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[exoproto]

Arrtis wrote...

Wow so now I am homophobic...great...glad you know me so well...glad your all phycologists....

Psychologists*.

A phycologist studies algae.

Sorry. I had to.

[Deviija]

JohnEpler wrote...

Thus why David is the lead writer and I'm a cinematic designer. My ideas are not always communicated as clearly as I might wish

Oh, you did fine.    I enjoyed reading your post and I do very much agree with what you wrote.  It is rather common sensical to view it in juxtaposition to real life.  More organic that way, IMO.   

[NKKKK]

Saying no to Zevran cost me some points with him though.

[obnoxiousgas]

Arrtis wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

So they will ALWAYS flirt with you...the romance options?
Or sometimes?

I would guess it depends on the individual in question.

like I was saying for many pages....I rather have the bi/gay option be the one to not always flirt.....seems people like to have problem with that.

because your discomfort stems from your homphobia and I for one would prefer the writers not cater to your homophobic fears in their writing and create whatever characters they had originaly imagined.

Wow so now I am homophobic...great...glad you know me so well...glad your all phycologists....

I know, it's almost like you've spent ages posting about how uncomfortable gay male characters make you feel, and then passive aggressively saying you just want a gay/bi character who doesn't instigate the romance. I simply don't know how they reached that conclusion.

On a totally unrelated note, please leave spaces between your ellipses and your words. I'm not normally so pedantic, but you do use them rather a lot to be using them improperly.

[Frega]

NKKKK wrote...

Saying no to Zevran cost me some points with him though.

Get him gifts then.

[Saibh]

NKKKK wrote...

Saying no to Zevran cost me some points with him though.

I've dissuaded him male or female without any major loss of approval. Losing one or two approval is negligible, easily earned back (give him GOLD!), and it wouldn't make sense that a character would like you just a bit less for turning them down.

[Arrtis]

well since I doubt I will change anyones minds on whether or not I am homophobic...

I feel very much that putting another zevran character as the gay LI option will send more of a message that you want to try to push gay characters and such on others.

I will wait and see what happens in DA2...You are of course free to write what you like and make the game as you wish...this is merely my suggestion.

I will not discuss this further as people in this thread have shown how capable they are at keeping things civil. Good day then.

[Dave of Canada]

NKKKK wrote...

Saying no to Zevran cost me some points with him though.

Oh, if I went up to a woman who had a crush on me and told her "Not interested." she'd totally be fine with it.

[NKKKK]

Or how about turning people down gently won't hurt their loyalty?

[Greifvogel]

Arrtis wrote...

well since I doubt I will change anyones minds on whether or not I am homophobic...
I
feel very much that putting another zevran character as the gay LI
option will send more of a message that you want to try to push gay
characters and such on others.
I will wait and see what happens in
DA2...You are of course free to write what you like and make the game as
you wish...this is merely my suggestion.
I will not discuss this
further as people in this thread have shown how capable they are at
keeping things civil. Good day then.

Zevran would push himself even on your morning slippers. If that's your real point, rejoice, many would agree with you.

Modifié par Greifvogel, 31 août 2010 - 06:20 .

[Saibh]

NKKKK wrote...

Or how about turning people down gently won't hurt their loyalty?

That's incredibly hard to do IRL. In fact, I would say it's impossible. People will like you less for not liking them back. They can't help it.

[Clover Rider]

Saibh wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Or how about turning people down gently won't hurt their loyalty?

That's incredibly hard to do IRL. In fact, I would say it's impossible. People will like you less for not liking them back. They can't help it.

Not all the time I have been shot down in nice ways and I get over it .

[Saibh]

Some Geth wrote...

Saibh wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Or how about turning people down gently won't hurt their loyalty?

That's incredibly hard to do IRL. In fact, I would say it's impossible. People will like you less for not liking them back. They can't help it.

Not all the time I have been shot down in nice ways and I get over it .

Of course you get over it. But, when the shooting down is occuring, you like them just a bit less? Or, rather, you don't like them as much? 

[Clover Rider]

Saibh wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Saibh wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Or how about turning people down gently won't hurt their loyalty?

That's incredibly hard to do IRL. In fact, I would say it's impossible. People will like you less for not liking them back. They can't help it.

Not all the time I have been shot down in nice ways and I get over it .

Of course you get over it. But, when the shooting down is occuring, you like them just a bit less? Or, rather, you don't like them as much? 

