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Male on Male Romance for Hawke (updated - S/S romances confirmed)


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#351
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MariSkep wrote...

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I rather think that most people do not just go and hit on you.

Yes they do.

Morrigan did not hit on you even though she took an interest.

yes she does

*she also does not offer to sleep with you if you do not gain approval*

Your point being, what exactly? She's picky but when she sees something she likes she goes after it.

No one but zevran did.

He enjoys sex and likes to flirt. There's nothing wrong with that and plenty of people do it.

It always had to be after they really liked or adored you before they hit on you.

Morrigan and lelianna hit on you once they reach interested. Morrigan is much more forward about it but Leliana tries to subtle and test the waters.

Not when they get a little interested.

Morrigan will hit on you once she's interested. The other's don't confess their feelings until they're closer to adore but then again the others have a lot of emotional baggage. Alistair isn't good at emotions or talking to people and Leliana was recently horribly hurt by someone she loved.

I thought morrigan took an interest around when she first met the warden.
Also I disagree with many other things.I suppose there is no point as I doubt I can convince you.

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javierabegazo wrote...

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You have been temp banned for obvious, trolling and bigoted remarks. If you can't DISCUSS something civilly, like what a forum is made for, than it's better to say nothing at all.

I love you.

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Arrtis wrote...

Sounds more like over sensitivity.Come on...teasing?I seriously think some people need to experience real suffering in order to get a better perspective.


Patronising almost to the extent of trolling. Bear in mind what i said earlier about social awareness.

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Mike2640 wrote...

Bioware never expect DAO to be as big a hit as it was.


Source?

It was never intended for a mainstream audience.

 
Source?

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shootist70 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Sounds more like over sensitivity.Come on...teasing?I seriously think some people need to experience real suffering in order to get a better perspective.


Patronising almost to the extent of trolling. Bear in mind what i said earlier about social awareness.

whatever dude off topic either way.

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Arrtis wrote...

shootist70 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Sounds more like over sensitivity.Come on...teasing?I seriously think some people need to experience real suffering in order to get a better perspective.


Patronising almost to the extent of trolling. Bear in mind what i said earlier about social awareness.

whatever dude off topic either way.


Dance!

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shootist70 wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

Bioware never expect DAO to be as big a hit as it was.


Source?

It was never intended for a mainstream audience.

 
Source?

Certainly
www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99058-BioWare-Surprised-by-Mainstream-Success-of-Dragon-Age

Modifié par Mike2640, 31 août 2010 - 02:59 .


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Arrtis wrote...

As a person that has gone through tragedy that sounds hardly like a slap in the face.
Sounds more like over sensitivity.Come on...teasing?I seriously think some people need to experience real suffering in order to get a better perspective.


So constant psychological torture isn't considered "real" suffering? Granted, I may be a tad dramatic in my phrasing, but it doesn't discount the fact that we have to go through life being told that our existence itself is wrong. Of course this plight may not be comparable to war victims, or people going through starvation, but it's definitely much more than a "normal" person has to go through.

The point I'm trying to make is that if so many aspects of your life are already so frustrating, how would you feel if you have to go through even more hurdles in order to enjoy something that "normal" people can readily do?

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Arrtis wrote...

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My patch/dlc idea stands.
If the patch is a waste lets make the male on male romance a dlc so they can pay for it.
Of course make it cheap enough also.


No. Just no. For one, it could easily enough be garnered that you'd have no problem if there were a female / female romance in game. Not just that, but that is just a complete lack of respect to make you pay for content that as included in the first game. If they're going to do that, they may as well make all romances a DLC or a patch. Or better yet, how about a DLC that lets you make your character any other minority!

<_<

I think your reading too much into it.


I think you're not trying to understand our point of view. Like I said, it's insulting to have to go through such a process.

