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[Siansonea]

Lord Jaric wrote...

louise101 wrote...

The fact that he said it though shows a bit of a wuss side to him, why should he care what miranda 'requires' anyway to the point he will openly say, its actually almost an admission, he is not enough or whatever.

Why is it when a man opens up, or doesn't act tough, he is called a wuss. There is nothing wussy about a honest man.

It's usually only adolescent males that make these remarks. Actual real-live women like guys who open up and don't act like macho jerks.

[demersel]

Siansonea II wrote...

Did he really say "better man than I?". Hello, the proper grammar is "better man than me".

Yep. He's aslo illiterate )))

[demersel]

Siansonea II wrote...

It's usually only adolescent males that make these remarks.

You forgot "insecure".

[Siansonea]

slimgrin wrote...

op is reading way too much into this. Jacob was being self deprecating, an admirable trait in moderation.

This. I always read the line as "Miranda doesn't think I'm good enough for her" or "Miranda is more trouble than she's worth".

[Siansonea]

demersel wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

It's usually only adolescent males that make these remarks.

You forgot "insecure".

Dang it! I knew I was forgetting something...

[demersel]

Siansonea II wrote...

Dang it! I knew I was forgetting something...

You again! I thought that ":D" was familiar.

[Hex of Hell]

Siansonea II wrote...

Did he really say "better man than I?". Hello, the proper grammar is "better man than me".

... I will assume you are joking. 

[ciaweth]

Uh. "Better than I" is correct.

[lazuli]

ciaweth wrote...
Uh. "Better than I" is correct.

It's contested.  "Than" could arguably be a conjunction or a preposition.  You're arguing for it being a conjunction.  Siansonea II was leaning towards preposition.


To get back on track, the line struck me as weird.  I avoid making him say it now, especially when my character is involved in a romance with him.  I can see both sides, though.

[didymos1120]

ciaweth wrote...

Uh. "Better than I" is correct.

So is "better than me", actually.  Or rather, people have been arguing about which one to use for centuries.  I expect they'll continue to do so for at least a few more.

[Sajuro]

Captain Hex wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I see a lot of people bring up that line as evidence that Jacob is a horrible romance option. I interpreted the line differently. More like "Miranda is high maintenance and I'm not the man who's going to deal with that ****."

Hmm, maybe. But it just didn't sound that way to me. I just finished that part right before I posted this so it's fresh in my mind. The mild outrage is what made me post in the first place. He just seemed so full of... regret almost. Miranda looked at him all sad and then he watched her go so thoughtfully and then said that. I felt like his silver medal.

or you might say the "second priiiiize"

[HTTP 404]

I dont think he honestly believes it. A demanding woman i used to date needed a better man than I to cater to her.



I think thats what Jacob meant when I heard him say that.

[Bugsie]

Dialogue doesn't require perfect grammar - the example always given is Al Jolson's the Jazz Singer where he says "You ain't seen nothin' yet!" now if you correct the grammar it turns out like this: "You have not heard anything yet.” Boring, flat, lacking impact. The way people talk is often lacking basic grammar, but it doesn't always offend the ears (just sometimes...)

So yes now back on track.....

I never took Jacobs line as offensive, until someone pointed out to me, I still wasn't offended - I think as someone said earlier, its smacks of lazy writing (or poor continuity) in regard to how it would sound to a male Shep vs a female Shep. One size writing doesn't fit all - and Bioware know this, otherwise there wouldnt be specific MShep/FShep dialogue in other parts of the game.

Modifié par Buggirl70, 29 août 2010 - 04:41 .

[didymos1120]

Buggirl70 wrote...
 One size writing doesn't fit all - and Bioware know this, otherwise their wouldnt be specific MShep/FShep dialogue in other parts of the game.

Up to a point.  They really do try to have as much one-size-fits-all dialogue as possible.  Especially with Shep.  There are very, very few lines that aren't word-for-word identical.  Only the romances differ greatly, and that's basically because they just didn't record the vast majority of M/Femshep lines for the dropped same-sex pairings.  What they did record of them, however, was also word-for-word identical.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 août 2010 - 04:46 .

[tommyt_1994]

Mondo47 wrote...

Captain Hex wrote...

