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[Computer_God91]

  I know this was discussed a billion times already but I'm curious as to who you picked to stay with the nuke and why. I left Kaidan to die because I never really knew him and liked Ash even though Liara was my LI. However, I always felt bad about the choice and hearing the story Dr.Chakwas tells when you get drunk together makes me feel even worse about leaving Kaidan.

[SonofMacPhisto]

I sent Kaidan with the Salarians because he's a LT. Higher rank, knows the protocols, has lead before. When I had to choose, I had to make sure the bomb would go off, no matter what. It really had nothing to do with either of them, but what made sense in terms of the mission.

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 29 août 2010 - 11:34 .

[Computer_God91]

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

I sent Kaidan with the Salarians because he's a LT. Higher rank, knows the protocols, has lead before. When I had to choose, I had to make sure the bomb would go off, no matter what. It really had nothing to do with either of them, but what made sense in terms of the mission.

So then you sacrificed Ashley? You choice makes alot more "real life" sense rather then the normal I hate this character so they died.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 29 août 2010 - 11:57 .

[Jmojocat]

Ash because she was my LI but once you have Liara there really is no need foe him as a biotic. Plus he ****es and moans most of the time.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Computer_God91 wrote...

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

I sent Kaidan with the Salarians because he's a LT. Higher rank, knows the protocols, has lead before. When I had to choose, I had to make sure the bomb would go off, no matter what. It really had nothing to do with either of them, but what made sense in terms of the mission.

So then you sacrificed Ashley? You choice makes alot more "real life" sense rather then the normal I hate this character so they died.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't very clear.  Since Kaidan went with the Salarians, he ended up on the AA tower.  Ashley was at the bomb site, so she ended up surviving.  That's one of the reasons I love ME, because I'll always remember that first playthrough due to decisions like this.

Full disclosure: Ashley was a LI interest at the time, though I ended up with Liara (they confronted me right after the briefing, yeah, that was fun!  Lol.)  I really liked Kaidan, too.  Those facts did indeed enter my mind on Virmire, but the mission came first, the base had to go.  If Ashley, or any other squad member were on the AA tower, they would have been gone.

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 30 août 2010 - 12:14 .

[Clone 071]

First time playing ME, I left Kaidan to guard the bomb because of his tech expertise and sent Ash to lead the Salarian STG diversion team because of her combat skills. (Only later did I find out that it didn't matter who did what) When the time came to make the ultimate sacrifice, after maybe 15 minutes of deciding, I ended up sacrificing Kaidan and saving Ash at the AA tower. She is my LI after all, and I don't see the need to romance any other.
Honestly, I was literally shocked when that event came up. I somewhat regret sacrificing Kaidan, yet I don't. It was a tough decision that proves that even the best plans (such as getting everyone out alive) can go horribly wrong. Both characters are great to get to know, and I regret having to leave one behind.

Edit: @SonofMacPhisto
Although I completely understand why you decided who does what and saved the one guarding the bomb (I'd do the same in a real life situation), it doesn't matter who you save as the bomb will end up going off and destroying the base either way.

Modifié par Clone 071, 30 août 2010 - 01:07 .

[Pacifien]

I know the original poster is asking a different question from the one in the other Ashley or Kaidan thread, but it's just a few posts down and people's responses pretty much answer the question:

*Click Here*

[Computer_God91]

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

I sent Kaidan with the Salarians because he's a LT. Higher rank, knows the protocols, has lead before. When I had to choose, I had to make sure the bomb would go off, no matter what. It really had nothing to do with either of them, but what made sense in terms of the mission.

So then you sacrificed Ashley? You choice makes alot more "real life" sense rather then the normal I hate this character so they died.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't very clear.  Since Kaidan went with the Salarians, he ended up on the AA tower.  Ashley was at the bomb site, so she ended up surviving.  That's one of the reasons I love ME, because I'll always remember that first playthrough due to decisions like this.

Full disclosure: Ashley was a LI interest at the time, though I ended up with Liara (they confronted me right after the briefing, yeah, that was fun!  Lol.)  I really liked Kaidan, too.  Those facts did indeed enter my mind on Virmire, but the mission came first, the base had to go.  If Ashley, or any other squad member were on the AA tower, they would have been gone.

