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[oenis]

Burritos wrote...
I didn't know when I bought it, most my friends didn't.  I'm still getting Da2 if there is homosexuality, not something I agree with, but not going to stop me from playing.  Like Gaider said romances are optional.

You can't agree or disagree with homosexuality. It's not an opinion or something. The fact is, it exists. 

[sw33t nothings]

Saibh wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Maybe they should have possible romances spring among the team members themselves. If the two of them are attractive, maybe your character will the option to go to his or her tent and... "think about things" for a while.

I think a lot of depth could be added with having two companions become involved. Didn't something like that happen in Baldurs Gate 1/2?

Yes, and everyone hated it.

And I'd hate it if they added it. Good God, I'd hate it. Maybe I shouldn't start my ranting on how much I hate that idea, but...it's there.

For all of you to know, it's there.

Really? I've never played BG2, so I've never seen it happen in game, but I always thought it would be a neat idea. Taking romances 'to the next level' by letting party members fall for each other, have their own stories. 

What about it did you hate? I idea as a whole? Or the way it was done?

On topic: While I'm really happy with the Bi characters, I'd still like to see a strictly gay character or two. But I'm not holding my breath. It's one of those, "that would be nice, but I'm already spoiled by having some sweet Bisexual characters so I should probably stop complaining." 

[KillTheLastRomantic]

oenis wrote...

Burritos wrote...
I didn't know when I bought it, most my friends didn't.  I'm still getting Da2 if there is homosexuality, not something I agree with, but not going to stop me from playing.  Like Gaider said romances are optional.

You can't agree or disagree with homosexuality. It's not an opinion or something. The fact is, it exists. 

Lol! I don't know why I've never thought of saying that. Do you want some tequila? You can have some tequila.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

distinguetraces wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...
I think a lot of depth could be added with having two companions become involved. Didn't something like that happen in Baldurs Gate 1/2?

Yes, and everyone hated it.

I didn't hate it! I liked Aerie as a companion, but I loathed her in the player romance -- I nearly chucked the little cow out of the party after the catfight with Jaheira -- but then I liked her again in the interactions with Haer'Dalis, so I consider that her "canon" storyline.

I found Aerie to be weak/submissive and generally annoying. But then I never saw her interactions with Haer'Dalis because I couldn't finish Baldurs Gate 2. Maybe its just me but why could common enemy spellcasters put like 30 status effects on me before I could cast one spell?

[eucatastrophe]

oenis wrote...

Burritos wrote...
I didn't know when I bought it, most my friends didn't.  I'm still getting Da2 if there is homosexuality, not something I agree with, but not going to stop me from playing.  Like Gaider said romances are optional.

You can't agree or disagree with homosexuality. It's not an opinion or something. The fact is, it exists. 

That made me laugh hard. Dunno why.

I guess it's so simply stated that it's beautiful and hilarious at the same time
ROFL

[Ad Dugg]

Burritos wrote...


I don't remember any gays in Amaranthine.

Sorry that was a really stupid typo on my part I meant to say Orlais in place of Amaranthine.

So what I was getting at  was Ferelden doesn't have many gay people where as Orlais has alot of people who don't mind sharing a bed with the same sex in the interest of fun/pleasure.

[Jimmy Fury]

Ad Dugg wrote...

Burritos wrote...


I don't remember any gays in Amaranthine.

Sorry that was a really stupid typo on my part I meant to say Orlais in place of Amaranthine.

So what I was getting at  was Ferelden doesn't have many gay people where as Orlais has alot of people who don't mind sharing a bed with the same sex in the interest of fun/pleasure.

I dunno, Ferelden seems to have a good number of lgbt people as well as those who are potentially lgb.
Wade, Herren, Dairren, Iona, the assorted "employees" of the pearl, Branka and Hespith (if we consider Orzamar a part of Ferelden), and the potential wardens. And there's probably more that I don't know since I've never played as a
city elf or a dwarf.

Given how we only know the sexuality of a teeny tiny fraction of the people we speak to, that seems to be a pretty good amount. 

[Saibh]

sw33t nothings wrote...

What about it did you hate? I idea as a whole? Or the way it was done?

