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[tonnactus]

yorkj86 wrote...

I don't know why they don't train them to be Dexters.  I suspect it has something to do with the asari concern for their popular image on the galactic political stage.

And because of that,ardat yakshi had to suffer?They could limit this at the asari space,just like with justicars.
And/or terminus systems. And the galactic political stage doesnt seem to aknowledge anything,but ok,thats bad writing.

If you're advocating Shepard letting Morinth run around killing people to gain power, then that would be a reason for her to stay, but that would require a particularly Renegade Shepard. 

Shepardt,renegade or not,fought and fight enough bad guys for her hunger.Could even use her for interrogation.Her mindmanipulating powers are an advantage.

As for why she chose to kill Nef, perhaps she had never killed a human before, or she was just looking for a cheap, easy "hit".

I doubt it.She didnt kill her immediatly. And there seems to be enough humans at asari planets,at least at illium.

[tonnactus]

yorkj86 wrote...


She witnessed him kill an innocent person.  That's why she went after him.

She tells us the basic tenets of the Code.  Protect the innocent, punish the wicked.

Sounds good,to bad that the asari detective wasnt innocent in her eyes if she tried to stop her.It isnt as easy as it sounds.

[didymos1120]

yorkj86 wrote...
As for why she chose to kill Nef, perhaps she had never killed a human before, or she was just looking for a cheap, easy "hit".

Samara:  "She was creative?  How so?

Diana: "She was a sculptor.  Several galleries were interested in her, said her work was fresh."

After examining Nef's stuff:

Samara:  "This is Morinth's work.  She's attracted to artists and creators.  Someone with a spark, slightly isolated form their peers."

There you go: mystery solved.

[didymos1120]

tonnactus wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...


She witnessed him kill an innocent person.  That's why she went after him.

She tells us the basic tenets of the Code.  Protect the innocent, punish the wicked.

Sounds good,to bad that the asari detective wasnt innocent in her eyes if she tried to stop her.It isnt as easy as it sounds.

Basic tenets.  She also tells you the code will not allow her to tolerate detainment for more than a day.  And cops aren't unarmed civilians, which is the actual reason she attacked Nihlus.

Modifié par didymos1120, 31 août 2010 - 06:30 .

[tonnactus]

didymos1120 wrote...


Samara:  "This is Morinth's work.  She's attracted to artists and creators.  Someone with a spark, slightly isolated form their peers."

The dialogue never make sense regarding her apartment and her dialog with shepardt.(well,a lot things in MAss Effect2
seems to be bad written)
Sculptures?One of a krogan
that didnt make it himself(the thing has more personality then him),a revenant from a warlord,a sword and then all the
talk about dangerous travel and power. This doesnt seem to fit at all.

Modifié par tonnactus, 31 août 2010 - 07:14 .

[tonnactus]

didymos1120 wrote...


Basic tenets.  She also tells you the code will not allow her to tolerate detainment for more than a day.  And cops aren't unarmed civilians, which is the actual reason she attacked Nihlus.

The cop is innocent by normal standards,armed or not.

[Thompson family]

tonnactus wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...


Samara:  "This is Morinth's work.  She's attracted to artists and creators.  Someone with a spark, slightly isolated form their peers."

The dialogue never make sense regarding her apartment and her dialog with shepardt.

[didymos1120]

tonnactus wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...


Basic tenets.  She also tells you the code will not allow her to tolerate detainment for more than a day.  And cops aren't unarmed civilians, which is the actual reason she attacked Nihlus.

The cop is innocent by normal standards,armed or not.

Never said she wasn't.  I said she wasn't an unarmed civilian.

[tonnactus]

Thompson family wrote...

What you didnt understand? That her victims would be more like her in character,like warlords and other criminals rather then girls like nef.

Modifié par tonnactus, 31 août 2010 - 07:39 .

[didymos1120]

tonnactus wrote...
Sculptures?One of a krogan
that didnt make it himself(the thing has more personality then him),a revenant from a warlord,a sword and then all the
talk about dangerous travel and power. This doesnt seem to fit at all.

So you're just ignoring all the conversation you can have about art and music and vids in the club in addition to Samara's dialogue then?  Well, if you're gonna ignore stuff that contradicts you for no good reason, have at it.  Just don't expect anyone to think your assertions about what does and does not make sense have any merit.

Oh, and the Krogan statue?  It's a sculpture.  Who sculpted it is immaterial.

[tonnactus]

didymos1120 wrote...


So you're just ignoring all the conversation you can have about art and music and vids in the club in addition to Samara's dialogue then? 

But if i remember it right,shepardt has to pass all those checks,not only the ones about art,music and vids.

[Thompson family]

tonnactus wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

What you didnt understand? That her victims would be more like her in character,like warlords and other criminals rather then girls like nef.

