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[NvVanity]

Crashing a ship into another ship could work but modern day military aircraft for United States can cost hundreds of millions of dollars.



Now building a ship in space like a Frigate or Cruiser is probably in the BILLIONS. Crashing that much tax payer money is a waste.

[JowyXXV]

It's not a waste of money if a smaller and cheaper ship can destroy a much larger ship.



You guys don't realize just how valuable Dreadnaughts are if you think crashing a smaller cheaper ship into one would be a bad idea. (if doing so could destroy one)

[Yakko77]

JowyXXV wrote...

In any case, we need to stop the rise of Communist China and it's rampant theft of American tech.

They steal everyones tech, including from their own people thus making starting up an innovative business or idea difficult at best.  It's certainly a form of economic warfare though.  They own so much of our (U.S.) debt that I don't know of too many politicians willing to take more than a token stand against it however.  Hacking the economy and doing damage was a form of attack in a Tom Clancy novel (Debt of Honor IIRC)


I don't think the Reapers are too concerned about economics but I  wonder if economic rivialry/warfare has a place other than Noveria?  Maybe the Alliance could hack or otherwise infiltrate the Batarian slave trade and crash it so-to-speak.  That way they may be forced to cooperate with the Council thus preventing a military conflict.... or, if the Law of Unintended Consequences and Murphy's Law have their say, such an act could cause a war and the Batarians strike me as the type who would ram a ship into a city or a ship (if possible) to maximize damage.  Again, I  bring up the use of "fire ships" during the days of sailing ships.  No need to take a brand new frigate or cruiser for the ramming.  Just retrofit a used up freighter for the job.

Also, the Salarians or maybe the Hanar strike me as the type who would and could retrofit a ship and use it in a ramming attack of some kind.  Not against a city but against another ship... if possible.

[Phaedon]

JowyXXV wrote...

In any case, we need to stop the rise of Communist China and it's rampant theft of American tech.

Apparently there are no USA in ME, just USNA (Canada and USA ?) so...yeah. 

[Spartas Husky]

Phaedon wrote...

JowyXXV wrote...

In any case, we need to stop the rise of Communist China and it's rampant theft of American tech.

Apparently there are no USA in ME, just USNA (Canada and USA ?) so...yeah. 

apparently, most today regard "america" as the USA... while "america" is the entire western hemisphere. so dont get technical .

[Panthro90]

Phaedon wrote...

JowyXXV wrote...

In any case, we need to stop the rise of Communist China and it's rampant theft of American tech.

Apparently there are no USA in ME, just USNA (Canada and USA ?) so...yeah. 

USNA!?  GO NAVY!

Sorry, Academy flash back.

[Panthro90]

On the topic....



Using your ship to ram an enemy combatant is, and always has been, a legitimate tactical maneuver. It just has to make sense in the given engagement. You don’t want your carrier to run over and enemy frigate, but you may task one of your frigates to ram an enemy carrier. At FTL speeds, targeting may be an issue and if you do collide, you are sure to kill everyone on both ships, but, hey, that’s what frigates are for.

[Normandy30]

The cost difference between FTL ships to use of energy weapsons makes no sence. They would be better of finding a way to use their mass effect weapons to get the projectile to traver at FTL speeds, and give the round enough mass to cause damage to large ship.

[Panthro90]

Absolutely. If it was cost effective, FLT cruise missiles would make alot more sense than committing Line asset. Maybe it a Mutual Assured Destruction thing.

Ramming is always low on the options list. But if you’re out of ammo, or your weapons systems are off line, and the stakes are high enough to expend the asset, and someone at the CO level or higher gives the order: RAMMING SPEED!

The other thing to keep in mind is that the blast radius may endanger your own combatants, and maybe that’s the limiting factor here. If you are close enough to target the enemy, the resulting blast would kill you.

[Phaedon]

It's one thing to ram at normal speed and another to go kamikaze at FTL speed.



Ramming should work, but don't forget that the close-quarters weapons of most vessels is a GARDIAN system, which are DEWs. This means that they can skip your barrier and hit your armour immediately. So, yeah, it's heavy risk, and we do not know if the prize is worth it.

