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[Alyka]

They're not demonized.I don't know if anyone posted this yet, I didn't look through all the posts.This is what David Gaider said about the new Qunari look:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3274086/18

David Gaider wrote...

mione wrote...
Mr.Gaider I was wondering if it's not too soon or too much of an spoiler could you please explain the difference between an horned and unhorned Qunari? is it something akin to genitics like maybe different races of qunari like the difference between an Caucasian person and an Asian person?

It may be genetic-- I'm hesitant to get into a discussion of genetics in fantasy races, but certainly the Talmassrans selectively breed qunari and from the nature of qunari society it might not be too far a stretch to suppose that they breed them to suit their roles more closely.

Hornless qunari are not rare freaks of nature-- simply uncommon. Most of the Ben-Hassrath are hornless, for instance, and thus your average qunari might be forgiven for thinking that a lack of horns is very intimidating.

[MortalEngines]

Alyka wrote...

They're not demonized.I don't know if anyone posted this yet, I didn't look through all the posts.This is what David Gaider said about the new Qunari look:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3274086/18

David Gaider wrote...

mione wrote...
Mr.Gaider I was wondering if it's not too soon or too much of an spoiler could you please explain the difference between an horned and unhorned Qunari? is it something akin to genitics like maybe different races of qunari like the difference between an Caucasian person and an Asian person?

It may be genetic-- I'm hesitant to get into a discussion of genetics in fantasy races, but certainly the Talmassrans selectively breed qunari and from the nature of qunari society it might not be too far a stretch to suppose that they breed them to suit their roles more closely.

Hornless qunari are not rare freaks of nature-- simply uncommon. Most of the Ben-Hassrath are hornless, for instance, and thus your average qunari might be forgiven for thinking that a lack of horns is very intimidating.

I understand the horns part, I'm more confused by the pale skin. I always assumed Qunari were dark-skinned. Perhaps it's just another Generic difference?

[Alyka]

MortalEngines wrote...
I understand the horns part, I'm more confused by the pale skin. I always assumed Qunari were dark-skinned. Perhaps it's just another Generic difference?

It could be.People have also speculated it might be warpaint.

[Herr Uhl]

MortalEngines wrote...

I understand the horns part, I'm more confused by the pale skin. I always assumed Qunari were dark-skinned. Perhaps it's just another Generic difference?

They come in many colors apparently.

Edit:

David Gaider wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Will the Qunari, with their new look, remain bronze skinned? Or will some have different skin color in the same manner in which some have horns and not others?

Qunari have different skin tones, just as humans do. Many are bronze, while others are not.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 29 août 2010 - 09:25 .

[Daerog]

MortalEngines wrote...

I understand the horns part, I'm more confused by the pale skin. I always assumed Qunari were dark-skinned. Perhaps it's just another Generic difference?

The Qunari are pretty widespread, like the humans and elves in Thedas. The places we know the Qunari come from are pretty jungle-like, but they seem to have spread out a lot and not all their locations are known. Likely, since they have spread pretty far, they have adapted to new environments like humans have. There are many shadings of skin for humans, elves, and dwarves in Thedas. Why not Qunari? Makes more sense for the qunari to have more shades of skin than dwarves.

[Herr Uhl]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

I understand the horns part, I'm more confused by the pale skin. I always assumed Qunari were dark-skinned. Perhaps it's just another Generic difference?

The Qunari are pretty widespread, like the humans and elves in Thedas. The places we know the Qunari come from are pretty jungle-like, but they seem to have spread out a lot and not all their locations are known. Likely, since they have spread pretty far, they have adapted to new environments like humans have. There are many shadings of skin for humans, elves, and dwarves in Thedas. Why not Qunari? Makes more sense for the qunari to have more shades of skin than dwarves.

But they probably wouldn't have had time to adapt in Thedas, due to arriving there so briefly. That would have had to happen back in the old country, which we know nothing about.

[MortalEngines]

Herr Uhl wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

I understand the horns part, I'm more confused by the pale skin. I always assumed Qunari were dark-skinned. Perhaps it's just another Generic difference?

They come in many colors apparently.

Edit:

David Gaider wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Will the Qunari, with their new look, remain bronze skinned? Or will some have different skin color in the same manner in which some have horns and not others?

Qunari have different skin tones, just as humans do. Many are bronze, while others are not.

Thanks for the link, though now looking back, it kinda does look like war paint (it adds to the whole demonesque look). But I don't think this was a last minute decision from Bioware, they probably thought it out before hand. It might annoy some Sten fans if Qunari are put in a less favourable light in DA2 though.

[B3taMaxxx]

Krytheos wrote...
...is still not as bad as being ruled by the Orlesians. This makes me think Leliana's stories about Orlais are all stories,  and myths, and that she's doing the equivalent to what some people did: glorifying a country that is so obviously a very bad place.