I get a bit sad but not mad at them more so I wonder what I did .

[Saibh]

[quote]Some Geth wrote...

[/quote]I get a bit sad but not mad at them more so I wonder what I did .[/quote]

Disapproval isn't them getting mad at you, necessarily. It's just their opinion of you isn't as high/is lowered. I'd say this is true of what you're telling me as well.

[JosephShrike]

As a straight male, I can't say I would particularly miss no same-sex relationships in DA2. I wouldn't object to them either though, and I like seeing that ya'll at Bioware aren't concerned with causing ripples in the water if you do include it. Gives me some hope for other stuff And that all said, when Zevran flirted with my character, it was admittedly a little uncomfortable, but, I mean, it should be. It wasn't a bad thing, just a realistic discomfort with being hit on by a dude. Really, maybe we should all be made a little uncomfortable with games from time to time. Its really the sign of a good work of literature that it makes you feel emotions for people you aren't directly, meaning in real life, interacting with, good, bad, or uncomfortable



Also, I swear Alistar kept giving my Warden hungry eyes throughout the game, so I think there was something there.

[Clover Rider]

[quote]Saibh wrote...

[quote]Some Geth wrote...

[/quote]I get a bit sad but not mad at them more so I wonder what I did .[/quote]

Disapproval isn't them getting mad at you, necessarily. It's just their opinion of you isn't as high/is lowered. I'd say this is true of what you're telling me as well.

[/quote]Well loves likes hates all are odd .

[caridounette]

Romances are RP options... it a good thing you cant minmax here and turn someone away without consequences. How lame would that be.



As for D2 m/m options, im happy that ppl can put forward their ideas, just as we willl be doing the same about every other little aspect of the game for a few more months. Being a female gamer, i can only say i enjoy how the DA:O offers options for everyone. Hopefully it will stay that way

[zahra]

JohnEpler wrote...

Occasionally, people will flirt with you even if you haven't indicated interest. I would say that most everyone experiences this at some point in their adult life. That doesn't mean you're forced to reciprocate the feelings, of course, nor does it mean that you can't turn them down - whether gently or harshly will depend both on you and on the situation you find yourself in.

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Apparently, some people have not encountered this experience. Not naming names. 

[scootermcgaffin]

You should be able to turn Zevran down without losing any approval, though.



When he does his "I fancy things that I fancy because I fancy fancy things" spiel and he asks if you'd be offended if he said he fancies you, just say "No, but it's not necessary." That will end the romance if you somehow managed to activate it or keep it from ever activating if you haven't, and he shouldn't lose any approval.



Even if he did lose one or two points in the shuffle from "Interested" to "Warm" if you had activated the romance, it is ridiculously easy to gain approval with Zevran.

[zahra]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

You should be able to turn Zevran down without losing any approval, though.

When he does his "I fancy things that I fancy because I fancy fancy things" spiel and he asks if you'd be offended if he said he fancies you, just say "No, but it's not necessary." That will end the romance if you somehow managed to activate it or keep it from ever activating if you haven't, and he shouldn't lose any approval.

Even if he did lose one or two points in the shuffle from "Interested" to "Warm" if you had activated the romance, it is ridiculously easy to gain approval with Zevran.

I dunno, you do lose approval with a person irl if you turn them down, no? Even if it is done in the most gentle, most respectful manner, there will be a slight drop in their positive feelings towards yourself. It would be odd for a thinking feeling human being to be a hundred percent ok with being rejected. 

[scootermcgaffin]

zahra wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

You should be able to turn Zevran down without losing any approval, though.

When he does his "I fancy things that I fancy because I fancy fancy things" spiel and he asks if you'd be offended if he said he fancies you, just say "No, but it's not necessary." That will end the romance if you somehow managed to activate it or keep it from ever activating if you haven't, and he shouldn't lose any approval.

Even if he did lose one or two points in the shuffle from "Interested" to "Warm" if you had activated the romance, it is ridiculously easy to gain approval with Zevran.

I dunno, you do lose approval with a person irl if you turn them down, no? Even if it is done in the most gentle, most respectful manner, there will be a slight drop in their positive feelings towards yourself. It would be odd for a thinking feeling human being to be a hundred percent ok with being rejected. 

Just checked the wiki, and saying "No, but you needn't bother" in fact does not lose any approval. Which makes sense since Zevran is just looking for some fun at that point so it's a "no hard feelings" kind of situation