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[Krytheos]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Krytheos wrote...

But on topic, yeah, the Devs came out with this BEFORE the redesign, so it wasn't as tacked on as it could have been made to be.

Well, the timeline thing is the first thing that I can remember. And that was what, a week or two before?

Still, to be honest, I'm fairly sure it could've been a worse tack-on that it turned out to be.

A week or two before is fine instead of LOLSUDDENLY THEY HAVE HORNS or something silly/stupid. At least it's well-thought out and not overtly pointless in any respect, because it does make sense, lore-wise.

[Behindyounow]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I just think they tacked on those horns at the last minute. I have no recollection of them ever saying Quinari have horns in any of the codexes. I even remember reading the one about the Quinari, which just stated that they are bronze skinned giants.

The original concepts of Qunari had them with horns.

Also, imposing =/= evil.

[Shadow_broker]

Quanari will be a majior antagonist in DA2

Their normal looks is very antagonistic

[GodWood]

I still think the horns look silly
And I intend to tell every qunari I see that fact.

Modifié par GodWood, 29 août 2010 - 07:22 .

[Chuvvy]

The ****ty way the wrote it away is the only thing about it that bothers me. If they just came out and said, "You know what, we decided to take the Qunari back to the drawing board, and give them an overhaul." I'd be fine with it. Not some elaborate explanation as to why you never saw a Qunari with horns and why you never read about them having horns.

[joey_mork84]

The only reason why I don't mind it so much is because it adds more to the history/story of Fereldon. More story and/or history added to a game-world that is as awesome as Fereldon is always welcome to me

[Daerog]

I don't see the problem. So what if they just tacked it on? The "excuse" just helps with the lore issues that are brought up by it. I actually like the changes, and it certainly shows the connection between qunari and ogres. As the ogres come from qunari broodmothers, and ogres having horns now makes more sense, as qunari have horns as well.



Also, those who abandon the Qun shave off their horns to symbolize taking hold of their own destiny, as hornless qunari are seen to have a special destiny. The excuse makes sense and works for what was shown in DA:O, even if it was just tacked on recently.

[Tatinger]

eastoreispos wrote...

Looking at the trailer and at interviews from DA devs, I have one question:  why have the Qunari been demonized?  Why exactly did the Qunari look need to be 'updated' to include giant horns? 

I are very disappoint. 

I agree.  They took out that little bit of realism (which made you believe that the Qunari could actually be a real, viable, race) and sensationalized them to the point of unbelievability (for me at least, it'll be hard to deal with the Qunari and not think I'm playing a Capcom-inspired button-masher or something).  At least they rationalized it, culturally, but that just smacks of explanationism -- trying to justify their re-design into a cookie-cutter model that is instantly recognizable (and marketable) to a certain group of players who might not have picked up the first game because it didn't fit their black-and-white expectations of what a fantasy game should contain or be about.  Demons -- whether they truly are demons or not -- are a reconizable and marketable fantasy staple.  Put Hawke fighting one of those in a trailer and people get it.  Good versus evil, and all that.  It's a sellable visual.  Hawke fighting a 'normal' Qunari like Sten?  Not so much.  The real proof will come in the game itself, however, and whether the Qunari are just there to plow through or, like the previous game, you can actually develop some type of interaction with them which broadens and richens the Dragon Age story and the characters in it.

Modifié par Tatinger, 29 août 2010 - 11:07 .

[theemptythrone]

wahhhh the visual style in da2 is different Thain the style of dao, just like they said it would be wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[MortalEngines]

What I have more confusion with, or should I say disappointment with is the lack of reason that Hawke is fighting this horn-Qunari. I understand why he has horns (though the pale/demonesque skin is lost to me) but why on earth is he fighting Hawke? What is his purpose? Motive?



All I could think is that during DA2 Hawke will fight against Qunari trying to take over the Free Marches (the isles are just above if I remember correctly), hence the image of the Qunari killing the king etc.



Now my issue is that the Qunari are fighting the Tevinter Imperium at the time, so they must have huge army if they can afford to wage war with two states.

[Dave of Canada]

MortalEngines wrote...

What I have more confusion with, or should I say disappointment with is the lack of reason that Hawke is fighting this horn-Qunari. I understand why he has horns (though the pale/demonesque skin is lost to me) but why on earth is he fighting Hawke? What is his purpose? Motive?

That would be revealing too much, though.

[AtreiyaN7]

@Mortal: I think viewing that Gametrailer thread for the scene-by-scene analysis of the trailer might give you some answers. I don't want to actually say why he's fighting the qunari since it might be spoilerish (even though I think almost everyone knows about the fight and where it's taking place).

[Shadow_broker]

Dave of Canada wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

What I have more confusion with, or should I say disappointment with is the lack of reason that Hawke is fighting this horn-Qunari. I understand why he has horns (though the pale/demonesque skin is lost to me) but why on earth is he fighting Hawke? What is his purpose? Motive?

That would be revealing too much, though.