Except that as a female I'm not her next potential suitor, I'm his next potential suitor. That's why I specified that the line sounds odd when playing as a female. As a male I don't think anything of it. If anything it could be a compliment in that he thinks I'm the better man. As a female though, it seemed like a rather poor choice of words if anything. I don't know of many women that if told by the current man in their lives that his ex requires a better man wouldn't wonder what he meant by that and wonder why they didn't. Shouldn't Shepard require the best?

It could just be that the line was hard to write with both a male and female Shepard in mind and so it can come off ambiguous. I was just wondering if anyone else took it the same way I did. I guess not.

Each to their own... all I'd say is that if the man in my life said his ex needed someone better than him because (and I'm being super-blunt here) she had issues of some kind, or was a total basketcase, or demanded twelve inches, I'd say "Hey, you might not have fit the bill for her, but you fit it for me." You can fit some people, not others - not being the right peg for the right hole doesn't make you bad - it just means you need to find an, uh, hole that fits you?

And hey, since Shep never has traumatic flashbacks to his/her unit getting nommed by thresher-maws, or discusses the hard time they had making friends as they grew up on a dozen different ships, or in a streetgang on Earth, or whatever past event helped form them as a hero, we can assume almost anyone can fit the bill for ol' Shep without needing to know much more than where to put it

Mondo. What you did there. I see it. Not bad. Pulled off inserting in a jack line that fit the convo. Was it intentional? Or has all your time in the Jack thread influenced you that heavily? . Not that that would be a bad thing of course.

[Bugsie]

didymos1120 wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...
 One size writing doesn't fit all - and Bioware know this, otherwise their wouldnt be specific MShep/FShep dialogue in other parts of the game.

Up to a point.  They really do try to have as much one-size-fits-all dialogue as possible.  Especially with Shep.  There are very, very few lines that aren't word-for-word identical.  Only the romances differ greatly, and that's basically because they just didn't record the vast majority of M/Femshep lines for the dropped same-sex pairings.  What they did record of them, however, was also word-for-word identical.

Yes fair point.  When I think about it there really isn't much outside of the romances that differs between the two, in fact only one really comes to mind - when the merc recruiter throws you a line about the strippers quarters being somewhere else (if you're playing a femShep).

[AresXX7]

I've read the previous reponses
and there are a lot of good ones

I wonder, though, about the context of the line, since he says it, after mentioning a "promise" that Miranda kept
but, not sure which one she meant

[ToGVita]

Pacifien wrote...

Jacob is a rather polarizing character on these forums, I think.

Honestly, I think this could be said of all the human characters - except maybe Kasumi.   I think we tend to be a bit quick to judge them when they say or do something we disagree with.   It's easier to make allowances for a differing opinion when it's coming from a Krogan!

For the OP - I raised my eyebrows at that line too, but given my previous statement, tried to give Jacob the benefit of the doubt. :innocent:  (haven't tried his romance yet, though!)

[Count Viceroy]

The priiiiice

[didymos1120]

Buggirl70 wrote...
 When I think about it there really isn't much outside of the romances that differs between the two, in fact only one really comes to mind - when the merc recruiter throws you a line about the strippers quarters being somewhere else (if you're playing a femShep).

Another one is if you let Garrus kneecap Harkin, and choose the lower-right option:  FemShep will say "You're lucky.  I wouldnt'a shot you in the leg..."  MShep says "You're gettin' off easy, Harkin."  Both VAs recorded both lines though,  so in a way it doesn't actually count.

[AdamNW]

Sorry, I don't romance ****ty characters so it didn't really affect me.



Also, I'm maleshep canon.

[didymos1120]

ToGVita wrote...
(haven't tried his romance yet, though!)

I had to do that damn thing so I could verify that all the recorded dialogue was in the game.  Not fun.  There's some (unintentionally) hilarious stuff in there, but so much of it just cringeworthy and annoying.  And it's not just Jacob's "fault".  FemShep wasn't done any favors with her material either.   I know some people honestly like it, but I'll be damned if I can understand why.

[didymos1120]

ShadowJ20 wrote...
In the book Twilight the word sour grapes was used.  Here's quote from the book.
[snip]

Son of a--- 

Don't ever do that again!