Imagine for a second that straight people were somehow the minority (I'm assuming you're straight), as bizzare as it sounds. And their whole lives, they've had to deal with teasing from schoolmates, being socially isolated just because they were "different", constantly being used by religious organisations as some form of punching bag, and being used by differing political parties to further their causes.

So throughout most of your life, you already feel marginalised. And to take the cake, game developers suddenly feel the need to seperate you from the rest of the herd by saying: "Hey, you know what? If you want to pursue romance, you'll have to go about this process that normal people don't have to. We just think that some people may think you're icky, and we don't want them to have to deal with the horrors of a different person in the game. Oh by the way, you may also need to pay."

It's a downright **** slap to the face.

As a person that has gone through tragedy that sounds hardly like a slap in the face.
Sounds more like over sensitivity.Come on...teasing?I seriously think some people need to experience real suffering in order to get a better perspective.


Having to often deal with random hatred and abusive remarks based on my sexuality in regular social situations like parties isn't exactly a laugh.

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Lets try not to get off topic people!

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We ARE being on topic with your patch idea, explaining why it's insulting.

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Arrtis wrote...

Lets try not to get off topic people!


If you don't start dancing, monkey, these coins are getting to get progressively heavier!

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MariSkep wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

shootist70 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Sounds more like over sensitivity.Come on...teasing?I seriously think some people need to experience real suffering in order to get a better perspective.


Patronising almost to the extent of trolling. Bear in mind what i said earlier about social awareness.

whatever dude off topic either way.


Dance!

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#364
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Chris Readman wrote...

We ARE being on topic with your patch idea, explaining why it's insulting.

I disagree.

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One word.........mubari.

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Mike2640 wrote...
Certainly
www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99058-BioWare-Surprised-by-Mainstream-Success-of-Dragon-Age


Garbage. Show me where Bioware say 'we never intended to make this game for a mainstream audience.' and we'll be done.

I write fiction all the time, and I'd be just as amazingly surprised if it hit on mainstream success (fingers crossed). That doesn't meant to say that I write specifically for a niche audience. I find it hard to believe that a creative project costing tens of millions of dollars didn't hope for the widest possible reception.

So, let's see those sources again, more convincingly this time.

Modifié par shootist70, 31 août 2010 - 03:08 .


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@MariSkep



You're "Dance!" comments are insulting and borderline spam. Please stop at once, While I do on occasion enjoy banning certain trolls, I can see that you're capable of higher thought processes and civil respectable discussion, so please stick to that

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Arrtis wrote...

Chris Readman wrote...

We ARE being on topic with your patch idea, explaining why it's insulting.

I disagree.


And I disagree with your disagreement too then. :) A plain "no" to dancing requests is also off topic by the way.

You did not answer my question anyway, how would you feel if you are shortchanged on something in a game just because you want something different, and made to go through an unnecessary process in order to get what you want (and possibly pay)?

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I am fine for all romances to be patched in and more...rather not say it earlier and keep things strictly male on male.

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shootist70 wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...
Certainly
www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99058-BioWare-Surprised-by-Mainstream-Success-of-Dragon-Age


Garbage. Show me where Bioware say 'we never intended to make this game for a mainstream audience.' and we'll be done.

I write fiction all the time, and I'd be just as amazingly surprised if it hit on mainstream success (fingers crossed). That doesn't meant to say that I write specifically for a niche audience. I find it hard to believe that a creative project costing tens of millions of dollars didn't hope for the widest possible reception.

So, let's see those sources again, more convincingly this time.

Dude, they say it right in the article.

"I think we always believed in the game, we always wanted to make this kind of game, but having that kind of validation where it's not just the PC press or gaming press in particular, but mainstream press! We hear about Dragon Age now in TV, news, newspapers, and other media where I never would have expected to see Dragon Age, typically."

They expected it to do well in gaming circles, not the general public.

Modifié par Mike2640, 31 août 2010 - 03:15 .


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Arrtis wrote...

Chris Readman wrote...

We ARE being on topic with your patch idea, explaining why it's insulting.

