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[Pacifien]

There's complicated feelings between Jacob and Miranda for sure. Considering the two of them, I'd say it was a clash of personality that prevented any serious romance between the two, but that doesn't mean they don't care for each other in some way. Not that I've played Mass Effect Galaxy, but I imagine the experience was enough to provide some connection between the two. Plus they worked together for Project Lazarus for a couple years. They know each other.

If you do pursue the romance with Jacob, it's evident he's not one for dwelling on past bull**** and doesn't like the games people can play during the buildup phase of a romance. If Shepard's interested, then be interested and don't string him along. I doubt Miranda was ever direct with Jacob. She is with a male Shepard, but people tend to react differently to different romantic partners.

Anyway, a romance doesn't really get into gear until Shepard pursues it after Jacob's loyalty mission. Which means you've pursued it after his comment. Which means he really can't be insulting Shepard when he makes a comment like that about Miranda and then Shepard decides she still wants to have a romance. What's he going to say at that point? "But if I'm not good enough for Miranda, why do you think I'm good enough for you?" That's a pretty insecure way to respond to Shepard's advances.

[upsettingshorts]

As a hardcore Age of Sail geek, I like to think Jacob chose the word "prize" for good reason, having been a corsair (essentially a space privateer).

In the Age of Sail, if you captured an enemy ship in battle that was basically the pinnacle of glory and success. Not only did you victory in the battle confirm your tactical prowess and bravery of your crew, the prize money you received from selling the ship back at port was significant and the lifeblood of your career. These captured ships were referred to as prizes.

But then, I'm an Age of Sail geek and likely just reading into it.

"For England, for home, and for the prize!" - Captain Jack Aubrey (Russel Crowe) in Master & Commander

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 août 2010 - 02:39 .

[demersel]

He's no leader material, that's for sure.

[Hex of Hell]

Tighue wrote...

Absolutely. My initial reaction
was: "Nice. So what does that make me?" According to youtube, the
answer is a prize at the bottom of a cereal box. Or something along
those lines.

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That made me laugh. The second he said that, that was my exact response. "So what does that make me?!" [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] Again, I felt like his silver medal.

Mondo47 wrote...

Ah, I wasn't offended or anything at least. It's a good question because it's come up a few times, so there's something to it. The line is most likely the way it is to clumsily fit for Sheps of either gender, and the various interpretations are really just down to the individual, but at the end of the day, this is Jacob "The Priiize" Taylor here - saying things the right way... it ain't really his forte, is it?

You're probably right. He's probably just dumb when it comes to talking to women, that could also be part of why he wasn't the right man for Miranda. Lousy Jacob... why did he have to be my only human option?

[Mondo47]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

In the Age of Sail, if you captured an enemy ship in battle that was basically the pinnacle of glory and success. Not only did you victory in the battle confirm your tactical prowess and bravery of your crew, the prize money you received from selling the ship back at port was significant and the lifeblood of your career. These captured ships were referred to as prizes.

I like to poke fun at the line as much as the next person here, but in comparison to some of the sh*t people have said to me before trying to get me in bed... being called "The Priiize" isn't all that bad, really

[upsettingshorts]

The visual is especially amusing since prizes were boarded.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 août 2010 - 02:45 .

[demersel]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

As a hardcore Age of Sail geek, I like to think Jacob chose the word "prize" for good reason, having been a corsair (essentially a space privateer).

In the Age of Sail, if you captured an enemy ship in battle that was basically the pinnacle of glory and success. Not only did you victory in the battle confirm your tactical prowess and bravery of your crew, the prize money you received from selling the ship back at port was significant and the lifeblood of your career. These captured ships were referred to as prizes.

But then, I'm an Age of Sail geek and likely just reading into it.

"For England, for home, and for the prize!" - Captain Jack Aubrey (Russel Crowe) in Master & Commander

That's not only Age of Sail. It's common sailing term. To be taken a prize. And yes he was a corsair (shep: what does a corsair means? Really? The man/woman who can recite tennysson and yeats from the top of their mind doesn't know what a corsaire is???)  and yes it fits his back story, sort of, but it is still lame.

[Pacifien]

Captain Hex wrote...
I get that nobody else interpreted it this way and I will simply go back to silently thinking Jacob is an inadvertent idiot. I wasn't trying to offend anyone or anything.

You're definitely not alone in interpreting Jacob's line that way. I've heard it mentioned frequently by the people who went with the other romance options. I can understand that kind of interpretation, but I personally didn't dwell on it for reasons that I've described in other posts on this thread.

Jacob is a rather polarizing character on these forums, I think. Interesting considering the initial posts about the character focused on him being rather boring. Then "the priiize" meme started and he entered cult status. His supporters come out strong because there was a time when it seemed he had none.

Modifié par Pacifien, 29 août 2010 - 02:46 .

[Mondo47]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The visual is especially amusing since prizes were boarded.

That's closer to some of the lines I've heard over the years...