Sten hinted at Quanari invasiion
Fereldan is in ruins due to blight
Flemmeth now has horns alot like quanari
The quanari is seen kiling a ruler of somekind
Flemmeth had dragon cult mages fighting grey wardens
Hawke resorts to tevinter magic to kill the quanari and is hero of kirkwall do the math

Flemmeth is manipulating The hero of Kirkwall and the Quanari to fight so she can have the advantage when she reveals her true form as the real Old god of beatuy/archdemon and start the second phase of her blight inorder to revive the former ways of te tevinter

[BadJustice]

I actually prefer the horns really.
The Darkspawn Ogres comes from Qunari Broodmothers and yet the two race bear near to no resemblence. The horns makes it an obvious trait.
Besides. The Qunari in Origins I thought were a little stupid-looking.

[B3taMaxxx]

This is simply a from perspective issue.



Horns have never in my mind equaled 'evil', but invading other societes/countires and forcing your doctrine upon its people, is. I think most Fereldans would feel the same way towards Qunari as they do towards the Orleasians had they been invaded by them.

[AlexXIV]

eastoreispos wrote...

Looking at the trailer and at interviews from DA devs, I have one question:  why have the Qunari been demonized?  Why exactly did the Qunari look need to be 'updated' to include giant horns? 

Do you believe DA's fanbase is too simplistic to accept an enemy who's evil is a bit ambigious, and thus needs to fight an enemy who, like the darkspawn, is evil through and through?  Do you believe we the fans are ourselves so simplistic that we need this clear and cookie-cutter evil to be representated graphically by the addition of giant horns?

This whole thing is a bit insulting, specially to someone who absolutely loved the Sten character and was dying to learn more about the Qunari.

I are very disappoint. 

I woulldn't say demonized, but obviously Bioware found them too boring looking. I am not really a fan of that either, since a huge dark-skinned white haired race would have been good enough for me.

It adds coolness factor though and certainly is eyecandy for the kids. You know, you catch kids with candy. And the more colorful the better.

[Urazz]

Dave of Canada wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Might I also add that Zevran comments that there are qunari he finds attractive and has been with back in Antiva... I'm just wondering how the horns factor into it all XP

It's exotic, probably adding to the whole attractive thing.

Yeah, but Zevran will pretty much find anything attractive that walks on two legs and can talk.

[Knight Templar_]

MortalEngines wrote...


Now my issue is that the Qunari are fighting the Tevinter Imperium at the time, so they must have huge army if they can afford to wage war with two states.

First: The Qunari think of little but invading.
Two: They were able to capture most of Thedas, so they did have such an army. ergo its not unlikely they could atain such an army again.

[MortalEngines]

Shadow_broker wrote...
Sten hinted at Quanari invasiion
Fereldan is in ruins due to blight
Flemmeth now has horns alot like quanari
The quanari is seen kiling a ruler of somekind
Flemmeth had dragon cult mages fighting grey wardens
Hawke resorts to tevinter magic to kill the quanari and is hero of kirkwall do the math

Flemmeth is manipulating The hero of Kirkwall and the Quanari to fight so she can have the advantage when she reveals her true form as the real Old god of beatuy/archdemon and start the second phase of her blight inorder to revive the former ways of te tevinter

Firstly my problem with this is, isn't the story about HOW Hawke became the hero of Kirkwall rather than him already being it? If it was taking place after Hawke becoming hero, then it would be DA3 or an expansion pack. Also, in order to get to Fereldan the Qunari would have to get through the Free Marches (which might be where Hawke comes in). I think a more reasonable assumption is that their waging war with Kirkwall rather than Fereldan. My other problem is that the Qunari are also fighting the Tevinter Imperium at the time, which means a war on two fronts.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

@Mortal: I think viewing that Gametrailer thread for the scene-by-scene analysis of the trailer might give you some answers. I don't want to actually say why he's fighting the qunari since it might be spoilerish (even though I think almost everyone knows about the fight and where it's taking place).

Thanks, I'll probably go and do that now (thought I thought I did already )

[Aratham Darksight]

Behindyounow wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I just think they tacked on those horns at the last minute. I have no recollection of them ever saying Quinari have horns in any of the codexes. I even remember reading the one about the Quinari, which just stated that they are bronze skinned giants.

The original concepts of Qunari had them with horns.

Also, imposing =/= evil.

Indeed, the first, pre-Origins, concepts for the Qunari had horns.

Here's an excerpt from a 2004 preview:

"We did see one completely new race that will be in the game, though. Although they don't have a name as of yet, or at least BioWare wasn't saying what the name was, the characters sport horns on their heads and look rather lizard (or perhaps dragon) like."

[Krytheos]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

This is simply a from perspective issue.

Horns have never in my mind equaled 'evil', but invading other societes/countires and forcing your doctrine upon its people, is. I think most Fereldans would feel the same way towards Qunari as they do towards the Orleasians had they been invaded by them.

The ironic thing is, in Kirkwall, a rebellion happened because the Elves and such actually liked the Qun philosophy as opposed to the Orlesians. I forget where this is mentioned precisely, but I do recall a dev or someone stating that the time when the Orlesians occupied Kirkwall after driving out the Qun was met with a rebellion, and resulted in the Chevalier Rulers death, as I recall. I don't know which Viscount this was -- I think Dumar, perhaps I may be wrong -- but I do recall that a dev does mention the Qun philosphy, while it is something qunari force on other people...