Oh, ok. The only time I ended up leaving Ash was because my first playthrough she was my LI and I had no idea you could romance Liara (I didn't talk to her alot, if at all because I was focused on Ash the first run) and the second playthrough I wanted to romance Liara because i liked her alot more and to prevent the game from forcing me to be with Ash I killed her, I also didn't know that game would have a confrontation if you talked to both. I always left Kaidan but I still feel bad that I left him to die, I hate hearing that story Dr.Chakwas tells about Jenkins and Kaidan. Have to love Bioware for those choices. They should have more choices like that, ME2 lacked those, hopefully ME3 will have hard choices like that.

[Clone 071]

Computer_God91 wrote...
I always left Kaidan but I still feel bad that I left him to die, I hate hearing that story Dr.Chakwas tells about Jenkins and Kaidan. Have to love Bioware for those choices. They should have more choices like that, ME2 lacked those, hopefully ME3 will have hard choices like that.

Honestly, I didn't like those hard sacrifice choices, but it makes the game more realistic that I have to like it. The only hard choice in ME2 so far was in Zaeed's loyalty mission, which was just the equivalent of ME's Bring Down the Sky mission. Both didn't have the same feeling as the Virmire sacrifice.

Modifié par Clone 071, 30 août 2010 - 03:14 .

[Computer_God91]

Clone 071 wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...
I always left Kaidan but I still feel bad that I left him to die, I hate hearing that story Dr.Chakwas tells about Jenkins and Kaidan. Have to love Bioware for those choices. They should have more choices like that, ME2 lacked those, hopefully ME3 will have hard choices like that.

Honestly, I didn't like those hard sacrifice choices, but it makes the game more realistic that I have to like it. The only hard choice in ME2 so far was in Zaeed's loyalty mission, which was just the equivalent of ME's Bring Down the Sky mission. Both didn't have the same feeling as the Virmire sacrifice.

Exactly, Bioware needs another tough choice like Virmire. Though it doesn't have to be Sacrifice This Sqaudmate or that one. Some could argue that the Geth choice is a though one but still doesn't have the impact the Virmire had. I still hate that Kaidan is dead but I hate thinking that Ash has to die for him to live. The only choices that come really close are the end game choices I'd say.

[V-rex]

Ashley is the one I save, consistently.



Like I've played the game twenty times and I romanced her every single time. I like myself some Ash, let me tell ya.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Clone 071 wrote...

Edit: @SonofMacPhisto
Although I completely understand why you decided who does what and saved the one guarding the bomb (I'd do the same in a real life situation), it doesn't matter who you save as the bomb will end up going off and destroying the base either way.

That's true, but I didn't know it at the time.

As others have been discussing, regarding equally tough choices in ME2, I think there are plenty.  A tough choice doesn't mean someone dies no matter what you do.  While some choices will work out no matter what, the first time through the scenario, you DON'T know that.  For example,

1) Garrus' loyalty mission: by saving Sidonis, I risked Garrus' loyalty.  'Don't get in my way, Shepard.'

2) Tali and the vents: I romanced her, but I needed someone for that job.  I wanted Legion's combat abilities, so I sent Tali.  With her on the line, those Collector's never stood a chance. 

There's more, of course, but those are two that, to me, were equally as nerve-racking as Virmire.

[Hobosapien]

First run I saved Ash. She was also my LI, but my choice was based on who I felt was the hardest pressed at the time. Kaiden as an officer and with a team of STG's had, imo, the best chance of success w/o my help. Awesome part of the game, hope to see more in ME3.

[Stormy-B]

In my first playthrough I was absolutely shocked when the Virmire mission took place, first I had to talk down Wrex, which that first time felt horribly tense, was he going to see my sensible reasoning as too meak and attack me? And then the Salarian wants me to split up my team? I sent Ashley with the Salarians thinking that her combat skills at all ranges would benefit her over Kaidan. When the big choice came I just sat there and stared, after a few minutes I reluctantly decided to save Ashley since I felt that she was a better asset combatwise.
To this day though, three out of my four sheps leave Ash behind. Simply because I like Kaidan better as a character.

[Computer_God91]

Stormy-B wrote...

