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[tonnactus]

yorkj86 wrote...

Morinth was much younger than her mother, but could stand up to her in a biotic duel. Her mother had Justicar training, which includes substantial biotics training.  Had Morinth gone on killing, she likely could have become more powerful than her mother. Of course, Shepard would have permitted a killer to go on killing thousands, as the strength-gain Morinth gets from each brain-frying decreases each time she melds. That would be one thing for Shepard to consider in his moral deliberations.

Well,for a renegade player: She may killed thousands,but of course saved billions.

[coinop25]

I want to create a playthrough just to see what happens if you bring Morinth into your squad in ME3. Generally I can't let her live, though, because I get the willies having a serial killing rapist around.



I never just screw up the mission and let her go on purpose, though. Best case scenario there is that we get an email from her in the next game, if even that.

[Lewie]

tonnactus wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Morinth was much younger than her mother, but could stand up to her in a biotic duel. Her mother had Justicar training, which includes substantial biotics training.  Had Morinth gone on killing, she likely could have become more powerful than her mother. Of course, Shepard would have permitted a killer to go on killing thousands, as the strength-gain Morinth gets from each brain-frying decreases each time she melds. That would be one thing for Shepard to consider in his moral deliberations.

Well,for a renegade player: She may killed thousands,but of course saved billions.

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by that, but being renegade isn't about killing everyone you see or as in Morinth's case letting her kill all around her. Simply put, Morinth was like a rabid dog and needed put down.

[Roamingmachine]

I'm not someone to leave a job half done so no, letting her go never crossed my mind.Instead i recruited her (on Shepards with suitable personality).Samara and Morinth are both stone cold sociopathic killers but at least Morinth is honest about it.A killer who lies to herself about what she is and why she does what she does is just pathetic.

[Lewie]

Roamingmachine wrote...

I'm not someone to leave a job half done so no, letting her go never crossed my mind.Instead i recruited her (on Shepards with suitable personality).Samara and Morinth are both stone cold sociopathic killers but at least Morinth is honest about it.A killer who lies to herself about what she is and why she does what she does is just pathetic.

Samara is honest about it, she admits what she does regarding the code and why. Morinth says she is using 'her gift' which is honestly, luring people to her apartment with a false pretence. 'A killer' is a term you cant solely use against anyone in the mass effect world.

[adriano_c]

Opted to kill Samara about 50% of the time.

Modifié par adriano_c, 31 août 2010 - 04:19 .

[gunswordfist]

Esbatty wrote... So far I've never sided with Morinth but I just

might once just to bring her along on Grunt's

loyalty mission to see her break her Samara

impression and see Grunt freak out.

Whoa what? Tell me more.

[AresXX7]

gunswordfist wrote...

Esbatty wrote... So far I've never sided with Morinth but I just
might once just to bring her along on Grunt's
loyalty mission to see her break her Samara
impression and see Grunt freak out.

Whoa what? Tell me more.

here's a Link where you can read what the dialogue is

wish didy had a video for it, can't find one on youtube

[tonnactus]

yorkj86 wrote...



To the person being forced to make the choice, yes, it's not much of a choice at all.  Though, human societies lock their killers away,

Asari locked ardat yakshi away before they do any crime...
I completly understand her behavior.To be honest,she not even have a real choice to kill people or not,because she was
hunted by a powerfull biotic with the strenght of the matriarch.Each kill make morinth more powerfull,increase her chance to defeat her mother when a confrontation would happen.
So the best chance for her to survive is basicly to follow her nature and that was true at the end.She was as powerfull
as her mother despite so much younger and without special training.

Modifié par tonnactus, 31 août 2010 - 08:02 .

[tonnactus]

louise101 wrote...

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by that, but being renegade isn't about killing everyone

Morinth has the far higher biotic potential then her mother.

Simply put, Morinth was like a rabid dog and needed put down.

If morinth was really like a rabid dog,samara would got confront her far earlier then after 400 years.She is smart and could control herself when it is needed.She waited to consume shepardt until the collectors were defeated.

Modifié par tonnactus, 31 août 2010 - 08:08 .

[Kacynski]

Roamingmachine wrote...

I'm not someone to leave a job half done so no, letting her go never crossed my mind.Instead i recruited her (on Shepards with suitable personality).Samara and Morinth are both stone cold sociopathic killers but at least Morinth is honest about it.A killer who lies to herself about what she is and why she does what she does is just pathetic.

I didn't get the impression Samara was pretending not to be a killer, or pretending to be a "do-gooder". She is Justicar, and that means she kills people that are considered "unjust" according to her code. She is not a lawyer, not a policeman, not a judge - she is all of it at once, with the law being her code. And she does make it very clear, just listen to the conversation between her and detective Anaya at the beginning of her recruitment mission. I consider Samara very honest about her way of life.

What did strike me as very strange is, that the Asari society seems to pretty much accept the way of the Justicars and consider them as something essential even. From the words of detective Anaya I did get the feeling that according Asari law it would have been perfectly fine if Samara killed her after the 24h period. Make's me wonder what kind of criminals the Asari culture spawned in order to have something like the Justicars to take care of them ....

