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Male on Male Romance for Hawke (updated - S/S romances confirmed)


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highcastle wrote...

I had the opposite reactions to these characters. It was pretty obvious from a very early stage that Zevran's attitude was largely facade. Look at his interactions with Wynne. He's shameless because it keeps people away from him. He builds a lot of barriers between himself and others. And the moment he gets close to a person (i.e. the Warden), he reveals just how broken he really is. But not so broken he requires rescuing. He's largely managed to cope with his life on his own, but he can finally manage to talk about it with a warden he cares for.


I agree and disagree--he is a sexual man, and he does enjoy sex and pleasures of the flesh and makes no qualm about it. While the flirtation itself could be seen as a defense mechanism, it's also one he enjoys. I think "hedonistic" is the perfect word. I liked Zevran, but all the references to bondage and orgies and such just grated my nerves. He doesn't understand love, but he sure gets sex.

Leske on the other hand...I don't know. It might be just that I'm not a huge fan of dwarves to begin with. But I also wasn't enamored of his character by any means. Zevran flirted because he didn't know how else to behave, but Leske seemed genuinely sleazy at times. Leske also seemed weaker over all. Zevran had lived just as hard, if not harder a life, but was still strong, capable, and a survivor. Leske seemed beaten down. Personally, I think survivors are the stronger characters.


I'm not a personal fan of dwarves, either, and it's not so much Leske himself that I like but some of the pieces he represents. Zevran's broken bird thing only ever shows up if you romance him--personally, I dislike that aspect of a character. Maybe it made perfect sense for him, but it sort of wore finding him valuable as a companion when not a romance. Leske gave in; Zevran did not. He accepted it, but he never was beaten down by it.

Leske isn't...broken, I wouldn't say, not the way Zevran is. He gave in, stopped fighting. He might have seemed spirited, and I don't think that behavior in his situation is always a facade so much as a real part of his personality that's easily stripped away in the right (or wrong) circumstances. Like I said, I think he feels guilty. He's weak, he knows it, and can't help it. I'd like to see a LI that knows it but wants to change, wants to be stronger.

I'd want a LI I can help with that. Not support as an emotional crutch, exactly, but be like a rock, or an inspiration. They don't look to you and say "Please, I'm feeling weak, pep talk me!" but feel weak and maybe look at your strength quietly and draw from it, or you give it of your own accord.

...Alright, that's enough digging at a character we saw for all of two hours. I know I'm looking too deeply into him, but I'm mostly conjecturing what I know of his character and situation with what I feel like he would be like or what I'd want him to be like.

All-in-all, it's not Leske himself, but some of the qualities in him I was interested in. I was attached to Leske, and even for those few hours I saw him, felt like he was a friend. I saw the cowardly part of him, even the snivelling part, and I just felt bad. I wanted to help him. I'm just remixing that emotional connection to a LI. Shake and stir.

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Since the FAQ gives an ominous message hinting there may be romances beyond companions, do you think a gay or bisexual option could happen outside the party?

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Russalka wrote...

Since the FAQ gives an ominous message hinting there may be romances beyond companions, do you think a gay or bisexual option could happen outside the party?

Hmm Maybe like a Isabella Type romance

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Russalka wrote...

Since the FAQ gives an ominous message hinting there may be romances beyond companions, do you think a gay or bisexual option could happen outside the party?

DA:O did it. It stands to reason that DA2 may very well do so as well.

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But it wasn't exactly romance, what happened with Isabella and those two Dalish, was it? -_-

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Russalka wrote...

But it wasn't exactly romance, what happened with Isabella and those two Dalish, was it? -_-

Well if you're talking about full on romance - it's highly unlikely that there will be anything like that with someone who isn't a companion.

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But the official FAQ hints it.

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Russalka wrote...

But the official FAQ hints it.

True, I'm just saying in terms of plausibility.  And I just checked the FAQ.

I don't remember any full-featured romances in Bioware games yet that were not with a party member. That is why I am skeptical.

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Hah, I had such ideas all of a sudden about non-companion romance, if it turns out to be like that. I wonder if these forums could survive another romance thread. x_x

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Saibh wrote...

Sal_add wrote...

I want a gay not bi.....


Mm...that has a next to zero chance of happening at this point in time.

I'd be content with someone I can assume is gay. Someone who doesn't talk about all the women and men he's bedded. <_<
(nothing personally against Zevran, I dislike all hussies equally)

More importantly... Romances have been officially confirmed :o!
Now we just need to get someone to let us know if any of them will be s/s options.

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yo, honest opininon of Chris Crocker as a LI.

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Viva la France wrote...

yo, honest opininon of Chris Crocker as a LI.


Yeah, if I wanted a girl, I wouldn't be gay.

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HopHazzard wrote...

Viva la France wrote...

yo, honest opininon of Chris Crocker as a LI.


Yeah, if I wanted a girl, I wouldn't be gay.


ty for the honest answer.

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I just hope it will be love for both heterosexuals and homosexuals (that means either gender), instead of ME's heterosexuals and lesbians.

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Oddly enough... having seen default femhawke i maaaaaaay have to seriously reconsider my dealbreaker stance if it should come down to another lesbians=yes gaydudes=no situation.



