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fongiel24 wrote...


Threesomes are kinda like monkey butlers. Awesome in theory, less awesome in practice. I realize Shepard may have gotten some upgrades, but he still only has one set of everything to deal with Miranda and Kasumi's combined two sets of everything. The numbers don't work so well.



Obviously you can't be everywhere at once. :whistle:  But there's some interesting uses for mass effect fields in this...err...field.

Ok, I'm just going to stop here.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 31 août 2010 - 06:37 .


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Kasumi's too busy washing her cloak on Jacob's abs to notice Shepard. As for the whole men not wanting an assertive woman, not me. I like a woman that knows what she wants. It's the indecisive women that drive me bunkers. Side note: You people are cruel. I just said I'm starving and I don't have any access too food for a few hours and you all just keep posting delectable dishes. Damn you all! :pinched:

Edit:

@Count Viceroy

You've been chatting with Mordin again haven't you :D

Modifié par Darc_Requiem, 31 août 2010 - 06:42 .


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fongiel24 wrote...

Threesomes are kinda like monkey butlers. Awesome in theory, less awesome in practice.


Ur doin it rong then ;)

*ahem*

I'm told anyways... :whistle:

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The trick is to have something to occupy your hands when you're not otherwise engaged. Like a cigarette, joint, wine glass, Miranda's ass, etc.

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What has this thread become.

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BHRamsay wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Then she decides she wants to have sex with you where the whole crew can see. Seriously walk around Normandy. There are windows to the engine room all over the ship. Shepard has a bed in his quarters, she has bed in hers but she wants the whole ship to know . I like Kasumi's comments on the Shepard/Lawson hook up.


Oh God. Not this sh*t again.

Would people get over the whole engine room thing already. An assertive woman wants to have sex with you in a well lit place and no one can handle it, ooh, oh no, exhibitionism.

Listen to me, if I want to take you into the engine room and bang you I'm damn well going to take you into the engine room and bang you. I don't have to explain jack sh*t. I'm a woman, I don't need a reason. It doesn't have to make any kind of sense whatsoever. If I tell you to strip and wait for me in an ice cream parlor supply closet with pudding and a top hat I expect you to be there. No questions. Get on the floor. Make sure your top hat doesn't fall off. No talking.


yes ma'am understood.


I dated someone like this once... goodtimes, goodtimes


I know, and then when everyone else is around she has this hot smile aswell! fkn love it.

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 01 septembre 2010 - 10:15 .


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Nightwriter wrote...

What has this thread become.


It has fulfilled its destiny....

Modifié par didymos1120, 01 septembre 2010 - 10:30 .


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tommyt_1994 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I see a lot of people bring up that line as evidence that Jacob is a horrible romance option. I interpreted the line differently. More like "Miranda is high maintenance and I'm not the man who's going to deal with that ****."

This. Jacob says she requires a better man then him. He's saying that Miranda is super high maintenance and that he couldn't ever fulfill that. he didn't say "she deserves a better man than I" like I see people quoting all over the place.


Bump/This^

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Bravo, you found it!

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Oh no. It has returned.

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demersel wrote...

True. Jacob has no such interest. But screenwriters of the game on the other hand... It is just a plot device to further compliment and engourage the player into feeling uniqe, awsome, powerful, handsome, caring, bad-ass or whatever. And is one of the build ups for miranda romance. Jocob is one of the most "wounded" characters in that regard. In ME1 - Kaidan was a girl-toy. I'm sorry but that what he was. In ME2 they tried to introduce this Bromance thing. Jocob is in the game not so much for Femsheps, (that's what Thane is there for. sic!), but more so for male sheps. To be his buddy. Your COOL  friend that that thinks you're more awsome than he is and constantly tells you about it.. 

IMHO they overdid it a bit.


This is what I always thought as well.  The fact they didn't care enough about femShep to remove the line/record a different line for his romance is just lazy/oversight. 

It would be rather insulting though to femShep, but guys say stupid things at times, just the way we are. :P  Would have worked great actually if a femShep romancing him could react to it.

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It is funny that Jacob's subtle insult (or, at least, somewhat wounding insight into Miranda's character) is so often misinterpreted.



The fact they didn't care enough about femShep to remove the line/record a different line for his romance is just lazy/oversight.




If anything, the line is a bigger problem for manShep (i.e. "This woman is a basketcase of self-obsession and feelings of inadequacy imposed upon herself and everything around her. Enjoy her."

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Casuist wrote...

It is funny that Jacob's subtle insult (or, at least, somewhat wounding insight into Miranda's character) is so often misinterpreted.


It's not a misinterpretation.

You may have interpreted it one way, and I may have interpreted it another, but neither of our interpretations are false just because they contradict the other.

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Since the interpretations are mutually exclusive, one of them is a misinterpretation. Given what we know about Miranda's character, the context of the comment (Jacob clearly having put the past behind him, his pointing out her "selective" memory) and the careful way he selects and emphasizes the word "requires," my interpretation seems more likely than the writers meaning "I'm so lame and not good enough." It would be massively out of character for Jacob to say anything of the sort, as much as it might please a number of people on these forums.

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You shouldn't think of it like "one is right and one is wrong". There are numerous situations where BioWare intentionally leaves something open to interpretation. The fact that some people argue that the ME1 relationships are over and some argue they are not is proof of this - and those two answers are also mutually exclusive.

That said, it's not particularly out of character for Jacob.

That said, Jacob wouldn't throw in an insult after a meaningful look between him and Miranda. Doesn't fit the tone of the scene.

