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[Arrtis]

My patch/dlc idea stands.

If the patch is a waste lets make the male on male romance a dlc so they can pay for it.

Of course make it cheap enough also.

[shootist70]

Collider wrote...

I said it was smart business wise. I did not say they should have to do it. In addition, it's not impossible to write a character who's personality causes them not to flirt until the other person has first shown interest.

It's not that in itself that's the issue. It's your rationalisation for it, your reason for its necessity, that's the problem - given what I said earlier that all the player needs is a clear and obvious option to decline character advances. Who are you trying to appease and why?

Modifié par shootist70, 31 août 2010 - 02:02 .

[Collider]

shootist70 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I said it was smart business wise. I did not say they should have to do it. In addition, it's not impossible to write a character who's personality causes them not to flirt until the other person has first shown interest.

It's not that in itself that's the issue. It's your rationalisation for it, your reason for its necessity, that's the problem - given what I said earlier that all the player needs is a clear and obvious option to decline character advances. Who are you trying to appease and why?

Oh my god. I never said it was needed.

[Arrtis]

shootist70 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I said it was smart business wise. I did not say they should have to do it. In addition, it's not impossible to write a character who's personality causes them not to flirt until the other person has first shown interest.

It's not that in itself that's the issue. It's your rationalisation for it, your reason for its necessity, that's the problem - given what I said earlier that all the player needs is a clear and obvious option to decline character romance/sex advances. Who are you trying to appease and why?

Why is it necessary that they be hit on?
It makes no sense to be against the idea?

[exoproto]

Arrtis wrote...

My patch/dlc idea stands.
If the patch is a waste lets make the male on male romance a dlc so they can pay for it.
Of course make it cheap enough also.

No. Just no. For one, it could easily enough be garnered that you'd have no problem if there were a female / female romance in game. Not just that, but that is just a complete lack of respect to make you pay for content that as included in the first game. If they're going to do that, they may as well make all romances a DLC or a patch. Or better yet, how about a DLC that lets you make your character any other minority!

<_<

[shootist70]

Arrtis wrote...

Why is it necessary that they be hit on?
It makes no sense to be against the idea?

My reasons are clear. Given that increased character interaction and character autonomy would be a fantastic direction for this genre to move in, especially when it comes to romantic, emotive content (it's the stuff that all fiction/drama lovers dreams are made of), what are your reasons to block certain aspects of that?

[Arrtis]

shootist70 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Why is it necessary that they be hit on?
It makes no sense to be against the idea?

My reasons are clear. Given that increased character interaction and character autonomy would be a fantastic direction for this genre to move in, especially when it comes to romantic, emotive content (it's the stuff that all fiction/drama lovers dreams are made of), what are your reasons to block certain aspects of that?

Diversity.
We had zevran do it right at the start.
Why again?

[Arrtis]

exoproto wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

My patch/dlc idea stands.
If the patch is a waste lets make the male on male romance a dlc so they can pay for it.
Of course make it cheap enough also.

No. Just no. For one, it could easily enough be garnered that you'd have no problem if there were a female / female romance in game. Not just that, but that is just a complete lack of respect to make you pay for content that as included in the first game. If they're going to do that, they may as well make all romances a DLC or a patch. Or better yet, how about a DLC that lets you make your character any other minority!

<_<

I think your reading too much into it.

[shootist70]

Arrtis wrote...

Diversity.
We had zevran do it right at the start.
Why again?

?

...seems like the last gasp before drowning

[exoproto]

Arrtis wrote...


I think your reading too much into it.

Not quite. Believe me when I say there are others who would've gone on saying much more than I did. Not to mention that making such a move would be incredibly unwise for the PR.

Modifié par exoproto, 31 août 2010 - 02:15 .

[Arrtis]

shootist70 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Diversity.
We had zevran do it right at the start.
Why again?

?

...seems like the last gasp before drowning

?
What?

Modifié par Arrtis, 31 août 2010 - 02:15 .

[Arrtis]

exoproto wrote...

Arrtis wrote...


I think your reading too much into it.

Not quite. Believe me when I say there are others who would've gone on saying much more than I did. Not to mention that making such a move would be incredibly unwise for the PR.

Would make much more money imo.
Might be worth it.