Jacob's probably too much of a gentleman for me

[upsettingshorts]

demersel wrote...
That's not only Age of Sail. It's common sailing term. To be taken a prize. And yes he was a corsair (shep: what does a corsair means? Really? The man/woman who can recite tennysson and yeats from the top of their mind doesn't know what a corsaire is???)  and yes it fits his back story, sort of, but it is still lame.

Yeah, it was just extremely common then.  The height of the use of the term.  Not too many ships were boarded and captured during the battles of World War II for instance.  They either sank - relatively uncommon during battle in the Age of Sail - or fled, something the wind might not have allowed before the age of steam power.

And the way I always read the corsair question to Jacob was trying to understand what it meant in the context Jacob was using it.   Corsair just seems to be the French version of privateer.  Letters of marque and all.

Edit: I really hope a post-Shepard Mass Effect game lets players be a corsair/privateer.  MMO, RPG, etc.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 août 2010 - 02:54 .

[demersel]

This is sad. I kind of like Jacob as a character. Regardless.

[upsettingshorts]

Roughly translated out of sailor speak it means, "valuable vessel of desire." With a little poetic license on my part, heh.

Which is why I think his background as a corsair modifies what he means slightly, whereas a normal person saying prize likely just means "reward" or "gift."

But like I said, I geek out over sailing ship stuff so take that with a grain of salt.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 août 2010 - 02:57 .

[demersel]

referring to women as prize is very common. It is a huge clishe in literature - comes out derectly from medivel novels. And that comes form ancient arabic poetry.

[Pacifien]

demersel wrote...
referring to women as prize is very common. It is a huge clishe in literature - comes out derectly from medivel novels. And that comes form ancient arabic poetry.

Probably wouldn't fly with me no matter its illustrious history.

[demersel]

Pacifien wrote...

Probably wouldn't fly with me no matter its illustrious history.

that is because it is so forced, and overused and overall artificial.Sadly - Jacob is just an example of plain lazy writing, crafting a character using merket stratagy, and clishe guidelines.

"It's ALIVEEE!!!!" quote is apropriete.

Modifié par demersel, 29 août 2010 - 03:02 .

[Lewie]

demersel wrote...

This is sad. I kind of like Jacob as a character. Regardless.

He is a good character but i really do think the writers could have gave him a bit more than what they did. I think the fact he was just there like miranda from the start downplayed them. The missions to recruit people were wicked, a major part of the game and really put you into a little bit of their story.

[didymos1120]

demersel wrote...
shep: what does a corsair means? Really? The man/woman who can recite tennysson and yeats from the top of their mind doesn't know what a corsaire is???

Not not really. Shep doesn't ask what a corsair is in general.  Shep wants to know what the hell Jacob is talking about due to not being familiar with these very modern, semi-official Alliance people called "Corsairs".  Also, Shep only recognizes Tennyson.  It's Ash who does the reciting.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 août 2010 - 03:05 .

[demersel]

didymos1120 wrote...

Not not really. Shep doesn't ask what a corsair is in general.  Shep wants to know what the hell Jacob is talking about due to not being familiar with these very modern, semi-official Alliance people called "Corsairs".  Also, Shep only recognizes Tennyson.  It's Ash who does the reciting.

And what do you know? the very modern, semi-official Alliance people called "Corsairs" turn out to be exactly the same as the general well known corsairs. The very definition of the term )) 

Recognizing requers knowing. )

[demersel]

louise101 wrote...

He is a good character but i really do think the writers could have gave him a bit more than what they did. I think the fact he was just there like miranda from the start downplayed them. The missions to recruit people were wicked, a major part of the game and really put you into a little bit of their story.

Yes, Jacob and Miranda are downplayed (Not so much miranda - she gets plenty of introduction, and jacob you just sorta run into him) I liked his loyalty though. That was a grim.

[upsettingshorts]

Maybe Shepard didn't know the Alliance had corsairs. Since they're you know, kinda Black Ops. Jacob says if captured knowledge of them woulda been disavowed.



Or, more likely, it's to explain what Corsairs are to the player - not Shepard.

[demersel]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Or, more likely, it's to explain what Corsairs are to the player - not Shepard.

That. Lazy writing and plot devices.

[Lord Jaric]

louise101 wrote...

The fact that he said it though shows a bit of a wuss side to him, why should he care what miranda 'requires' anyway to the point he will openly say, its actually almost an admission, he is not enough or whatever.

Why is it when a man opens up, or doesn't act tough, he is called a wuss. There is nothing wussy about a honest man.

[upsettingshorts]

That's not really lazy writing. Definitely not a plot device. If anything it's underestimating the audience. Or estimating them properly, it would depend on how many people playing the game were familiar with what a corsair was in the first place.



Think about ME1, you can ask Anderson what his history is with Saren, but if you read the prequel book you already knew it. It's allowing players to access additional but not critical exposition if they choose.



...I feel like I have to defend a lot of things in ME1-2 that I might not even like just because the wrong/inaccurate terms are being used to describe them.

[Siansonea]

Did he really say "better man than I?". Hello, the proper grammar is "better man than me".