In my first playthrough I was absolutely shocked when the Virmire mission took place, first I had to talk down Wrex, which that first time felt horribly tense, was he going to see my sensible reasoning as too meak and attack me? And then the Salarian wants me to split up my team? I sent Ashley with the Salarians thinking that her combat skills at all ranges would benefit her over Kaidan. When the big choice came I just sat there and stared, after a few minutes I reluctantly decided to save Ashley since I felt that she was a better asset combatwise.
To this day though, three out of my four sheps leave Ash behind. Simply because I like Kaidan better as a character.

One thing that made the choice a little easier was that I never talked to Kaidan so I didn't really know him but now that hes dead I looked up his character because I was curious about who I left to die. I think about saving him but then I look at Ash and I can't leave her behind because of her history and probably the fact that she is a woman.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Ashley has (or will have) about a 75% survival rate on my main games. I have two more planned where I saved or will save each Ashley and Kaiden once more.

[TheAzureVanguard]

I've got 8 Shepards....Ashley is only alive in 2 of em.



And mostly so I can screw with the character in ME3 and be mean to her. She's a racist and a horrible person IMO.



The male Shepard romanced her in ME1 and cheated on her in 2 with Miranda (can't wait to see that confrontation!).



The femShepard romanced Kaidan who unfortunately died on Virmire.....I'm going for tragic romance figurine with this femShepard. She loved this guy and had to let him die for the sake of the mission. Anyways that allowed the witch Ashley to live. And in ME2 this same femShep romanced and slept with Jacob only to dump him after the suicide mission.

[Titanmike357]

Question.



What happens if you LI Ash and leave her to die? How does this carry over to ME2?

I think if no one has a answer its what I will do simply because when I start over from ME-1 to 2 I am going to kill Ash off and then go with some one else in ME2.



I am just wondering, I prefer the female LI's in ME2 over those in ME1 and I wonder what will happen between them all.



I think I am going to be very busy, I need to finish ME 2 right now. Then I got to do ME1 at least three times, and a second ME 2 after.



its a good thing I enjoy ME-1/2 so much.

[cihimi]

If I could, I would tie them both on the nuke without even a second glance.

[IRMcGhee]

Titanmike357 wrote...

Question.

What happens if you LI Ash and leave her to die? How does this carry over to ME2?
I think if no one has a answer its what I will do simply because when I start over from ME-1 to 2 I am going to kill Ash off and then go with some one else in ME2.

There's no real fallout if your LI dies on Virmire (either one). I think you can answer Miranda in such a way that you can imply a relationship (when she's questioning you in the shuttle at the beginning), but I don't remember it being otherwise mentioned. Reasonable enough really, it was a pretty short affair two years before the sequel starts. 

[i love lamp x3]

Computer_God91 wrote...

  I know this was discussed a billion times already but I'm curious as to who you picked to stay with the nuke and why. I left Kaidan to die because I never really knew him and liked Ash even though Liara was my LI. However, I always felt bad about the choice and hearing the story Dr.Chakwas tells when you get drunk together makes me feel even worse about leaving Kaidan.

she tells the story either way. i sacrified ash and i feel bad. there's no winning here, it's sad either way. there's a reason they can both be LI's

[Kriztaen]

On my "roleplayfullpersonalcanonperfect" playthrough I left Ash on Virmire. I let Kaiden team up with the Salarians as he was a higher rank and was also more powerful due to his tech/biotic skills which would boost the Salarian team's chances of survival.

I took Ash as a team mate to the bomb site (kinda bittersweet that she personally fought her way to that position). When Kaidan called in saying his team was taking heavy fire I left to go save them and when the choice came up between the two I picked Kaidan for the simple fact that he had more people with him and going back for Ash would by extension cost more lives.

Though I do like Kaidan more than Ash, that choice was actually taken from a roleplay standpoint without any real bias. Just like how I chose to let Kate Bowman die as a neccessary cruelty and kill Balak since even as a Paragon I had to realize that Balak escaping would likely cause many more deaths. It was really a choice of weighing the pro's and cons from an RP perspective....

Kirrahe pretty much already told us that once the bomb was set there was little to nothing that could disable it...had to make a choice...took the hard but fair one...

Edit: spelling errors...grrr

Modifié par Kriztaen, 11 septembre 2010 - 08:02 .

[TRISTAN WERBE]

id rather liara