting. 

[Shadow_broker]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

exoproto wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

People aren't as open to S/S romance as normal romance, If i saw this in my game i would probaly not finish it, Or start over. I'm not stating it's fair i'm stating i have a problem with it as a straight gamer and would prefer if they kept gay romances abit more toned down till it's more socially accepted in the modern world

It depends on what kind of people you're talking about. Other parts of the world are far more tolerant than America, if that's what you're trying to insinuate. Now here's the question: If the romance was there but you never saw it because you, as the player, never triggered it, would you just stop playing simply because it's there?

If your answer if no, then that's understandable because some people feel uncomfortable in such situations. No harm done.

If your answer is yes, then.. I'm done here.

No is my answer
But seeing as zevran hitting on me in orignal dragon age happend on all 3 of my playthroughs unless i was a complete ass to him i expect the next gay romance to come up as well

Btw i do live in America but to the best of my knowledge that's where the majiorty of the gaming community lies. along with a few asian countries which i doubt is much more accepting of gay culture than us

Obviously you know very little of Japan. And by 'us' I hope you're not referring to me.

Im referring to americans in general
I do not know much of japan or asian culture in general for that matter, But i'm pretty sure the largest asian country China is very against Homosexual romance (correct me if i'm wrong)

[Rogue Unit]

looked it up, don't see you point it's just a temple (i only skimmed page though)

BTW I'm very insulted the majiorty of Male/male romance community is basically flaming me for having a diffrent opinion or saying to ignore me. This is not a support thread it's a discussion thread meaning that people who oppose elements of male male romance may state their opinions to bioware too
I hate being called ignorant on this subject when people on the other side of the arguement always Resort to namecalling among other things

I learned the hard way that saying anything against homsexuality makes you either a troll, ignorant and/or immature child, or a homophobe.

[realyoungjeezy]

shootist70 wrote...

Given Dragon Age's setting there's a great s/s character model to use that moves away from lousy stereotypes. I mentioned this briefly on the s/s romance thread on the ME forums, but it's worth repeating here, and it's basically the concept of the 'shield brother.'

The ancient Greeks had a fierce warrior culture that didn't shy away from homosexuality. Their equivalent of the bible was all about warrior heroes, not gentle prophets. They worshipped the perfect warrior form so much that it became a part of their sexuality. It reached its peak with the elite Theban Sacred Band, who were an unbeatable hoplite phalanx comprised purely of 150 pairs of gay lovers. These guys swore oaths to defend their lover to the death, over the tomb of Iolaos (who was the mythical gay lover of Hercules). And it worked, they beat the Spartans every time they went up against them, and were only finally defeated after a cavalry charge led by history's most famous bisexual warrior, Alexander the Great.

Personally I think that sort of shield-brother/warrior character would be a great s/s romance option, and one that's rooted deeply in western historical culture.

You need to read your Greek history some more.

[Riona45]

exoproto wrote...

Anyways, I also agree with a gruff warrior type. I know I don't want a mage LI, that's for sure. For some reason it just sounds a little.. cliche maybe?

I don't think of it that way (although mind you, I am a straight female gamer who plays mostly women), because in my experience available love interests are rarely mages.

[upsettingshorts]

Greek and Roman sexual practices couldn't be less relevant.

Factors that matter:
1) The sexuality of the universe they're building. Because it is a creative work of fiction.
2) Contemporary popular opinion. Because no game exists in a vacuum and they have to cater to as broad an audience as possible.
3) Development resources. Because there are limitations to the medium, namely finances and time, that have to be managed towards priorities.

The balance of those factors determine how the love interests operate in any game.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 août 2010 - 03:55 .

[Riona45]

Shadow_broker wrote...


But seeing as zevran hitting on me in orignal dragon age happend on all 3 of my playthroughs unless i was a complete ass to him i expect the next gay romance to come up as well

I guess you never figured out that you didn't have to even accept him into your band?  Wow...