Perhaps they are liberators in some of their conquered minds, but I'd guess this is the exception and not the rule.

 Having a foreign power invade your homeland is never good, no matter the aggressor.

Tatinger wrote...
Could a cool-looking 'demon' fighting Hawke attract someone to pick up the game? Maybe. It's sad, and I could be wrong, but I think that was what the new look for the Qunari was born out of -- simple marketing.

 This is one possibility, though I'd land on the side of BW wanting to better differentiate the Qunari from tall humans. Either way, BioWare is digging themselves a  hole.

[nightcobra]

i'm interested to see a qun'ari city or settlement in the free marches.

sten describing it intrigued me... tea, incense, gunpowder, cannons, they sound like a mix between the nordic vikings and the persian empire.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Likely all I'm about to say here has been already said, but I had to skip the last three pages. Sorry if I'm just repeating someone else.

From what I hear, the devs actually planned to put horns on Qunari from the get go, but helmets caused an issue and they had to abandon the idea in the Origins. The horns coming back means either of the following:

- we won't have a Qunari companion in DA2, which eliminates the helmet problem,

- our Qunari companion(s) won't be able to wear head gear,

- they'll actually go through the whole ordeal of remodeling helmets for Qunari,

- the helmets will simply be dropped, which is wishful thinking on my part; I hate mage cowls in Origins with a passion.

Besides...anyone who played Diablo II: LoD knows cows are evil. And mean.

[Pedro Costa]

eastoreispos wrote...

Looking at the trailer and at interviews from DA devs, I have one question:  why have the Qunari been demonized?  Why exactly did the Qunari look need to be 'updated' to include giant horns? 

Do you believe DA's fanbase is too simplistic to accept an enemy who's evil is a bit ambigious, and thus needs to fight an enemy who, like the darkspawn, is evil through and through?  Do you believe we the fans are ourselves so simplistic that we need this clear and cookie-cutter evil to be representated graphically by the addition of giant horns?

This whole thing is a bit insulting, specially to someone who absolutely loved the Sten character and was dying to learn more about the Qunari.

I are very disappoint. 

I believe it is you who is taking a too simplistic approach to the whole "ZOMG IT HAZ TEH HORNS! IT BE EBIL I TELLZ YA!" thing.

Personally, I prefer this new look to the qunari since it sets them apart and actually peeked up my interest in them (there, I said it). I swear, when I saw Sten for the first time I thought he was a tall human from some human tribe far away who had different customs.
Now they [the qunari] really are a separate species, with its visual tell-tale signs, like a dwarves chunky body or an elf's pointed ears.

The qunari's invasion also wasn't anything we didn't know already by talking to Sten.

Really, I think you're going a bit overboard =)

[Raxxman]

MortalEngines wrote...

I understand the horns part, I'm more confused by the pale skin. I always assumed Qunari were dark-skinned. Perhaps it's just another Generic difference?

to me he looks like an albino. No skin pigmentation, white hair, red eyes.

Albino Qunari assassin is my guess.


*edit* I'd just like to add he also uses magic, this is probably why everyone is going huh? Because DA:O leads us to believe that Qunari are hornless, dark skinned, and purple eyed, and put mages in cages. This guy essentially is nothing like a Qunari as described in DA:O (apart from being big), and if I hadn't of been told I'd of never of known.

Modifié par Raxxman, 29 août 2010 - 11:02 .

[aries1001]

During Shale's personal quest, I met an Ogre Alpha. Very very difficult to beat, especially since he had --- wait for it - horns. And liked to do like a bull when attacking. If you've read the codex entry about this, you'd know that the Ogres have horns because they're corrupted Quanaris. Logically, it must therefore follow that Quanaris have horns.



Also, the trailer was made by BLUR; some of us still look at the Sacred Ashes trailer (from the first game)

and think: 'why don't they look like this - in the game?'



And cows and bulls aren't evil, just because they have horns...

[Heimdall]

I like the change. As much as I like Sten I thought the qunari needed something to make them more discernable from tall humans. It also makes the connection between qunari and ogres more apparent so I really don't think the qunari have been demonized

[Hyper Cutter]

Dave of Canada wrote...

He also believes eating pie and meats makes you corrupt while eating tofu makes you pure. I wouldn't place much faith in that man.

I thought it was eating live chickens that made you evil, and that stuff you said just made you fat...

[In Exile]

Randy1083 wrote...Oh, sure, I agree. I just mean that I don't think their intentions are evil. They're not sitting up there in Par Vollen going, "Look upon us and despair, for we will conquer you all! Mwahahaha! Ours is an evil laugh!"