[Lewie]

tonnactus wrote...

louise101 wrote...

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by that, but being renegade isn't about killing everyone

Morinth has the far higher biotic potential then her mother.

Simply put, Morinth was like a rabid dog and needed put down.

If morinth was really like a rabid dog,samara would got confront her far earlier then after 400 years.She is smart and could control herself when it is needed.She waited to consume shepardt until the collectors were defeated.

I don't doubt morinths power by any means, im not so sure about controlling herself samara said she feeds off it, its like a high and the more she does it the more she needs/wants to. Morinths own mother said she had to die and killed her herself, she didn't show she was happy about it. Samaras code won't let her do anything dishonourable so that also says samara killing her daughter was right. We can't know why she was looking for morinth after 400 years that could easily be that samaras code, whenever that came into play, meant that samara had to then, or morinths 'disease' only started when she was older no-one knows.

[tonnactus]

yorkj86 wrote...
  It's not fair to her, but it's unfair to the people she would be killing, if she were allowed to run around. 

It really depends what people she would kill.The nef story never make any sense to me other then to make sure that
most players would choose samara.Just the talk about power,hunting etc.Hard to imagine a person like nef would be
interesting for her.
Why asari couldnt choose them for special tasks,like be assasins?And teach them to control theirself enough to only kill criminals?They want to kill?Give them the right people to kill.

Morinth's biotic potential would be realized long after the suicide mission.  For the suicide mission, she is as strong as her mother.

Right.But the reapers are not defeated by destroying/conquering the collector base alone.This would take time,years.
Shepardts ship is a relative save place for morinth.It make sense for her to stay there.

Modifié par tonnactus, 31 août 2010 - 04:30 .

[tonnactus]

louise101 wrote...
Samaras code won't let her do anything dishonourable so that also says samara killing her daughter was right.

Samaras isnt really more calculable.She attacked nihlus(shepardts mentor)  just for the reason a innocent person died on his mission what could happen in firefights.5000 sutras and shepardt didnt know any of them.There could be something "dishonerable" regarded by them shepardt would never expect.

[Lewie]

tonnactus wrote...

louise101 wrote...
Samaras code won't let her do anything dishonourable so that also says samara killing her daughter was right.

Samaras isnt really more calculable.She attacked nihlus(shepardts mentor)  just for the reason a innocent person died on his mission what could happen in firefights.5000 sutras and shepardt didnt know any of them.There could be something "dishonerable" regarded by them shepardt would never expect.

True, it is hard to speculate when you only know samara while she is under the code. After she could be a nightmare.

[didymos1120]

tonnactus wrote...
She attacked nihlus(shepardts mentor)  just for the reason a innocent person died on his mission what could happen in firefights.

No, she tells you she saw him kill an innocent.  That's it. The circumstances are never explained.

[Thompson family]

didymos1120 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
She attacked nihlus(shepardts mentor)  just for the reason a innocent person died on his mission what could happen in firefights.

No, she tells you she saw him kill an innocent.  That's it. The circumstances are never explained.

As I recall, Nihlus was in pursuit of a very serious criminal and either deliberately put an innocent at risk or actually killed someone to "get the job done," so to speak. Somebody needs to replay that scene. I think I'll have the opportunity within the next week or so.

[Lewie]

yorkj86 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

louise101 wrote...
Samaras code won't let her do anything dishonourable so that also says samara killing her daughter was right.

Samaras isnt really more calculable.She attacked nihlus(shepardts mentor)  just for the reason a innocent person died on his mission what could happen in firefights.5000 sutras and shepardt didnt know any of them.There could be something "dishonerable" regarded by them shepardt would never expect.

She witnessed him kill an innocent person.  That's why she went after him.

She tells us the basic tenets of the Code.  Protect the innocent, punish the wicked.  Be neutral, and impartial.  The conscience of the woman who is a Justicar is immaterial.  "If a Justicar is involved, peaceful negotiations are long past."  I'd say we'd know what to expect.   She falls perfectly within Lawful Neutral.  

Very true, it reflects in her whole demeanour.

[didymos1120]

Thompson family wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
She attacked nihlus(shepardts mentor)  just for the reason a innocent person died on his mission what could happen in firefights.

No, she tells you she saw him kill an innocent.  That's it. The circumstances are never explained.

As I recall, Nihlus was in pursuit of a very serious criminal and either deliberately put an innocent at risk or actually killed someone to "get the job done," so to speak. Somebody needs to replay that scene. I think I'll have the opportunity within the next week or so.

She doesn't say anything much:

"A turian named Nihlus.  He may have been on Council business, but I witnessed him kill an unarmed civilian.  Following the code, I attacked."

That's it.

[Count Viceroy]

What ever he was doing at the time, he was obviously sidetracked by Samara, as she mentions them playing cat and mouse in the jungle for a week.

Also, that sounds a bit naughty.


Rawr.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 31 août 2010 - 06:19 .