The way it culminates is that Haer'Dalis (the guy wooin' on your girl, Aerie), challeges you to a duel for her heart or whatever. Aerie is a pacifist, doesn't like fights. Now, this can go three ways:

1. You refuse to fight Haer'Dalis, Aerie picks you. Alright, I can see that.
2. You choose to fight Haer'Dalis and Aerie freaks the hell out and picks Haer'Dalis. Okay. Does that make any sense? He challenges you to a duel, and because you accept this challenge to your honor and girlfriend or whatever, she picks him.

It'd make sense if she dumped you both, but she doesn't.

She picks him.

What.

What.

Now, this second way is what sort of converges into the third, which is the option to flip out that Aerie chose someone else, and they both leave. If you accept it kindly, they do not.

My general hatred of NPC romances (mind you, I mean one of these NPCs is your LI) is, that in a BioWare game, even though the actual relationship may not be perfect, I do expect that in the end, they love you. I have a hard time believing that this guy or girl is my true, twoo love when they're incapable of picking between two people themselves. I'd hate it if I accidentally said the wrong thing, and whoopsie-daisy, now he likes the other chick better. It just seems like a bitter thing, when he can be so frivolous, and he's evidently not grown up enough to be able to pick by himself.

Besides that, I'd feel that I get him, not because he loves me, but because I'm this master manipulator. With Alistair, so long as you don't do that One Thing, he loves you no matter what type of psychopath you are. You need to be super super careful about his approval and gift giving, but it can be done. I'll go out on a limb and say that he won't love you if you take him with you and do everything he can possibly disapprove of while still being nice to him about it. He doesn't love you if you're cruel to him, as well.

Now, let's say Leliana (assuming she wasn't an LI for you) also likes Alistair. Now, if I want to keep him, I can no longer be a good person who does "bad" things because they believe in pragmatism, or maybe even you can't even make an off-color joke. Now, if you want to romance him and be a personality type that would lose him, you have to simply pretend to be who he wants, and it comes down to you being a master manipulator. Leliana, by my way of thinking, gets him for free. She's not a human being behind a computer, carefully thinking out their responses, but an NPC designed to win him should you say the wrong thing, or do the wrong thing.

By my way of thinking, that would make her his true love, and not I, since he loves her not matter what--it's up to me to be the manipulator that will make him love me more.

/pants

Okay.

I told you I'd rant.

Modifié par Saibh, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Saibh wrote...

sw33t nothings wrote...

What about it did you hate? I idea as a whole? Or the way it was done?

The way it culminates is that Haer'Dalis (the guy wooin' on your girl, Aerie), challeges you to a duel for her heart or whatever. Aerie is a pacifist, doesn't like fights. Now, this can go three ways:

1. You refuse to fight Haer'Dalis, Aerie picks you. Alright, I can see that.
2. You choose to fight Haer'Dalis and Aerie freaks the hell out and picks Haer'Dalis. Okay. Does that make any sense? He challenges you to a duel, and because you accept this challenge to your honor and girlfriend or whatever, she picks him.

It'd make sense if she dumped you both, but she doesn't.

She picks him.

What.

What.

Now, this second way is what sort of converges into the third, which is the option to flip out that Aerie chose someone else, and they both leave. If you accept it kindly, they do not.

My general hatred of NPC romances (mind you, I mean one of these NPCs is your LI) is, that in a BioWare game, even though the actual relationship may not be perfect, I do expect that in the end, they love you. I have a hard time believing that this guy or girl is my true, twoo love when they're incapable of picking between two people themselves. I'd hate it if I accidentally said the wrong thing, and whoopsie-daisy, now he likes the other chick better. It just seems like a bitter thing, when he can be so frivolous, and he's evidently not grown up enough to be able to pick by himself.

Besides that, I'd feel that I get him, not because he loves me, but because I'm this master manipulator. With Alistair, so long as you don't do that One Thing, he loves you no matter what type of psychopath you are. You need to be super super careful about his approval and gift giving, but it can be done. I'll go out on a limb and say that he won't love you if you take him with you and do everything he can possibly disapprove of while still being nice to him about it. He doesn't love you if you're cruel to him, as well.