I disagree.


Your reasons?

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Arrtis wrote...

I am fine for all romances to be patched in and more...rather not say it earlier and keep things strictly male on male.


Fair enough, as long as you acknowledge complete equal treatment is the best solution, and therefore any option that is taken should not sideline minority groups.

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Mike2640 wrote...
Dude, they say it right in the article.

"I think we always believed in the game, we always wanted to make this kind of game, but having that kind of validation where it's not just the PC press or gaming press in particular, but mainstream press! We hear about Dragon Age now in TV, news, newspapers, and other media where I never would have expected to see Dragon Age, typically."

They expected it to do well in gaming circles, not the general public.


Nope, you're as wrong as it gets here. The article states that they received the mainstream validation that they always hoped for but didn't take for granted. In that respect they're no different from any other mainstream developer trying their hand at a new genre direction.

If you're expecting me to believe that DAO was pitched as a niche game based on this article, you're mistaken. Like I said, better sources please!

EDIT: Also, while you're there - provide sources on how mainstream gamers will be repelled by s/s romantic content.

Modifié par shootist70, 31 août 2010 - 03:22 .


#374
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Well as long as it is an option NOT A MOST then yeah



They should even get some more fem on fem aswell

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I'm almost tempted to find my last post on this topic and simply cut-and-paste it into here... but maybe not. I'll just say the following:

Romance options are just that-- optional. They're an extra part of the game and not really central to its purpose. Perhaps you think they should be, but that's beside the point. They're not. Being an option means that they're essentially a luxury, and while people may argue as to exactly who's luxury they get to be they don't go beyond that. They're not a right, and treating them like one is taking it a step too far. We put in content as we can afford it, based on the size of the audience that content is likely to be used by-- not according to what's "fair".

This comes with a few caveats, however:

1) We'll always put in content for smaller portions of the audience, whenever we can. In essence, anything that's available as an optional choice only applies to a smaller portion of the audience and really it's just a matter of degrees. If we only put in content that 100% of the audience would see then you would have no choices at all. That's not really what we're about, even if we do have to be realistic.

2) You don't get to argue that an option you don't like and don't intend to use shouldn't exist at all, for anyone. Sorry, but our only concern here is that there are people who will like it. If you don't, then opt not to use it. That's why it's a choice.

3) Persuant to the above, beware of majority privilege. It's very easy for people who don't have an issue that the minority feel (and this applies to race and gender-- in gaming, particularly-- as well as to sexual orientation) to believe that something is "not a problem". "I don't see why you're so uptight about it!" Realize when you make these sorts of comments that you have no idea what you're talking about, for all our sakes. You don't know what it feels like to be marginalized, and it behooves those in the majority to use at least a modicum of sensitivity when it comes to addressing such issues. No, games aren't a platform for social change, but that doesn't mean we are also absent of responsibility when we include content in our games where such issues can arise. If we were to claim "majority privilege" as our only guide, we do nothing but add to the problem. That said, we do face other limitations-- not least of which, as I said, is that this isn't the point of the game and thus is only ever going to get limited resources.

Insofar as the male-male romance content goes specifically, there's no evidence to suggest it affected sales in the slightest. In fact, our own telemetry shows that the content was used by more players than most people would assume (you can draw your own conclusions from that). If the only objection someone can muster is "it makes me uncomfortable" then there's not too much to say-- there's lots of things in a Mature-rated game that could potentially make someone uncomfortable, some of them not even optional. That's the risk you take, I guess, when you play something that is not, by design, intended to be inoffensive to all. Trying to object from an economic standpoint, however, really doesn't wash.

What does this mean for DA2? Well, we haven't talked about any romances yet. So you'll have to see-- we're not making any promises, in particular because of the limitations I keep bringing up. If we don't include same-sex content, however, it's not because we assume too many people will think it's "icky" or because we fear a backlash, economic or otherwise.

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