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[Logicality]

I saw a post in the old NWN2 boards around a year ago, by dunniteowl, saying that 1.24  is (was) in the works. Has this been cancelled?

[nicethugbert]

The Devs and The Pubs just stopped talking about it and moved on when Atari got sued. Who knows how the lawsuit will end and if The Devs and Pubs will come back to NWN2.

[Thorsson64]

IOW don't hold your breath.

[kamalpoe]

Officially it exists, somewhere. It's been mentioned by name in official posts. Will we ever see it? Depends on the lawsuit I think. I doubt there's any work being done on it while the lawsuit is on.

[c i p h e r]

What was supposed to be in that patch?

[dunniteowl]

The 1.24 patch is supposed to be pretty much nothing but bug fixes first and other features if/where possible. Pretty much it and it was pretty much supposed to be the Last Patch unless or until another expansion came out (which is clearly not going to happen at this point.)

dunniteowl

[Necroscope84]

I don't understand it, Obsidian can't work on NWN2 because of the lawsuit but Atari is able to start develop a Neverwinter nights online game with Cryptic? I thought that all D&D projects were on hold, I sure hope Wizard of the coast gets the rights away from Atari because an Atari/Cryptic NWN would be bad.

[Thorsson64]

Too late. It's looking more like it's a negotiating tool than anything else to me.

[NWN DM]

I sincerely doubt 1.24 will come out.

Even if it is 100% complete, it would still require all the approvals behind the scenes, etc... NWN2 is a 4+ year old game at this point.

Any returns coming from another patch will have diminished to the point where there is no business reason to sink more time/effort/money into it for Atari and Obsidian IMO.

It's not like they'll get another 10k sales because they released a patch. Now, if they'd release the equivalent of a NWN Platinum box in NA, that might generate some new income streams....

Modifié par NWN DM, 29 août 2010 - 08:15 .

[c i p h e r]

If they add more features, more sales is certainly possible.

[I_Raps]

Well, there is such a thing as "good will." Patch 1.24 wouldn't sell any more NWN2 but it would sell their other products.

[The Fred]

Anyway, if it's mostly bugfixes, it seems kinda stupid (and rather unfair) that it should be cancelled because of the lawsuit.

[dunniteowl]

Well, I imagine the primary issue is one of payment. At the opening of the lawsuit, I could easily see Atari pulling back, halting everything and then saying (clearly I am hypothesizing), "Well, let's not spend any more money until we figure this thing out. In the meantime, let's put everything D&D related on hold."

I agree, with the information and announcement about NWNO, there is a sort of disconnect between that and all D&D projects on hold or in limbo. Still, it might behoove us to gather as a group and ask politely if Atari can see fit to pony up for one last patch that, as far as we're aware, was already fairly well under way prior to the lawsuit.

It couldn't hurt. The worst that they could say would be, "No." In such circumstance, we'd be no worse off than before, right?

dunniteowl

[The Fred]

They can't really do any more to us than they've already done, anyway... ;-)

Still, if it's already done (or nearly done), it's just vindictive of them to prevent its release, IMO. Think of the players!

Modifié par The Fred, 30 août 2010 - 11:26 .

[c i p h e r]

Who do we ask and how do we ask?

[TheAges]

Interestingly enough, Dungeons & Dragons Online(Eberron Unlimited) still gets updated.



Can't remember if it was Atari or Hasbro that wanted to shut it down, but Turbine put up a fight as they were still making money off it.

[dunniteowl]

I'll send out some feelers. Sometimes being a moderator and Community Rep does have a perk or two. Lemme see what I can find out.

dno

[The Fred]

Atari have something of a bad reputation around here, particularly for liking to shut things down. I think the NWN1 Premium Modules were (apparently) taken off the market at their behest, there was all that trouble with the MoW download thingy, and now it wouldn't surprise me if they get the blame for preventing new NWN2 patches (even if it *isn't* their fault). Personally, I think it'd do their reputation a world of good to look magnaminous by saying "hey, no hard feelings, have your v1.24 'cos we're actually nice people". Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, though.

[BardKesnit]

The Fred wrote...

Atari have something of a bad reputation around here, particularly for liking to shut things down. I think the NWN1 Premium Modules were (apparently) taken off the market at their behest, there was all that trouble with the MoW download thingy, and now it wouldn't surprise me if they get the blame for preventing new NWN2 patches (even if it *isn't* their fault). Personally, I think it'd do their reputation a world of good to look magnaminous by saying "hey, no hard feelings, have your v1.24 'cos we're actually nice people". Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, though.

In all honesty, I'm not sure Atari could do that if they wanted to. They are (as far as I know) still in court with Hasbro over the D&D licence. I'd be surprised if Hasbro would let Atari do anything with the licence, especially since the dispute involves Atari selling it's European operations to Namco-bandi (a Hasbro competetor) and not reassuring Hasbro that NB is not getting access to Hasbro's propriatary information.

[dunniteowl]

BardKesnit wrote...

The Fred wrote...

Atari have something of a bad reputation around here, particularly for liking to shut things down. I think the NWN1 Premium Modules were (apparently) taken off the market at their behest, there was all that trouble with the MoW download thingy, and now it wouldn't surprise me if they get the blame for preventing new NWN2 patches (even if it *isn't* their fault). Personally, I think it'd do their reputation a world of good to look magnaminous by saying "hey, no hard feelings, have your v1.24 'cos we're actually nice people". Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, though.

In all honesty, I'm not sure Atari could do that if they wanted to. They are (as far as I know) still in court with Hasbro over the D&D licence. I'd be surprised if Hasbro would let Atari do anything with the licence, especially since the dispute involves Atari selling it's European operations to Namco-bandi (a Hasbro competetor) and not reassuring Hasbro that NB is not getting access to Hasbro's propriatary information.

See the highlighted portion of your statement.  This is all being discussed in light of the announcement by Atari of their upcoming MMO (I know, I know, OMG [Online Mini-Game]) where it is pretty clear -- at least according to the interviews and information available that Atari is doing this with the oversight of WotC, which just can't happen unless Hasbro and Atari are, for some reason, not fighting any more over the license -- unless Atari somehow managed to pull a rabbit out of their hat.

Otherwise, you could be saying something I've said several dozen times on these and the old forums since the lawsuit was filed back in December of 2009.

Just figured you should be aware of the overall context.

dunniteowl

Modifié par dunniteowl, 01 septembre 2010 - 11:52 .

[Aathis]

Where can I find info on the lawsuit you are talking about?

[dunniteowl]

I can't help but sound snarky, but, there's this new thing on the internets called Google... you can type in Hasbro Atari lawsuit and come up with pretty much everything you need to know about the current situation as we know it to be.



I would be less snarky if you could hear my voice and know I am just joshing you to some degree. However, I cannot readily locate the links necessary to bring you up to speed without googling my own self that same information. So, today I'll let you do the work.



best regards,

dunniteowl