Instead they're going: "Look upon us and despair, for we will conquer you all! We will decimate your inferior society and restructure your lives in their entirety so that they are proper." Yeah, totally not evil that they are going around shattering societies and imposing their culture violently. There was a post from a writer a while back that described how the qunari assimilate nations. Not particularly pleasant.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

Uh, because people who are different than us (no matter the difference) need to be TERMINATED on the basis that they are DIFFERENT. The Quanari are different and are therefore worthy of termination. Hopefully, as king, I can kick all of the elves and dwarves out of Fereldan/Kirkville. Those hooligans need to go back to their country and leave us humans alone. Loghain and Maric fought hard not so their kind could freeload the place.

Modifié par Perfect-Kenshin, 30 août 2010 - 04:04 .

[Arttis]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

He also believes eating pie and meats makes you corrupt while eating tofu makes you pure. I wouldn't place much faith in that man.

I thought it was eating live chickens that made you evil, and that stuff you said just made you fat...

Fat is evil....
Qunari are suppose to be scary.

Modifié par Arttis, 30 août 2010 - 04:04 .

[SoR82]

I imagine my feelings on thsoe horns are well known by now. But in all the posts no one has managed to explain to me the following.

They say that some qunari rip their horns off, fair enough but how the hell do they manage to remove horns of the style the guy in the vid has. Those horns are built into his skull not simply little spikes that are sat on top of them. The horn themselves my not be bone BUT the way they grow out of the skull means that even removing them it would be obvious that they had horns originally.

Secondly they keep refering to the fact that lore fanatics will know qunari were said to have horns in the lore... Yet for some reason no one, unless ive missed it has bothered to tell us where it says this.

Third, if you felt the need to such a substantial redesign, dont you think you could have done better than "some have some havent" Hell that makes enterprises explanation for Klingon ridges look rock solid.

Fourth You want to go in your own direction you say.... if this is the case why do the qunari look like pale skinned bloodletters I wonder.

Fifth people have commented on ogres having horns and they com from qunari broodmothers.... so? Last time i checked Elves though light on their feet were not almost insectoid. Dwarves and humans do not have fangs. It is the corruption that does this to the other races surely.

Just my thoughts and Im sure people will leap to their defense, still on the plus side they got rid of the claws ~Smirks~

Modifié par SoR82, 30 août 2010 - 09:35 .

[MortalEngines]

SoR82 wrote...

I imagine my feelings on thsoe horns are well known by now. But in all the posts no one has managed to explain to me the following.

They say that some qunari rip their horns off, fair enough but how the hell do they manage to remove horns of the style the guy in the vid has. Those horns are built into his skull not simply little spikes that are sat on top of them. The horn themselves my not be bone BUT the way they grow out of the skull means that even removing them it would be obvious that they had horns originally.

Similar to how you remove horns from a billy goat (which they do when the horns grow to big), you cut it as close to the skull as possible. You can't remove it completely but you can get most of it out.

SoR82 wrote...


Secondly they keep refering to the fact that lore fanatics will know qunari were said to have horns in the lore... Yet for some reason no one, unless ive missed it has bothered to tell us where it says this.

It's genetics, they're a different species...it's just the way they are. It's like asking why do Elves have pointy ears? Or why are dwarves short? Can you explain why human's look like they do? It's just the way they are....

SoR82 wrote...
Third, if you felt the need to such a substantial redesign, dont you think you could have done better than "some have some havent" Hell that makes enterprises explanation for Klingon ridges look rock solid.

Do you have a better explanation? I don't see a problem with how they explained it, some have it, some don't, just like some humans have dark skin, others don't.

SoR82 wrote...

Fourth You want to go in your own direction you say.... if this is the case why do the qunari look like pale skinned bloodletters I wonder.

Two explanations for this. First many people say it's traditional war paint (the bloodletters are symbols for Qunari warriors), also Qunari have varying skin colours.

SoR82 wrote...
Fifth people have commented on ogres having horns and they com from qunari broodmothers.... so? Last time i checked Elves though light on their feet were not almost insectoid. Dwarves and humans do not have fangs. It is the corruption that does this to the other races surely.

Well I wouldn't consider horns a 'facial' feature, but a biological one, similar to how Hurlocks share human height and Genlocks have dwarf height. Also if you look at the shrieks (I think that's what they're called), they have pointy ears.

Hope this makes you understand better...

Modifié par MortalEngines, 30 août 2010 - 10:47 .

[SoR82]

MortalEngines wrote...
It's genetics, they're a different species...it's just the way they are. It's like asking why do Elves have pointy ears? Or why are dwarves short? Can you explain why human's look like they do? It's just the way they are....

But my point is they havent told use where they state this, Its not so much i dislike the new look i Am simply curious in this point where this comment that its in the lore comes from Ive not seen anyone post where it is, again unless ive missed it which in all these posts on and off topic is more than possible.

Plus there are not a different species these are all Qunari, all elves have pointy ears dwarves are short and stocky, thats how they are its a racial feature you dont get 6 foot tall dwarves.... unless you read pratchett.