Now, let's say Leliana (assuming she wasn't an LI for you) also likes Alistair. Now, if I want to keep him, I can no longer be a good person who does "bad" things because they believe in pragmatism, or maybe even you can't even make an off-color joke. Now, if you want to romance him and be a personality type that would lose him, you have to simply pretend to be who he wants, and it comes down to you being a master manipulator. Leliana, by my way of thinking, gets him for free. She's not a human being behind a computer, carefully thinking out their responses, but an NPC designed to win him should you say the wrong thing, or do the wrong thing.

By my way of thinking, that would make her his true love, and not I, since he loves her not matter what--it's up to me to be the manipulator that will make him love me more.

/pants

Okay.

I told you I'd rant.

Well would you have a problem is a romance developed between two companions who weren't love interests? Like say if Oghren and Wynne decided they were deeply in love with each other. Well, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be completely freaked out by that but you know what I mean.

[Saibh]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Well would you have a problem is a romance developed between two companions who weren't love interests? Like say if Oghren and Wynne decided they were deeply in love with each other. Well, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be completely freaked out by that but you know what I mean.

Nope, not at all. That's pretty normal. I mean, I know a lot of people hate Velanna because Nathaniel hit on her, but it makes sense--so long as it's not distracting, and they don't later decide to start up a gang and betray me or something, it doesn't bother me.

[sw33t nothings]

Saibh wrote...

sw33t nothings wrote...

What about it did you hate? I idea as a whole? Or the way it was done?

The way it culminates is that Haer'Dalis (the guy wooin' on your girl, Aerie), challeges you to a duel for her heart or whatever. Aerie is a pacifist, doesn't like fights. Now, this can go three ways:

1. You refuse to fight Haer'Dalis, Aerie picks you. Alright, I can see that.
2. You choose to fight Haer'Dalis and Aerie freaks the hell out and picks Haer'Dalis. Okay. Does that make any sense? He challenges you to a duel, and because you accept this challenge to your honor and girlfriend or whatever, she picks him.

It'd make sense if she dumped you both, but she doesn't.

She picks him.

What.

What.

Now, this second way is what sort of converges into the third, which is the option to flip out that Aerie chose someone else, and they both leave. If you accept it kindly, they do not.

My general hatred of NPC romances (mind you, I mean one of these NPCs is your LI) is, that in a BioWare game, even though the actual relationship may not be perfect, I do expect that in the end, they love you. I have a hard time believing that this guy or girl is my true, twoo love when they're incapable of picking between two people themselves. I'd hate it if I accidentally said the wrong thing, and whoopsie-daisy, now he likes the other chick better. It just seems like a bitter thing, when he can be so frivolous, and he's evidently not grown up enough to be able to pick by himself.

Besides that, I'd feel that I get him, not because he loves me, but because I'm this master manipulator. With Alistair, so long as you don't do that One Thing, he loves you no matter what type of psychopath you are. You need to be super super careful about his approval and gift giving, but it can be done. I'll go out on a limb and say that he won't love you if you take him with you and do everything he can possibly disapprove of while still being nice to him about it. He doesn't love you if you're cruel to him, as well.

Now, let's say Leliana (assuming she wasn't an LI for you) also likes Alistair. Now, if I want to keep him, I can no longer be a good person who does "bad" things because they believe in pragmatism, or maybe even you can't even make an off-color joke. Now, if you want to romance him and be a personality type that would lose him, you have to simply pretend to be who he wants, and it comes down to you being a master manipulator. Leliana, by my way of thinking, gets him for free. She's not a human being behind a computer, carefully thinking out their responses, but an NPC designed to win him should you say the wrong thing, or do the wrong thing.

By my way of thinking, that would make her his true love, and not I, since he loves her not matter what--it's up to me to be the manipulator that will make him love me more.

/pants

Okay.

I told you I'd rant.

Wow, thanks for that! I mean, really, I hadn't ever seen something like that done before, and it's interesting to hear it's failings once it's implemented. I like your take on the char's true love, and I can understand why that could make the romances seem... off in competition with another party member. 

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Saibh wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Well would you have a problem is a romance developed between two companions who weren't love interests? Like say if Oghren and Wynne decided they were deeply in love with each other. Well, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be completely freaked out by that but you know what I mean.

Nope, not at all. That's pretty normal. I mean, I know a lot of people hate Velanna because Nathaniel hit on her, but it makes sense--so long as it's not distracting, and they don't later decide to start up a gang and betray me or something, it doesn't bother me.