Well, first off, Mornith's victims are clearly not warlords and other criminals because of the quote just provided. She preys upon isolated people and prefers creative ones.

You contend that doesn't make much sense -- when in fact every predator I ever heard of picks off people isolated from the herd.

Even when she hunts Shepard, she gets him alone and isolated. She thinks she has the advantage of surprise.

"Pick a fight and she'll be bored." Doesn't sound like somebody who hunts criminals to me.

[tonnactus]

Thompson family wrote...


Well, first off, Mornith's victims are clearly not warlords and other criminals because of the quote just provided. She preys upon isolated people and prefers creative ones.

I just ask.Do you really think nef likes danger and to have power? Do you think that make sense?

"Pick a fight and she'll be bored." Doesn't sound like somebody who hunts criminals to me.

She doesnt pick idiots who come for fistfights in the club,right. But i think someone like donovan hock would be exactly
what she wants.

[Thompson family]

It all boils down to this:

Nef wasn't a warlord or a criminal. Even if you believe Morinth mostly preys upon warlords and criminals — and you're all right with that — she still kills innocents along the way and has for 400 years.

Modifié par Thompson family, 31 août 2010 - 07:56 .

[Lewie]

tonnactus wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...


Samara:  "This is Morinth's work.  She's attracted to artists and creators.  Someone with a spark, slightly isolated form their peers."

The dialogue never make sense regarding her apartment and her dialog with shepardt.(well,a lot things in MAss Effect2
seems to be bad written)
Sculptures?One of a krogan
that didnt make it himself(the thing has more personality then him),a revenant from a warlord,a sword and then all the
talk about dangerous travel and power. This doesnt seem to fit at all.

The way samara quoted morinth downplays her dark side, a 'demon of the night winds' is what morinth is. Why she is attracted to creative people is maybe something genetic that happens when she frys your insides.

[Thompson family]

Let’s strip this down to the essentials:
Morinth’s a predator.
She’ll kill what she can catch.

She’s like a lioness. She may prefer an antelope to a Cape Buffalo or a Cape Buffalo to an antelope, but she’ll kill either one if she’s hungry and can catch it.
Saying the writing of ME2 is bad because some lioness in it kills an antelope and then is lured into a trap by a Cape Buffalo is taking a very restrictive view of predators.

Modifié par Thompson family, 31 août 2010 - 08:33 .

[Lewie]

Thompson family wrote...

Let’s strip this down to the essentials:
Morinth’s a predator.
She’ll kill what she can catch.

She’s like a lioness. She may prefer an antelope to a Cape Buffalo or a Cape Buffalo to an antelope, but she’ll kill either one if she’s hungry and can catch it.
Saying the writing of ME2 is bad because some lioness in it kills an antelope and then is lured into a trap by a Cape Buffalo is taking a very restrictive view of predators.

When diagnosed, afflicted asari are given a choice: live in isolation or be executed. (Wiki)

Predators can die, but Morinth has been clever, samara has been hunting her for a long time.

If they both survive the suicide mission, Shepard can choose to mate with her as promised; however Morinth's claims prove to be a bluff and Shepard painfully dies during joining, leading to a 'critical mission failure' game over message. (Wiki)

I did not know this lol. Haha. Game Over.

[tonnactus]

Thompson family wrote...

She’ll kill what she can catch.

That is wrong.The guy who wanted to buy her tickets was completly ignored by her.

[didymos1120]

tonnactus wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

She’ll kill what she can catch.

That is wrong.The guy who wanted to buy her tickets was completly ignored by her.

Uh, yeah and?  The whole point of the analogy (rather than the single sentence you've plucked completely out of context) is that she's not required to have one type of victim, and only one type of victim.  That's not the same thing as saying she's totally indiscriminate and will mind-rape anything that moves.

[BHRamsay]

Roamingmachine wrote...

I'm not someone to leave a job half done so no, letting her go never crossed my mind.Instead i recruited her (on Shepards with suitable personality).Samara and Morinth are both stone cold sociopathic killers but at least Morinth is honest about it.A killer who lies to herself about what she is and why she does what she does is just pathetic.

I don't see Samara as being in any kind of denial about what she does or why she does it. Her evoking the Samurai with their occasionally harsh Bushido Code should be a big clue that Shepard and by extension , the player are the only ones who are confused about the harsh nature of life and death choice among the Justicar

Killing because you want to or because you need to might make a kind of sense to you and I but the victim winds up just as dead as when they are killed because Rule 34 in some Rule Book said so. ---and the average person can avoid being killed by Samra just by staying true to the general accepted rule of law ---- I doubt Morinth was very honest with Nef while she was stalking or seducing her but then that's just my read I could be wrong. 

[upsettingshorts]

Morinth is a serial killer. She searches for a specific type of victim. She kills them in a particular way.



There's not that much to it, really.