Anyway, it is canon that Thedas has gay people in it, and the people developing the setting haven't ignored them, either.  If you want to keep playing DA games, you'll have to deal with this fact.

Modifié par Riona45, 30 août 2010 - 03:55 .

[Shadow_broker]

oenis wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

oenis wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...


1. this sounds like the most ****** erotic thing ever and if it makes it ingame it will be going too far

2.There's no real evidence alexander the great was bisexual, just speculation. (there's speculation that hitler was gay also) 

Side note: Greeks also embraced Relationships between young boys and men for artistic purposes, Their culture was disgusting

ITS CALLED THE PARTHENON, you jackaninny. LOOK IT UP.

looked it up, don't see you point it's just a temple (i only skimmed page though)

BTW I'm very insulted the majiorty of Male/male romance community is basically flaming me for having a diffrent opinion or saying to ignore me. This is not a support thread it's a discussion thread meaning that people who oppose elements of male male romance may state their opinions to bioware too
I hate being called ignorant on this subject when people on the other side of the arguement always Resort to namecalling among other things

Oh yes, the Parthenon was only the greatest triumph of art, architecture and spirituality to arguably grace the ancient world. The Greeks also pioneered democracy.

But they were gay friendly, and boys kissing other boys is icky, therefore their culture was disgusting. 

Aspects of their culture were disgusting, Did the Parthenon actually have any aspects of pedophiles in it? I believe it was art dedicated to athena no older men touching young boys were involved in the making, no? Making it a completley diffrent subject matter
In this Modern age many cultures have done both great and horryfying things in retrospect and to ignore them is silly IMO
Early america for example fully embraced slavery which i find horrid as an african american but today has become a pinnicale of equal rights and freedoms. but that dosen't make up for the wrongs they did

[exoproto]

Riona45 wrote...

exoproto wrote...

Anyways, I also agree with a gruff warrior type. I know I don't want a mage LI, that's for sure. For some reason it just sounds a little.. cliche maybe?

I don't think of it that way (although mind you, I am a straight female gamer who plays mostly women), because in my experience available love interests are rarely mages.

I completely understand. I think it's just  the idea that sounds a little.. "eh." for me.  I mean, if they incorporate it, then so be it! I'll probably try it out since I never have before! I just hope they make it a bit more tasteful than your average shy mage who makes you want to pinch his or her cheeks.

[oenis]

realyoungjeezy wrote...

You need to read your Greek history some more.

History lesson for you: the Spartans (the uber-men featured in 300 and GREEKS) encouraged homosexuality between young soldiers and their older mentors. This close relationship continued until men were married, and it was common practice for men to cut their wives hair, make them wear male clothes and use other techniques to disguise their femininity until they got used to the woman parts. Extra marital affairs between men were only frowned upon because the ultimate service to the State was to produce children and two men cannot do so..

[realyoungjeezy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Greek and Roman sexual practices couldn't be less relevant.

Factors that matter:
1) The sexuality of the universe they're building. Because it is a creative work of fiction.
2) Contemporary popular opinion. Because no game exists in a vacuum and they have to cater to as broad an audience as possible.
3) Development resources. Because there are limitations to the medium, namely finances and time, that have to be managed towards priorities.

The balance of those factors determine how the love interests operate in any game.

that's why romance options should stay bisexual.

[Shadow_broker]

Riona45 wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...


But seeing as zevran hitting on me in orignal dragon age happend on all 3 of my playthroughs unless i was a complete ass to him i expect the next gay romance to come up as well

I guess you never figured out that you didn't have to even accept him into your band?  Wow...

Anyway, it is canon that Thedas has gay people in it, and the people developing the setting haven't ignored them, either.  If you want to keep playing DA games, you'll have to deal with this fact.

He's the only rogue who dosen't use the crappy bow
I needed him for gameplay purposes and to kill a intresting character purley due to his orientation is silly to me although i did not like his pushy Gay personality i found his Antivan crow stories intresting

I also i'm fine with the fact that thedas has gays in it, i just think some things can go too far and felt in a discusion thread i should let my voice be heard