[Mike2640]

Unfortunately I cant see Bioware going for a gay Hawke in DA2, male or female. Their intent is to sell ten million copies; they cant risk upsetting mainstream "sensibilities" or the media.
After release they'll probably say something about it, how "When we were imagining this character, we didn't envision him/her with homosexuality in mind". So that's why there will most likely be blood and gore everywhere, but all the sexual maturity of a Sunday School student.

I certainly hope I'm wrong, but sadly, I doubt it. The goal isn't a deeper role-playing experience, it's selling ten million copies.

EDIT: Also I dont know what the big deal is with Zev hitting on you. He did it and, like with Morrigan, I told him I wasn't interested. They both backed off with minimal disapproval.

Modifié par Mike2640, 31 août 2010 - 02:20 .

[exoproto]

Arrtis wrote...

exoproto wrote...

Arrtis wrote...


I think your reading too much into it.

Not quite. Believe me when I say there are others who would've gone on saying much more than I did. Not to mention that making such a move would be incredibly unwise for the PR.

Would make much more money imo.
Might be worth it.

I wouldn't even buy it if they did that.

Talk about a smack to the face.

[Collider]

Mike2640 wrote...

Unfortunately I cant see Bioware going for a gay Hawke in DA2, male or female. Their intent is to sell ten million copies; they cant risk upsetting mainstream "sensibilities" or the media.
After release they'll probably say something about it, how "When we were imagining this character, we didn't envision him/her with homosexuality in mind". So that's why there will most likely be blood and gore everywhere, but all the sexual maturity of a Sunday School student.

I certainly hope I'm wrong, but sadly, I doubt it. The goal isn't a deeper role-playing experience, it's selling ten million copies.

The goal of every Bioware game ever created has been partly to sell copies. DA2 is not somehow different from that model.

[Arrtis]

I rather think that most people do not just go and hit on you.

Morrigan did not hit on you even though she took an interest.

*she also does not offer to sleep with you if you do not gain approval*

No one but zevran did.

It always had to be after they really liked or adored you before they hit on you.

Not when they get a little interested.

[Mike2640]

Collider wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

Unfortunately I cant see Bioware going for a gay Hawke in DA2, male or female. Their intent is to sell ten million copies; they cant risk upsetting mainstream "sensibilities" or the media.
After release they'll probably say something about it, how "When we were imagining this character, we didn't envision him/her with homosexuality in mind". So that's why there will most likely be blood and gore everywhere, but all the sexual maturity of a Sunday School student.

I certainly hope I'm wrong, but sadly, I doubt it. The goal isn't a deeper role-playing experience, it's selling ten million copies.

The goal of every Bioware game ever created has been partly to sell copies. DA2 is not somehow different from that model.

Selling copies, yes, but this is the first time that they were told upfront how many copies their game needed to sell.
www.videogamer.com/news/10_million_sales_is_biowares_new_target.html

Whether or not they hit that mark will determine whether DA2, and most likely ME3, was successful or not. They're not going to take a chance and risk that.

EDIT: Also Mariskep, I'm not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but mildly implied sexuality has always been okay, aslong as they go no further than that. Cleavage is "acceptable", but that's pretty close to the limit, it seems.

Modifié par Mike2640, 31 août 2010 - 02:27 .

[Chris Readman]

Arrtis wrote...

exoproto wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

My patch/dlc idea stands.
If the patch is a waste lets make the male on male romance a dlc so they can pay for it.
Of course make it cheap enough also.

No. Just no. For one, it could easily enough be garnered that you'd have no problem if there were a female / female romance in game. Not just that, but that is just a complete lack of respect to make you pay for content that as included in the first game. If they're going to do that, they may as well make all romances a DLC or a patch. Or better yet, how about a DLC that lets you make your character any other minority!

<_<

I think your reading too much into it.

I think you're not trying to understand our point of view. Like I said, it's insulting to have to go through such a process.

Imagine for a second that straight people were somehow the minority (I'm assuming you're straight), as bizzare as it sounds. And their whole lives, they've had to deal with teasing from schoolmates, being socially isolated just because they were "different", constantly being used by religious organisations as some form of punching bag, and being used by differing political parties to further their causes.

So throughout most of your life, you already feel marginalised. And to take the cake, game developers suddenly feel the need to seperate you from the rest of the herd by saying: "Hey, you know what? If you want to pursue romance, you'll have to go about this process that normal people don't have to. We just think that some people may think you're icky, and we don't want them to have to deal with the horrors of a different person in the game. Oh by the way, you may also need to pay."