They do? I thought people hated Velanna because of her irredeemably terrible personality.

[Saibh]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

They do? I thought people hated Velanna because of her irredeemably terrible personality.

Here, Why Women Hate You 101:

B*TCH TOOK MY MAN first

Irredeemable psychopath second.



You're right, though, I should have said "one of the reasons a lot of people hate..."

[sw33t nothings]

Saibh wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

They do? I thought people hated Velanna because of her irredeemably terrible personality.

Here, Why Women Hate You 101:

B*TCH TOOK MY MAN first

Irredeemable psychopath second.



You're right, though, I should have said "one of the reasons a lot of people hate..."

... My life suddenly makes more sense now. Thank you, Saibh for showing me the light. :innocent:

[KillTheLastRomantic]

sw33t nothings wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

They do? I thought people hated Velanna because of her irredeemably terrible personality.

Here, Why Women Hate You 101:

B*TCH TOOK MY MAN first

Irredeemable psychopath second.



You're right, though, I should have said "one of the reasons a lot of people hate..."

... My life suddenly makes more sense now. Thank you, Saibh for showing me the light. :innocent:

Ha! I see. Thank god my two straight best friends turned Im-lesbian-for-you with each other.

[Jimmy Fury]

ACK
Did anyone catch Gaider's live chat!?! I just missed it. stupid human need for food...
I caught someone in the chat asking about s/s romances but then he had to go.
Anybody know if he said anything earlier one way or another or if he oh-so-slyly skipped anything romance related?

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 06 septembre 2010 - 12:23 .

[Collider]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

ACK
Did anyone catch Gaider's live chat!?! I just missed it. stupid human need for food...
I caught someone in the chat asking about s/s romances but then he had to go.
Anybody if he said anything one way or another or if he oh-so-slyly skipped anything romance related?

I don't think they're going to reveal anything too specific about the romances this early, let alone s/s ones.

[Jimmy Fury]

Collider wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

ACK
Did anyone catch Gaider's live chat!?! I just missed it. stupid human need for food...
I caught someone in the chat asking about s/s romances but then he had to go.
Anybody if he said anything one way or another or if he oh-so-slyly skipped anything romance related?

I don't think they're going to reveal anything too specific about the romances this early, let alone s/s ones.

That's what I would have thought but Gaider said A LOT of stuff. Like family names and other sort-of-big stuff.

Edit: boo. nope. said nothing. fooey.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 06 septembre 2010 - 12:53 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Okie dokie, been reading some things about the live chat and there are 2 bits of info so far that have me curious...
1: Pirate lady was sorta almost maybe confirmed as a follower. (link)
-Which, as Saibh pointed out, almost certainly confirms her as a romance option-
2: Gaider seems to have said Hawke having a child is a possibility? (link)

So, any thoughts on what this might mean for s/s romances if those are both true?
Anyone else catch anything that might have implication on the subject?

[Bruddajakka]

Dwarf along the lines of Gorim or Leske would be my preference. Zevran was nice but I'd like to see a Bi/Gay character who wasn't a straight up "Chick" so to speak

[Saibh]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Dwarf along the lines of Gorim or Leske would be my preference. Zevran was nice but I'd like to see a Bi/Gay character who wasn't a straight up "Chick" so to speak

I wouldn't mind a rascally Leske-like fellow. He was cool--it'd be interesting to have a party member with the same sort of weakness, the sort of spinelessness overshadowed by his friendly bravado. Preferably not a dwarf, though.

[Darthnemesis2]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Dwarf along the lines of Gorim or Leske would be my preference. Zevran was nice but I'd like to see a Bi/Gay character who wasn't a straight up "Chick" so to speak

wait...

How exactly is Zevran a 'chick' again...?

[Dhiro]

I really liked Gorim, actually. He was really loyal and gave me the impression that the friendship between him and my PC was really strong, no matter what.

[silentassassin264]

How about an Orlesian (former) chevalier that comes from nobility (but unlike Alistair, he will never see the throne). He ends up the Free Marches because he failed terribly at the game and was disgraced and is looking to redeem his honor. Of course he is an arrogant and proud guy so he doesn't come out and tell you that at first. How about long blond hair and one of those voices that makes you melt. And for actual fighting, he is a two handed sword user and he is not over compensating.