Thus is the power of Xena Look-a-like Lady Hawke.

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Sal_add wrote...

I want a gay not bi.....


Mm...that has a next to zero chance of happening at this point in time.


More importantly... Romances have been officially confirmed :o!
Now we just need to get someone to let us know if any of them will be s/s options.


Wait, something official happen recently, or was it the same "Of course they'll be romances!" we've been getting? :huh:

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Collider wrote...


I don't remember any full-featured romances in Bioware games yet that were not with a party member. That is why I am skeptical.


Neverwinter Nights--Aribeth and Aarin Gend.  YMMV on them, but they were romances, not simply flings.

Modifié par Riona45, 12 septembre 2010 - 11:15 .


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Saibh wrote...

Sal_add wrote...

I want a gay not bi.....


Mm...that has a next to zero chance of happening at this point in time.


Really?  That's dumb.  Is it that hard, Bioware?

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Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Sal_add wrote...

I want a gay not bi.....


Mm...that has a next to zero chance of happening at this point in time.


Really?  That's dumb.  Is it that hard, Bioware?


I started typing up a response, but then I realized David Gaider could say it better than I ever could. Here's some of his response about it. A lot of it boils down to same-sex romances appeal to a small portion of their audience, and exclusively homosexual romances would see even less. It's hard to justify, from a business perspective, all that time and money and space devoted to a portion most gamers won't ever take advantage of.

I say "at this point in time", because, who knows? With time and technology, exclusively same-sex romances might be viable. At this time, bisexual is the compromise they go for.

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Saibh wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Sal_add wrote...

I want a gay not bi.....


Mm...that has a next to zero chance of happening at this point in time.


Really?  That's dumb.  Is it that hard, Bioware?


I started typing up a response, but then I realized David Gaider could say it better than I ever could. Here's some of his response about it. A lot of it boils down to same-sex romances appeal to a small portion of their audience, and exclusively homosexual romances would see even less. It's hard to justify, from a business perspective, all that time and money and space devoted to a portion most gamers won't ever take advantage of.

I say "at this point in time", because, who knows? With time and technology, exclusively same-sex romances might be viable. At this time, bisexual is the compromise they go for.


Why bother in the first place, if they are worried about such a small fanbase with so many resources, etc.  Most of Sky and Zevran's dialogue didn't change much between the two genders. Most of the s/s romances feel tacked on, like they want to put something there just to be "inclusive".  Whatever.

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Collider wrote...

I don't remember any full-featured romances in Bioware games yet that were not with a party member. That is why I am skeptical.


I am unsure about the term 'full-featured romance,' but you could have a romance with Aarin Gend and Aribeth in Neverwinter Nights.  They are NPCs and not companions. 

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Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Sal_add wrote...

I want a gay not bi.....


Mm...that has a next to zero chance of happening at this point in time.


Really?  That's dumb.  Is it that hard, Bioware?


I started typing up a response, but then I realized David Gaider could say it better than I ever could. Here's some of his response about it. A lot of it boils down to same-sex romances appeal to a small portion of their audience, and exclusively homosexual romances would see even less. It's hard to justify, from a business perspective, all that time and money and space devoted to a portion most gamers won't ever take advantage of.

I say "at this point in time", because, who knows? With time and technology, exclusively same-sex romances might be viable. At this time, bisexual is the compromise they go for.


Why bother in the first place, if they are worried about such a small fanbase with so many resources, etc.  Most of Sky and Zevran's dialogue didn't change much between the two genders. Most of the s/s romances feel tacked on, like they want to put something there just to be "inclusive".  Whatever.


If that's how you feel, I'm sorry. A lot of gay gamers--here and elsewhere--really adored Zevran's romance. A sizable chunk of his dialogue--certainly not all of it--was altered.

However, an exclusive gay romance would require every bit of dialogue to be tailored to a a small portion of gamers. At this point, BioWare is the only company that does s/s, except for, like, Bully, but that ending pretty nastily for anyone who didn't like the "canon" girlfriend. I'm not saying you shouldn't want one, but at this point you should be gunning for it to even be included, let only be exclusive.

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The Sims has been doing free love since 2000. Would be interesting to know what percentage of players pursued M/F vs. M/M or F/F relationships. But The Sims is really just a big sandbox game without a the emotion writers can put into an RPG.

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ErichHartmann wrote...

The Sims has been doing free love since 2000. Would be interesting to know what percentage of players pursued M/F vs. M/M or F/F relationships. But The Sims is really just a big sandbox game without a the emotion writers can put into an RPG.


It's also a game that can consist of pretty elaborate death traps, sex, robbery, and so on--it's just all in the name of pretty, pretty pixels in glorious dollhouses. As well as a game I think any Fox News correspondent secretly plays.

On a serious note, yeah, that's pretty much it--there's nothing in depth about the romances, and it doesn't require any extra time to allow for gay romance. They can't speak or interact or have meaningful relationships. It's not the same as crafting a romance for DAII.

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My only qualm with the Zevran m/m romance was that it never manifested outside of camp. Using a mod to get Alistair was in some ways better (even though he still refers to the PC as female) because the relationship made itself known outside of camp, which never happens with Zev.