It's a downright **** slap to the face.

[Collider]

Mike2640 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

Unfortunately I cant see Bioware going for a gay Hawke in DA2, male or female. Their intent is to sell ten million copies; they cant risk upsetting mainstream "sensibilities" or the media.
After release they'll probably say something about it, how "When we were imagining this character, we didn't envision him/her with homosexuality in mind". So that's why there will most likely be blood and gore everywhere, but all the sexual maturity of a Sunday School student.

I certainly hope I'm wrong, but sadly, I doubt it. The goal isn't a deeper role-playing experience, it's selling ten million copies.

The goal of every Bioware game ever created has been partly to sell copies. DA2 is not somehow different from that model.

Selling copies, yes, but this is the first time that they were told upfront how many copies their game needed to sell.
www.videogamer.com/news/10_million_sales_is_biowares_new_target.html

Whether or not they hit that mark will determine whether DA2, and most likely ME3, was successful or not. They're not going to take a chance and risk that.

The problem is that you seem to assume that homosexual content will result in less sales or that Bioware believes that homosexual content would result in less sales. Dragon Age Origins sold better than ME2. I doubt that Bioware is going to remove homosexual romances when DA:O sold so well.

[Arrtis]

Chris Readman wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

exoproto wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

My patch/dlc idea stands.
If the patch is a waste lets make the male on male romance a dlc so they can pay for it.
Of course make it cheap enough also.

No. Just no. For one, it could easily enough be garnered that you'd have no problem if there were a female / female romance in game. Not just that, but that is just a complete lack of respect to make you pay for content that as included in the first game. If they're going to do that, they may as well make all romances a DLC or a patch. Or better yet, how about a DLC that lets you make your character any other minority!

<_<

I think your reading too much into it.

I think you're not trying to understand our point of view. Like I said, it's insulting to have to go through such a process.

Imagine for a second that straight people were somehow the minority (I'm assuming you're straight), as bizzare as it sounds. And their whole lives, they've had to deal with teasing from schoolmates, being socially isolated just because they were "different", constantly being used by religious organisations as some form of punching bag, and being used by differing political parties to further their causes.

So throughout most of your life, you already feel marginalised. And to take the cake, game developers suddenly feel the need to seperate you from the rest of the herd by saying: "Hey, you know what? If you want to pursue romance, you'll have to go about this process that normal people don't have to. We just think that some people may think you're icky, and we don't want them to have to deal with the horrors of a different person in the game. Oh by the way, you may also need to pay."

It's a downright **** slap to the face.

As a person that has gone through tragedy that sounds hardly like a slap in the face.
Sounds more like over sensitivity.Come on...teasing?I seriously think some people need to experience real suffering in order to get a better perspective.

[Mike2640]

Collider wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

Unfortunately I cant see Bioware going for a gay Hawke in DA2, male or female. Their intent is to sell ten million copies; they cant risk upsetting mainstream "sensibilities" or the media.
After release they'll probably say something about it, how "When we were imagining this character, we didn't envision him/her with homosexuality in mind". So that's why there will most likely be blood and gore everywhere, but all the sexual maturity of a Sunday School student.

I certainly hope I'm wrong, but sadly, I doubt it. The goal isn't a deeper role-playing experience, it's selling ten million copies.

The goal of every Bioware game ever created has been partly to sell copies. DA2 is not somehow different from that model.

Selling copies, yes, but this is the first time that they were told upfront how many copies their game needed to sell.
www.videogamer.com/news/10_million_sales_is_biowares_new_target.html

Whether or not they hit that mark will determine whether DA2, and most likely ME3, was successful or not. They're not going to take a chance and risk that.

The problem is that you seem to assume that homosexual content will result in less sales or that Bioware believes that homosexual content would result in less sales. Dragon Age Origins sold better than ME2. I doubt that Bioware is going to remove homosexual romances when DA:O sold so well.

Bioware never expect DAO to be as big a hit as it was. It was never intended for a mainstream audience. When Mass Effect became a hit, the first thing to go was same sex romances in the sequel. They even tried to back-peddle the Liara romance and say that since she wasn't "Technically female" it didn't count as a lesbian romance.

Modifié par Mike2640, 31 août 2010 - 02:40 .