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[KaiTao]

I don't know about shield brother silent strong warrior. It can be done well or it can be done badly, and even if done well it still sounds like it would be rather boring seeing as most relationships between characters are done via dialogue... and it's rather hard to build anything when you'll have Hawke monologue his way into the relationship.



Zevran was not as bad as some might claim in this thread, actually Morrigan to me was harder to swallow then him since the guy gives you plenty of chances to turn down before he starts insinuating himself in your tent, as opposed to Morrigan who almost barges into your bed... and telling her to get a thicker blanket and leave you alone always gets you - approval even if you never flirted with her before.



As for the subject at hand, I said before I'm all for M+M relationships in DA2, the only thing I would prefer is if the character will have a twist to it. I sure hope the character won;t feel guilty for his preferences and won't be apologizing for it or justifying it to you over and over like Zev sometimes did, I also hope it will be somewhat aesthetically pleasing, and not two bears hugging (that's just my preference towards no eye bleeding moments) and it would be nice if they had some sense of humor at times, not a retarded kind like Alistair, but more of a sarcastic kind like Bishop for example.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

shootist70 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

. I would prefare either a more serious fighter ( though it would be hard to write a romance for the strong, silent type considering video game romances are driven by dialog) 

Why stick with the strong, silent type? I'm going to push my idea for the shield-brother again (detailed earlier in the thread). The character could be centered around the sort of vows and warrior/lover bond I pointed out there. The romance could be initiated by an offer to take the bond after the initial friendship, so it could be easily signposted. It's a bit clumsy, but some folks here seem to want things to be made pretty obvious. That's fair enough, I guess.

I'd find the kind of relationship your suggesting really interesting to play through. Cookies for you. And muffins.

[Arrtis]

A blind person can be quite confortable with their disability.
Also who knows when they became blind.
If they are a capable warrior I imagine they are independant.
Well....It can work in many ways depending on their personality I suppose.
It would be new for Dragonage at least.
They had only 1 blind warrior.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Collider wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

shootist70 wrote...
All the player needs is a clear and obvious way to decline without any plot-related repercussions. If anybody asks for censorship beyond that then they have moral issues that no writer should attempt to compensate for.

Small quibble, I think there should be plot repercussions for rejecting an affair or someone's advances depending on the situation and character. Certain characters (a bitter noble, a jealous Captain ect) wouldn't let something like cheating on them or flat out refusing their advances slide.

The most important thing - for party members - for me is that there should be meaningful interaction with them without having to romance them.

Yes please. In ME2 I couldn't even find a way to befriend Jack without it ending in her saying I was just "pissing around" and refusing to talk to me.

Shepard: "Uhh, what? I'm gay."

[Collider]

shootist70 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I agree on principle, but that is not the case realistically. Not everything that someone could think up in their head could reasonably be put into a Bioware game. Though this is not a moral issue in particular. It has more to do with the comfort and convenience of some players.

You're essentially asking for mature themes to be treated in a very immature manner.

I'm sorry, but you are misinterpreting me. Please do not put words into my mouth, because I never said nor want anything remotely close to that. For one thing I don't even consider homosexuality to be a "mature issue." I kind of feel like you're making a mountain out of anthill here - I was not trying to imply that freedom of expression should be stifled. I said it was smart (PR, business wise) to have same sex flirting to be initiated by the player- I didn't say they should have to.

[exoproto]

Arrtis wrote...

A blind person can be quite confortable with their disability.
Also who knows when they became blind.
If they are a capable warrior I imagine they are independant.
Well....It can work in many ways depending on their personality I suppose.
It would be new for Dragonage at least.
They had only 1 blind warrior.

Indeed, but other people might not be so comfortable. It could easily be a deal breaker, you know?

It would be an interesting concept at least, whether it be for a s/s romance or a regular romance.

[Collider]

That amounts to the same thing in practice.

What does :/

[Arrtis]

Have some diversity.

The male on male option zevran already hit on you right at the start,

Why again?

[shootist70]

Collider wrote...


I'm sorry, but you are misinterpreting me. Please do not put words into my mouth, because I never said nor want anything remotely close to that. For one thing I don't even consider homosexuality to be a "mature issue." I kind of feel like you're making a mountain out of anthill here - I was not trying to imply that freedom of expression should be stifled. I said it was smart (PR, business wise) to have same sex flirting to be initiated by the player- I didn't say they should have to.

Fair enough. Maybe I'm zeroing in a bit too quickly here, but the whole 'let's water it down so as not to offend certain people' really gets up my nose. Material for a western, mature, general audience may well offend some folks if they have certain moral issues. If so they should exercise their own censorship and steer clear, not inflict it on everybody else.

Modifié par shootist70, 31 août 2010 - 01:45 .

[Arrtis]

Hard to inflict self censoring if the game tries to force it on you with flirting.

That alone would offend some.

[Collider]

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

That amounts to the same thing in practice.

What does :/

censoring for PR and and treating mature content like it was meant for pre teens. 

Please tell me where I advocated censorship.

[Arrtis]

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

That amounts to the same thing in practice.

What does :/

censoring for PR and and treating mature content like it was meant for pre teens. 

Bioware did that already though...

[Arrtis]

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

That amounts to the same thing in practice.

What does :/

censoring for PR and and treating mature content like it was meant for pre teens. 

Please tell me where I advocated censorship.

You said tailoring the game to avoid bad pr or something to that effect, didn't you? That's the same as censoring..

Seems Bioware is fine with doing that.

[Arrtis]

MariSkep wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

That amounts to the same thing in practice.

What does :/

censoring for PR and and treating mature content like it was meant for pre teens. 

Bioware did that already though...

which is why we have a Zevran who constantly tries to justify his bisexuality.

When did zevran do this?
He only ever talks about it if you ask.

[Collider]

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

That amounts to the same thing in practice.

What does :/

censoring for PR and and treating mature content like it was meant for pre teens. 

Please tell me where I advocated censorship.

You said tailoring the game to avoid bad pr or something to that effect, didn't you? That's the same as censoring..

No, I said it was smart business wise. I did not say they should have to do it. In addition, it's not impossible to write a character who's personality causes them not to flirt until the other person has first shown interest.

[Arrtis]

Collider wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

That amounts to the same thing in practice.

What does :/

censoring for PR and and treating mature content like it was meant for pre teens. 

Please tell me where I advocated censorship.

You said tailoring the game to avoid bad pr or something to that effect, didn't you? That's the same as censoring..

No, I said it was smart business wise. I did not say they should have to do it. In addition, it's not impossible to write a character who's personality causes them not to flirt until the other person has first shown interest.

I think your talking to a troll....so there may not be much of a point.
Considering you have already repeated yourself.

[Arrtis]

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

That amounts to the same thing in practice.

What does :/

censoring for PR and and treating mature content like it was meant for pre teens. 

Please tell me where I advocated censorship.

You said tailoring the game to avoid bad pr or something to that effect, didn't you? That's the same as censoring..

No, I said it was smart business wise. I did not say they should have to do it. In addition, it's not impossible to write a character who's personality causes them not to flirt until the other person has first shown interest.

I didn't say you said they should (and if I did I apologize) I was only pointing out that both result in the same thing.

And that's still censoring because you're tailoring a character to avoid angering a certain group.

Censorship is a good thing...theres enough hate in the world.

[Collider]

Now I see what you're saying, Mari. Well, we don't have much to argue about anymore.