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[Addai]

MariSkep wrote...

I suddenly feel really selfish. Did no one else put Alistair on the throne to expand the Grey Wardens' influence in Fereldan?

No, but a nice side benefit of my Cousland becoming royal consort was to give the Wardens the finger for conscripting her. 

As for it being an easy choice, you look at the muck the country is in because of Anora's (lack of) spine, her odious power-grabbing ways and for me the easy choice is Alistair, at least if hardened.  But I generally play elves, who consider Anora's bragging that she's responsible for the status quo to be less than a banner recommendation.

[Giggles_Manically]

For Ali I have:

Unhardened With Anora

Hardened with Anora

Hardened and ruled alone.

Unhardened and remains a warden



Still have to see the ending where he is a drunk, and one where he rules unhardened alone.

[TJPags]

I don't think you need Alistair on the throne to extend their influence. The PC as prince consort would do that, and hey, Anora should feel some gratitude - after all, you put her on the throne. Not killing Loghain and making him a Warden would help with that, too, I'd think.



Frankly, unhardened Alistair doesn't WANT the job, and in no way seems suited for it. Hardened Alistair (and if I've hardened him, it's been by accident - but I have seen it done) seems to me to be power hungry/demanding/just doesn't want Anora to remain Queen, and still doesn't seem suited for it.



Plus, personally, I prefer competence to blood.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ OP. I did make him king in a few playthroughs of mine. But in the one I identify with? Never.

My favorite PC that did make him king, did so to be the chancellor of a weak king, in other words to rule Ferelden.

[Zjarcal]

MariSkep wrote...

I suddenly feel really selfish. Did no one else put Alistair on the throne to expand the Grey Wardens' influence in Fereldan?

Can't say I ever cared about expanding the Wardens' influence. Can't say I care about the Wardens, period. 

[CalJones]

Yeah, agreed there. The PC is only a warden for about an hour before the rest of them all die so it's hard to feel an attachment there (and quite a few of my wardens have been reluctant...or at least, only joined to get them out of a bad spot). Most of them think along the same lines as Anders. "death to the darkspawn, rar." [/sarcasm]

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Yeah my Brosca characters both female and male love the Wardens because they don't care about status or who you are as long as your going to fight darkspawn your a okay to them not to mention that is very important to Dwarfs since darkspawn terrorize them the most.



As for what to do with Alistair. My dwarfs are hesitant to put him on the throne he is too kind for politics. My city elves on the other hand adore the fact he might actual make their people's lives better since Anora or Cailan didn't really do much, and Loghain yeah slave trading made it where he had to die. Dalish I haven't got one to the Landsmeet yet, so I'm still pondering how I'm going to RP that. My Male Cousland marries Anora. Alistair walks out(I don't execute him). Female Cousland marries him yada yada yada, DR, etc.

[Addai]

MariSkep wrote...

I suppose my PC just grew attached to being called Warden and the flexibility it offered him in his experiments with blood magic and the like.

A mage does have the most motivation to be rah-rah Warden.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's really impressive how each Origin can generate a different perspective (or several each) of the Wardens in general (and Duncan in particular).

My blood mage still disliked the Wardens, because they restricted his freedom with the taint, despite opening up new avenues for him.

[Bahlgan]

MCPOWill wrote...

ew... Anora... *shivers* she may end being a 'good' queen, but she is too damn bureaucratic. I always put Alistair up on the throne hardened or no. Plus, I may forgive Loghain for his action, but that doesn't desolve him of his crimes and must reap the consequences of his actions. Plus the first time I meant Anora, the b*tch ratted me out .... I may have died and reloaded the save and picked the peaceful option but still, she betrayed to advance her own goal and that is corrupt whereas (hardened or no) Alistair is noble and honorable. So yes that is my response.
Alistair - Yes (The King)
Anora - No (Disgraced and Imprisoned)
Loghain - Dead (lived long enough to see himself become the villian)

I second this notion, and chose this 100% on my first playthrough, though I did not know that having Alistair kill Loghain would have screwed over my only chance in joining the two in marriage.

So in my second playthrough, I championed for Alistair and killed Loghain, thus pinning Anora's wrath on myself and not on Alistair. This allowed me to allow them to join in marriage. 

[Monica21]

My first playthrough I put Anora on the throne because I had an unhardened Alistair. He didn't want to be king, so I didn't make him one. The second I still left him unhardened and let him rule alone. I think the only thing I haven't done with the throne is play a male Cousland who marries Anora.

Am I one of the few people who likes Alistair, Anora, and Loghain? Alistair and Anora together make very good rulers. He softens her and she strengthens him. Anyway, no matter what you do, it's hard to get a truly bad epilogue for the ruler.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...
Anyway, no matter what you do, it's hard to get a truly bad epilogue for the ruler.

I personally would qualify unhardened Alistair as a pretty bad epilogue, for both himself and Ferelden.
Made even worse if his chancellor happens to be an idiot (noit that people here have stupid characters ).

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
Anyway, no matter what you do, it's hard to get a truly bad epilogue for the ruler.

I personally would qualify unhardened Alistair as a pretty bad epilogue, for both himself and Ferelden.
Made even worse if his chancellor happens to be an idiot (noit that people here have stupid characters ).

I don't remember it being bad as in "everyone in Ferelden hated him for his lack of leadership." But then I honestly don't remember much about his unhardened and ruling alone epilogue except that he liked to go drinking, but I think that's in every epilogue where he ends up on the throne.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The epilogue had him completely ignore his duty as king and simply be a figurehead that is generally well liked (further proof that the masses don't really know how to like properly).