That said, there are numerous other occasions where Jacob expresses bitterness and hurt feelings about Miranda.

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Oh, long time no see.

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Nightwriter wrote...

You shouldn't think of it like "one is right and one is wrong". There are numerous situations where BioWare intentionally leaves something open to interpretation. The fact that some people argue that the ME1 relationships are over and some argue they are not is proof of this - and those two answers are also mutually exclusive.

That said, it's not particularly out of character for Jacob.

That said, Jacob wouldn't throw in an insult after a meaningful look between him and Miranda. Doesn't fit the tone of the scene.

That said, there are numerous other occasions where Jacob expresses bitterness and hurt feelings about Miranda.



Shepard's ME1 romance is a bad example. Because that relationship involves Shepard, and Shepard has many faces, pun intended. So it is deliberate writing there to let some Shepard move on, and some stay faithful.

That said, I don't deny that at times it does look like the writer in charge, right in the middle of his creative flux, suddenly engaged the handbrakes and said to himself "Deadlines! Deadlines! Enough with this stuff, let's leave it as is - a mystery and food for fanfic."

That said, outside of Shepard's control in-game there is only one casuality, and only one possible sequence of events, which we here can deduce and discuss, in spite of the writers' indifference about the number of plot holes they keep cooking.

That said, I personally don't think there was a faulty party guilty of what happened to Jacob&Miranda relationship.

That said, I think it was Jacob who first said "Maybe we should take a break."

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 octobre 2010 - 12:11 .


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Nah, I doubt it.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

That said, I personally don't think there was a faulty party guilty of what happened to Jacob&Miranda relationship.

That said, I think it was Jacob who first said "Maybe we should take a break."


This make sense, since Jacob is the only other character able to dump Shepard depending of your choices when persuing his LI (the other is Jack).

After his loyalty mission you could ask him about the fate of his father and he reply that is better to let go.
Some time later you can talk with him again about his father and depending the way you question him, he tells femShep to bug off if you use the nice option.
If you use the ruthless option he tells you to bug off and f*** off. LOL

There isn't no more the "I want to talk to you" option on the wheel after this.

Jacob - and Miranda - have strong personality, feelings and opinions, so it's no surprise that the relationship between them fall apart at some point.
You need a lot of talk and understanding when dealing with people like them.

And interest by the other side, of course.

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I'm glad this thread popped up again after so many months. I always took Jacob's remark as a sign of Miranda being a hypercritical person, unconsciously treating Jacob in a condescending manner (she's a few years older than him and did you know she's "perfect"?)

I now prefer to interpret this exchange as Jacob realizing he's not compatible with her and not because he is somehow unworthy.

Modifié par Flies_by_Handles, 15 octobre 2010 - 12:40 .


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I'm not too sure what to make of Miranda/Jacob's pairing, since if you opt for Jacob to lead a fire team she's so ****y (for want of a better term) about it. I'm not sure if she was really addressing Jacob or Shephard's decision though.

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I think Jacob becoming Miranda's subordinate totally ruined their relationship.

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Yikes. Am I the only one who took the saying as a basic platitude? You know, kind of like the 'It's not you, it's me' thing (when, let's be honest here, it's usually the 'you'). I mean if someone asks you about a past relationship, do you start ranting about all the fights you had and how terrible they are and how you would love to strangle them with their own intestines, or do you say "Yeah you know. It <i>just didn't work out</i>." I really don't think he meant it as insulting at all. At best, just a platitude to end the discussion, at worst a subtle jab at Miranda. I have no idea where people are getting this 'insulting shep' thing from.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

What has this thread become.


It has fulfilled its destiny....



Awwww, that would have been such a nice last post. :crying:


Zulu_DFA wrote...

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I see a lot of people bring up that line as evidence that Jacob is a horrible romance option. I interpreted the line differently. More like "Miranda is high maintenance and I'm not the man who's going to deal with that ****."

This. Jacob says she requires a better man then him. He's saying that Miranda is super high maintenance and that he couldn't ever fulfill that. he didn't say "she deserves a better man than I" like I see people quoting all over the place.


Bump/This^


Is that why she sticks to the maintenance section of engineering. :)

Oh btw, why is she high maintenance? The shadow broker knows otherwise

SB Dossier of Miranda Lawson: Personal Correspondence 4:

Inter-Relay Text Chat
Location: Omega
To: LawBringerSR2
From: NoGames411
20:26 NG: [UPLOADING]
20:27 NG: Medical
21:02 LB: Looks clean.
21:02 NG: Yes.
21:02 LB: Apartment block D, #221 21:30
21:03 NG: Anything I should
21:03 LB: [DISCONNECT]
Thank you for connecting to iPartner Connections!



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brfritos wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

That said, I personally don't think there was a faulty party guilty of what happened to Jacob&Miranda relationship.

That said, I think it was Jacob who first said "Maybe we should take a break."


This make sense, since Jacob is the only other character able to dump Shepard depending of your choices when persuing his LI (the other is Jack).

After his loyalty mission you could ask him about the fate of his father and he reply that is better to let go.
Some time later you can talk with him again about his father and depending the way you question him, he tells femShep to bug off if you use the nice option.
If you use the ruthless option he tells you to bug off and f*** off. LOL

There isn't no more the "I want to talk to you" option on the wheel after this.


Wow, I didn't know that. Why would they withraw this from the interaction with ManShep? I mean, to screw up that bro-hug?

All right, I will play ME2 again and Jacob won't die this time.