[Alchemist02]

By the time ramming is your only option left to do damage to your enemies i think your option to esacpe would also be gone (otherwise you'd obviously warp the hell away from there) as Warp or FTL drives are usually the first things to break in ship to ship combat or be disabled and even if your warp/FTL drive was undamaged you'd light up like a bonfire on the enemie sensors, giving them plenty of time to either disable your engines or blow you up.



Besides on larger ships such as dreadnaughts all you would do is ram there shields and be pushed off the side by it (as dreadnaughts have FAR stronger shields then anything else, some even have multiple power generators tied to diffrent systems)

[Phaedon]

I personally wouldn't warp away from a battle. There are enemies in front of you, and allies on your back. You might hit someone.

[Alchemist02]

You cant turn in FTL speeds so provided the direction directly ahead of you is clear you wont hit anyone.

Modifié par BrotherShepherd, 01 septembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[Legbiter]

I suggested just this tactic in response to batarian slave raids and terrorist attacks on human settlements a while back. Take any old freighter and crash it at FTL speed into the batarian homeworld. Have it done by disgruntled ex-slaves for deniability.

[Alchemist02]

Legbiter wrote...

I suggested just this tactic in response to batarian slave raids and terrorist attacks on human settlements a while back. Take any old freighter and crash it at FTL speed into the batarian homeworld. Have it done by disgruntled ex-slaves for deniability.

And other then making the alliance look like terrorists what would that accomplish? 

Besides the batairans already hate the alliance, why should the alliance burn all bridges with the batarians? They could easily become the strongest alliance in concil space.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

BrotherShepherd wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

I suggested just this tactic in response to batarian slave raids and terrorist attacks on human settlements a while back. Take any old freighter and crash it at FTL speed into the batarian homeworld. Have it done by disgruntled ex-slaves for deniability.

And other then making the alliance look like terrorists what would that accomplish? 

Besides the batairans already hate the alliance, why should the alliance burn all bridges with the batarians? They could easily become the strongest alliance in concil space.

because no one need the batarians? who ****ing needs galactic terrorists? how are the batarians considered a protagonist asset where as the system's alliance is suddenly the evil doers/antagonist? 
that's saying vader or the borgs in star wars or star trek are good guys and ****, and shephard and friends are evil and stuff.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 01 septembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[Alchemist02]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

because no one need the batarians? who ****ing needs galactic terrorists? how are the batarians considered a protagonist asset where as the system's alliance is suddenly the evil doers/antagonist? 
that's saying vader or the borgs in star wars or star trek are good guys and ****, and shephard and friends are evil and stuff.

i doubt the official batarian goverment supports the terrorists. 

In a way i'd liken the alliance moving into the treverse to an invasion, basicly batarians have been terraforming and preparing that part of space for who knows how long and here comes the alliance and just takes whatever comes into sight range, No negotiation or talks with batarian goverment for SHARED controll of the space or the possiblity of trade, No nothing, The examples you mentioned are highly inaccurate to the sitaution, 

The Batarians were robbed basicly of there space. 

[Phaedon]

Only a few batarians are terrorists, but many of them are slavers. Why ? Cause it's a cultural difference you have to deal with.

[Spartas Husky]

Phaedon wrote...

Only a few batarians are terrorists, but many of them are slavers. Why ? Cause it's a cultural difference you have to deal with.

hehehehe, I am sure you would protest if you were the poor slave under their whips... but if that was the case, I am sure you would also think "hey I am getting my ass whiped, tortured, maimed... but hey this is the culture I find myself in.... most of us were kidnapped or bought, and never had experienced this sort of life... so who cares right, is just another culture.


very nice how you can distance yourself from problems by saying more or less "is not my problem" very soothing

[Phaedon]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Only a few batarians are terrorists, but many of them are slavers. Why ? Cause it's a cultural difference you have to deal with.

hehehehe, I am sure you would protest if you were the poor slave under their whips... but if that was the case, I am sure you would also think "hey I am getting my ass whiped, tortured, maimed... but hey this is the culture I find myself in.... most of us were kidnapped or bought, and never had experienced this sort of life... so who cares right, is just another culture.