MortalEngines wrote...Two explanations for this. First many people say it's traditional war paint (the bloodletters are symbols for Qunari warriors), also Qunari have varying skin colours..

The bloodletter comment i was commenting more on the build stature and facial area than their skin tone/warpaint, besides bloodletters are red. I believe you have misinterpreted what I was refering to with Bloodletters. I do not refer to the paint but the creature known as a bloodletter.

MortalEngines wrote....Do you have a better explanation? I don't see a problem with how they explained it, some have it, some don't, just like some humans have dark skin, others don't.

Nope i odnt have a better explanation but I am not the one who decided that an established race needed a complete redesign, therefore I dont have to explain it. Even if I had to I would come up with something equally lame as I am attempting to explain something I do not buy into.

[Sigma Tauri]

MortalEngines wrote...

It's genetics, they're a different species...it's just the way they are. It's like asking why do Elves have pointy ears? Or why are dwarves short? Can you explain why human's look like they do? It's just the way they are....

Those questions actually are valid from a world-building point of view.

[MortalEngines]

SoR82 wrote...

But my point is they havent told use where they state this, Its not so much i dislike the new look i Am simply curious in this point where this comment that its in the lore comes from Ive not seen anyone post where it is, again unless ive missed it which in all these posts on and off topic is more than possible.

Plus there are not a different species these are all Qunari, all elves have pointy ears dwarves are short and stocky, thats how they are its a racial feature you dont get 6 foot tall dwarves.... unless you read pratchett.

I do read Terry Pratchett but that's not the point .

I understand what you mean but that's because there isn't much ethnic diversity in Elven and Dwarven races. Where as human and Qunari's show much more diversity, for reasons that can't entirely be explained. Also I have a feeling that Bioware will explain more about the Qunari race in DA2.

Also, most Qunari races have horns, those who do not are EXTREMELY rare. Just like Humans with two different eye colours are very rare.

SoR82 wrote...
The bloodletter comment i was commenting more on the build stature and facial area than their skin tone/warpaint, besides bloodletters are red. I believe you have misinterpreted what I was refering to with Bloodletters. I do not refer to the paint but the creature known as a bloodletter.

Oh it seems I did misinterpret. My bad, I still stick with the war paint, it's not too far fetch to assume that they colour themselves with war paint as some sort of clan/status/rank symbolism. As for facial area, can you elaborate? Beyond the horns that is.

SoR82 wrote...
Nope i odnt have a better explanation but I am not the one who decided that an established race needed a complete redesign, therefore I dont have to explain it. Even if I had to I would come up with something equally lame as I am attempting to explain something I do not buy into.

It's not a re-design, it's was already stated that Qunari have horns, now we get to see it. I do want Bioware to explain more about the Qunari however as there is much to be explained.

[MortalEngines]

SoR82 wrote...

But my point is they havent told use where they state this, Its not so much i dislike the new look i Am simply curious in this point where this comment that its in the lore comes from Ive not seen anyone post where it is, again unless ive missed it which in all these posts on and off topic is more than possible.

Plus there are not a different species these are all Qunari, all elves have pointy ears dwarves are short and stocky, thats how they are its a racial feature you dont get 6 foot tall dwarves.... unless you read pratchett.

I do read Terry Pratchett but that's not the point .

I understand what you mean but that's because there isn't much ethnic diversity in Elven and Dwarven races. Where as human and Qunari's show much more diversity, for reasons that can't entirely be explained. Also I have a feeling that Bioware will explain more about the Qunari race in DA2.

Also, most Qunari races have horns, those who do not are EXTREMELY rare. Just like Humans with two different eye colours are very rare.

SoR82 wrote...
The bloodletter comment i was commenting more on the build stature and facial area than their skin tone/warpaint, besides bloodletters are red. I believe you have misinterpreted what I was refering to with Bloodletters. I do not refer to the paint but the creature known as a bloodletter.

Oh it seems I did misinterpret. My bad, I still stick with the war paint, it's not too far fetch to assume that they colour themselves with war paint as some sort of clan/status/rank symbolism. As for facial area, can you elaborate? Beyond the horns that is.

SoR82 wrote...
Nope i odnt have a better explanation but I am not the one who decided that an established race needed a complete redesign, therefore I dont have to explain it. Even if I had to I would come up with something equally lame as I am attempting to explain something I do not buy into.

It's not a re-design, it's was already stated that Qunari have horns, now we get to see it. I do want Bioware to explain more about the Qunari however as there is much to be explained.

monkeycamoran wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

It's genetics, they're a different species...it's just the way they are. It's like asking why do Elves have pointy ears? Or why are dwarves short? Can you explain why human's look like they do? It's just the way they are....

Those questions actually are valid from a world-building point of view.

Touché

Modifié par MortalEngines, 30 août 2010 - 01:58 .