But he's better than Harrowmont, I'll give him that. It's better to know one's weaknesses and not act at all, than think you are good and come up with very counter-productive policies.

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The epilogue had him completely ignore his duty as king and simply be a figurehead that is generally well liked (further proof that the masses don't really know how to like properly).
But he's better than Harrowmont, I'll give him that. It's better to know one's weaknesses and not act at all, than think you are good and come up with very counter-productive policies.

Oh, yes. I remember now. Perhaps that's why it's buried in me that if I'm going to put him on the throne he'd better be hardened, and no use bothering if I'm not.

[CalJones]

I've never put Alistair on the throne alone, let alone unhardened. In my very first playthrough I executed Loghain (ugh) and married an unhardenend Alistair to Anora (I didn't know how to harden him, or that it was possible). That was probably the worst ending I got (I put Harrowmont on the throne, too) and I deleted that run.
The hardened Alistair - Anora pairing does result in a fairly nice epilogue, so I've done that a few times. But (and don't pelt me with rotten onions) I rather like letting Anora rule alone because that way Loghain gets a nice statue. Right, I'll go hide somewhere.

Modifié par CalJones, 30 août 2010 - 08:56 .

[phaonica]

I figure that while putting Anora and Alistair on the throne together might be "better" than either one of them alone, Anora is perfectly capable of doing a good job running Ferelden without Alistair, and he doesn't have to deal with a crown that he never wanted. I'd rather not trap him there when together they're only marginally better for Ferelden. The main concern I have with not putting Alistair on the throne is losing the Calenhad/Theirin bloodline, which is just pure sentimentality on my part.

Modifié par phaonica, 30 août 2010 - 07:05 .

[Monica21]

phaonica wrote...

I figure that while putting Anora and Alistair on the throne together might be "better" than either one of them alone, Anora is perfectly capable of doing a good job running Ferelden without Alistair, and he doesn't have to deal with a crown that he never wanted. I'd rather not trap him there when together they're only marginally better for Ferelden. The main concern I have with not putting Alistair on the throne is losing the Calenhad/Theirin bloodline, which is just pure sentimentality on my part.

Same here with the sentimentality. Even though Alistair will probably be the last and Maker only knows what will happen at the Landsmeet to decide the next king.

[Stoomkal]

Monica21 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

I figure that while putting Anora and Alistair on the throne together might be "better" than either one of them alone, Anora is perfectly capable of doing a good job running Ferelden without Alistair, and he doesn't have to deal with a crown that he never wanted. I'd rather not trap him there when together they're only marginally better for Ferelden. The main concern I have with not putting Alistair on the throne is losing the Calenhad/Theirin bloodline, which is just pure sentimentality on my part.

Same here with the sentimentality. Even though Alistair will probably be the last and Maker only knows what will happen at the Landsmeet to decide the next king.

I third that motion.

I personally disagree with the whole concept of "hardening" either Alistair or Leliana. I think Alistair would be a better, more compassionate King before hand.

And if you disregard the Anora-haters, then it does seem that she is a fair and good ruler in most endings with Alistair, and she may even grow to like him. I even remember her saying he reminded her of Cailan, not in the face, but in the heart. I thought that was sweet.

So, yeah, I put Alistair on the throne with Anora.

Maybe it is guilt for slaughtering Loghain with my Arcane Warrrior...

[Addai]

Hardening Alistair is not making him any less compassionate. His epilogues as king have him appointing an elf councillor even when hardened, for instance, so in a sense his compassion is more effective. Hardening simply makes him stand up for himself more. That is a quality you'd want to help any friend develop, let alone one who's going to be king, no?

[Monica21]

Addai67 wrote...

Hardening Alistair is not making him any less compassionate. His epilogues as king have him appointing an elf councillor even when hardened, for instance, so in a sense his compassion is more effective. Hardening simply makes him stand up for himself more. That is a quality you'd want to help any friend develop, let alone one who's going to be king, no?

Unfortunately, it only makes him stand up for himself at the Landsmeet. Right up until that he'll be telling you he doesn't want to be king. His epilogue is better if you do make him king, and the reaction from Anora is more positive (after the Landsmeet) if you marry them and if he is hardened.

Modifié par Monica21, 30 août 2010 - 03:22 .

[M-Taylor]

Out of 14 play throughs, the only time he wasn't King was in my first ever play through. I left him unhardened, because like so many others, I had zero clue how to harden him.. or even what that was. And he was so reluctant to be King, I just couldn't do it.

After that, he's been on the throne every time. I know Anora probably is a more official and better ruler, but as an elf at heart (my favourite characters all happen to be elves.. I just always play elves, and the Dragon Age ones put a nice spin on their tale, and actually make them the underdogs. I love it!), Anora just isn't a suitable candinate.

My personal favourite endings:

Female Cousland, Rogue Archer, married an unhardened Alistair for power. I always imagine her as the real ruler, and a huge middle finger to the Wardens. She hated the Wardens for taking away her titles and noble privlidges, and becoming Queen was something she always wanted.

Female Mage Elf, romanced Alistair. Put a hardened Alistair on the throne alone, but couldn't give Alistair up. Did the ultimate sacrifice - my personal favourite ending and probably my canon.

Male dwarf - Hardened Alistair married Anora.

And about the Grey Warden thing, I kinda agree. I just don't think you're in the order long enough before they're killed to build an attachtment, and to out-weigh the negatives that come with the privlidges. 90% of my characters hate Duncan, and hate the Wardens.

I should really make a Warden loving character.. /day dreams