...is still not as bad as being ruled by the Orlesians. This makes me think Leliana's stories about Orlais are all stories,  and myths, and that she's doing the equivalent to what some people did: glorifying a country that is so obviously a very bad place.

[Fishy]

MortalEngines wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Sten hinted at Quanari invasiion
Fereldan is in ruins due to blight
Flemmeth now has horns alot like quanari
The quanari is seen kiling a ruler of somekind
Flemmeth had dragon cult mages fighting grey wardens
Hawke resorts to tevinter magic to kill the quanari and is hero of kirkwall do the math

Flemmeth is manipulating The hero of Kirkwall and the Quanari to fight so she can have the advantage when she reveals her true form as the real Old god of beatuy/archdemon and start the second phase of her blight inorder to revive the former ways of te tevinter

Firstly my problem with this is, isn't the story about HOW Hawke became the hero of Kirkwall rather than him already being it? If it was taking place after Hawke becoming hero, then it would be DA3 or an expansion pack. Also, in order to get to Fereldan the Qunari would have to get through the Free Marches (which might be where Hawke comes in). I think a more reasonable assumption is that their waging war with Kirkwall rather than Fereldan. My other problem is that the Qunari are also fighting the Tevinter Imperium at the time, which means a war on two fronts.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

@Mortal: I think viewing that Gametrailer thread for the scene-by-scene analysis of the trailer might give you some answers. I don't want to actually say why he's fighting the qunari since it might be spoilerish (even though I think almost everyone knows about the fight and where it's taking place).

Thanks, I'll probably go and do that now (thought I thought I did already )

I have read somewhere that kirkwall it's an important port for Thedas.. It's a military advantage capturing it

[Tatinger]

theemptythrone wrote...

wahhhh the visual style in da2 is different Thain the style of dao, just like they said it would be wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Wow.  Very erudite. Obviously, you don't understand the difference between visual style and the wholesale re-vision and re-modelling of characters from the first game. 

(By the way, what does a military hobbit leader have to do with any of this?)

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Horns have never in my mind equaled 'evil'

Agreed.  Actually, in ancient Greece, they were seen as a sign of divinity and one of the proposed inspirations for royal crown design.  But I think AlexXIV sort of hits on it (at least, the way I was thinking about it): it's all about easy marketing to the kids and casual gamer.  Would players of the first game have missed or insisted the Qunari were redesigned to include horns?  No.  Could a cool-looking 'demon' fighting Hawke attract someone to pick up the game? Maybe. It's sad, and I could be wrong, but I think that was what the new look for the Qunari was born out of -- simple marketing.

Modifié par Tatinger, 29 août 2010 - 11:04 .

[MortalEngines]

Suprez30 wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Sten hinted at Quanari invasiion
Fereldan is in ruins due to blight
Flemmeth now has horns alot like quanari
The quanari is seen kiling a ruler of somekind
Flemmeth had dragon cult mages fighting grey wardens
Hawke resorts to tevinter magic to kill the quanari and is hero of kirkwall do the math

Flemmeth is manipulating The hero of Kirkwall and the Quanari to fight so she can have the advantage when she reveals her true form as the real Old god of beatuy/archdemon and start the second phase of her blight inorder to revive the former ways of te tevinter

Firstly my problem with this is, isn't the story about HOW Hawke became the hero of Kirkwall rather than him already being it? If it was taking place after Hawke becoming hero, then it would be DA3 or an expansion pack. Also, in order to get to Fereldan the Qunari would have to get through the Free Marches (which might be where Hawke comes in). I think a more reasonable assumption is that their waging war with Kirkwall rather than Fereldan. My other problem is that the Qunari are also fighting the Tevinter Imperium at the time, which means a war on two fronts.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

@Mortal: I think viewing that Gametrailer thread for the scene-by-scene analysis of the trailer might give you some answers. I don't want to actually say why he's fighting the qunari since it might be spoilerish (even though I think almost everyone knows about the fight and where it's taking place).

Thanks, I'll probably go and do that now (thought I thought I did already )

I have read somewhere that kirkwall it's an important port for Thedas.. It's a military advantage capturing it

That's my point, people seem to keep assuming that this army will attack Fereldan but I'm pretty sure that it's against Kirkwall instead, that seems more logical seeing as the Devs have said that most of it won't take place in Fereldan. 

[Fishy]

after reading this



* 9:21 Dragon Age: Lord Marlowe Dumar is appointed the new Viscount of Kirkwall, replacing Perrin Threnhold, a tyrant killed by the city’s templars “for the good of all.” It is noted by many, however, that Threnhold’s abuses were only opposed after he tried to have the templar order expelled. It is said that Dumar holds power at the sufferance of the templars, and that their order has grown extremely powerful in Kirkwall during his reign. They have become the center of Chantry strength in eastern Thedas and hold their Circle of Magi in a terrifying, iron grip.[1]



make more sense to me but not sure if itès canon.Wikiea i'm never sure.