Western Civilization. Feudalism. Failure to pay debts. 

Or was this ancient Greece ? Bah, I suck at history...

very nice how you can distance yourself from problems by saying more or less "is not my problem" very soothing

And that's why I am happy I don't live in 2185. 

[Spartas Husky]

right.... slaves are all those who cannot pay debts.



I am sure the batarians are just nice debt collectors, they dont kidnap, rape or pillage innocent colonies who never borrowed money from them



But it has happended before, so wth right? is going to happen again so who cares.

[Phaedon]

Spartas Husky wrote...

right.... slaves are all those who cannot pay debts.

I am sure the batarians are just nice debt collectors, they dont kidnap, rape or pillage innocent colonies who never borrowed money from them

But it has happended before, so wth right? is going to happen again so who cares.

Correct me if I am wrong, but batarians don't raid colonies. Except if they are pirates.

Pirates and terrorists are illegal, 'domestic' slavers are legal.

In fact,

Slavery is an integral part of the batarian caste system, despite being illegal according to Council law, and it is currently unknown how the batarians maintained standing on the Citadel for so long with slavery still actively practiced. The custom is so deeply ingrained in batarian culture that batarians consider the Council's anti-slavery standing to be prejudicial. Rogue batarian slave rings are feared throughout the galaxy, especially among colonists.

As you can see, it's same to assume that domestic slavers enslave fellow batarians. If they go rogue and start abducting other colonies, well... not the Hegemony's fault. 

Imo, it's obvious that BW wants you to hate Batarians.

[Spartas Husky]

Phaedon wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

right.... slaves are all those who cannot pay debts.

I am sure the batarians are just nice debt collectors, they dont kidnap, rape or pillage innocent colonies who never borrowed money from them

But it has happended before, so wth right? is going to happen again so who cares.

Correct me if I am wrong, but batarians don't raid colonies. Except if they are pirates.

Pirates and terrorists are illegal, 'domestic' slavers are legal.

In fact,

Slavery is an integral part of the batarian caste system, despite being illegal according to Council law, and it is currently unknown how the batarians maintained standing on the Citadel for so long with slavery still actively practiced. The custom is so deeply ingrained in batarian culture that batarians consider the Council's anti-slavery standing to be prejudicial. Rogue batarian slave rings are feared throughout the galaxy, especially among colonists.

As you can see, it's same to assume that domestic slavers enslave fellow batarians. If they go rogue and start abducting other colonies, well... not the Hegemony's fault. 

Imo, it's obvious that BW wants you to hate Batarians.

I am going to end it here, the fact you somewhat defend slavery whatever the form or people who enforce it is.... mind bogling, so I am at a lost cause here, there are those that care, and those that dont.

So good day to ya.

[Phaedon]

Umm... I don't defend RL slavery,sorry for the misunderstanding, I'd just like to point out that it's OK for Batarian standards. Slavery is one of the worst possible crimes one can commit.

[Archereon]

Guys, this is a serious plothole. Get a dreadnought, hell, any ship, up to 99.999999% of the speed of light and crash it into a planet, and you will literally destroy the planet (or at least, all life on it). The kinetic energies involved with those speed are staggering.

At 70% of the speed of light, every kilogram of your craft contains the energy of about 300 grams of matter converted into energy. Now that might not sound so staggering, but you have to realize that a typical nuclear bomb releases about 4x10^15 joules of energy. 300 grams of matter converted into energy releases about 3x10^16 joules of energy, nearly 10 times more than a nuke.

If your craft weights about as much as the space shuttle, 100,000 kilograms I believe (or was it metric tons...), an impact gives off the energy of 700,000 nuclear bombs.


However, none of this is relevant so long as objects accelerated in a mass effect field velocity drops when they leave the field, which would mean kinetic energy is conserved (as the mass of the system increases, its velocity decreases as per the conservation of energy).

Modifié par Archereon, 03 septembre 2010 - 12:01 .