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[PsyrenY]

DarkWillUser wrote...

Are we even sure there is GOING to be an option for male on male romance? I look at what was going one with Mass Effect and have my doubts, especially with Stanley Woo's speech about how BioWare is a dictatorship that gets to do what it wants regardless of the wishes of the players.

Dragon Age has a bit more in its favor though:

- The first game already had m/m content, and David pointed out (in this very thread) that not only did it not hurt sales, the content was actually pretty popular;
- DA isn't trying to pick up the "Halo crowd" like ME is;
- David's speech on "majority tyranny" gives me a lot of hope in this regard.

[connorthedragonslayer]

distinguetraces wrote...



But ... a mix between hardened Leliana and Anders sounds pretty much exactly like Zevran.

Not really imo. Anders was funny, Zevran was not. Leliana was likeable and interesting, Zevran was not. And neither of them were desperate, arrogant tramps. Zevran reminded me much more of something from an Oscar Wilde novel than either Anders or Leliana.

Modifié par connorthedragonslayer, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:32 .

[Russalka]

Third page, I think not.



I realised that if going by the rule of avoiding repeating things too much, the other mage besides Bethany is going to be male.

Could that be the nerdy young wizard so many pervs have coveted for?



Yeah, it's a stretch, but I guess fans are allowed to be desperate.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Sal_add wrote...

exoproto wrote...

FaintlyAlarmed wrote...

I want a more quiet and reserved character for a m/m romance... maybe even a little straitlaced. A warrior for preference, but a mage would be fine as well. It would be fun to pull him out of his shell and get him to open up to you. Something a little slower-paced, maybe - not a straight-off-the-bat romance, but something that starts out as a friendship/bromance and only once you gain his trust and regard does the PC get the option to start pulling it in a more romantic direction.

This. <3

YEA!

I'll throw my orgasmatronified "YES!" at this.

Romances based on, you know, actual friendship and bonding.

[Russalka]

That would certainly avoid the "bisexuals being loose" thing Zevran had.



Was Leliana ever loose?

[Greifvogel]

Bromance is the most popular suggestion so far. I approve.



So long it ain't Jacob.

[Russalka]

Wish this thread had as much discussion as the F/F thread does. -.-

[highcastle]

Russalka wrote...

That would certainly avoid the "bisexuals being loose" thing Zevran had.

Was Leliana ever loose?

No. Which is good, since it implies Zevran's "looseness" as it were stems from his character rather than his sexuality. So at least we can avoid a few unfortunate implications. Really, most of Zevran's attitudes towards sex stem from his childhood in a ****house and then being giving to the Antivan Crows. He has several quite justifiable reasons for his sexuality. And let's not forget, part of his character is hitting on anything that moves as a way to keep people at a distance. It works quite well on Wynne, for instance.

[Chris Readman]

highcastle wrote...

Russalka wrote...

That would certainly avoid the "bisexuals being loose" thing Zevran had.

Was Leliana ever loose?

No. Which is good, since it implies Zevran's "looseness" as it were stems from his character rather than his sexuality. So at least we can avoid a few unfortunate implications. Really, most of Zevran's attitudes towards sex stem from his childhood in a ****house and then being giving to the Antivan Crows. He has several quite justifiable reasons for his sexuality. And let's not forget, part of his character is hitting on anything that moves as a way to keep people at a distance. It works quite well on Wynne, for instance.

This is totally true, but unfortunately, most people won't see that. They'll probably just notice the fact that he is bisexual, and that he is loose, and just jump to conclusions.

Anyway, most people here seem to like the idea of a male love interest who is quiet, and preferably not a rogue. I actually do agree that it shouldn't be a rogue again, but to be fair to Bioware, we've had only 3 bisexual rogues that I know of (Leliana, Zevran and Sky).

But I find it strange that people like someone quiet and shy. I mean, how would conversations with this person go? I actually don't mind the idea, but I really wonder how you script such a romance or friendship in a non-boring way.

[Abispa]

Speaking from personal experience, I've noticed that my brother, who is gay, is CONSTANTLY being asked out and hit on by women, so much so that I think, "Thank you very much, honey, but I'm looking for a good man, too," is permanently burned into my brain. [None of them asked about me though. *sniffle*] What if Bioware creates a male character who is every woman's dream, and he tells your Ladyhawke, "Sorry, I'm gay." I can just see all the angry forum threads now, DEMANDING a straight or bi-sexual patch for him. I'm not a big fan of making every character a bi-sexual option, being disappointed would increase realism that so many fans say they want.

[David Gaider]

Chris Readman wrote...
This is totally true, but unfortunately, most people won't see that. They'll probably just notice the fact that he is bisexual, and that he is loose, and just jump to conclusions.

I've noticed some people also think that once they've slept with Zevran the romance is over. Unlike with, say, Alistair at that point the romance is only really beginning.

He's not everyone's favorite, of course, but then again no romance ever is. I sometimes find the "he wasn't the right type of gay" comments irritating, especially those who made outraged comments on the forums at the time because clearly he represented my/our ideas on homosexuality/bisexuality as a whole rather than being simply a single character-- like he was social commentary.

If I ever did another romance like that, I doubt I'd do the same thing-- I'd tend to want to try something new each time I'm working on a romance (or any character, really) but some of the inane comments do make me want to do the exact opposite sometimes. Just out of spite.

Anyway, most people here seem to like the idea of a male love interest who is quiet, and preferably not a rogue. I actually do agree that it shouldn't be a rogue again, but to be fair to Bioware, we've had only 3 bisexual rogues that I know of (Leliana, Zevran and Sky).

I'm not sure why people would assume we'd do another character exactly the same as the one before.

And as for the type of character people think they want, I suspect there's a difference between what people think they'd want and what they'd actually like if they got it. But maybe that's just me. Personally, the worst characters I've written or that some of the other writers I work with have written have been the ones that other people thought we should write rather than the ones we felt inspired by.

But I find it strange that people like someone quiet and shy. I mean, how would conversations with this person go? I actually don't mind the idea, but I really wonder how you script such a romance or friendship in a non-boring way.

That'd be my take on it. I think sometimes people project the kind of romance they'd like to have in real life onto the kind of romance they'd like to have in a game-- that's where comments like "can we date?" come into play. I don't doubt there's some overlap, as you'd want a character that appeals to you personally on some level (which they never will for everyone, so I don't worry about that aspect myself) but until people in real life start meeting friends and potential romance partners by heading out into the world and slaughtering foes at each other's side I don't think there's a great basis for comparison.

Modifié par David Gaider, 15 septembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[Collider]

Well Bioware has had a trend of bisexual rogues (or related professions). Judging from that fact I don't think worry about a repeat is completely unfounded.

[Greifvogel]

Abispa wrote...

What if Bioware creates a male character who is every woman's dream, and he tells your Ladyhawke, "Sorry, I'm gay." I can just see all the angry forum threads now, DEMANDING a straight or bi-sexual patch for him. I'm not a big fan of making every character a bi-sexual option, being disappointed would increase realism that so many fans say they want.

Likely, Lady Hawke will burn with too much awesome for that.

[HopHazzard]

David Gaider wrote...

but until people in real life start meeting friends and potential romance partners by heading out into the world and slaughtering foes at each other's side I don't think there's a great basis for comparison.

Dear Maker, if only it were that easy!

[SteveGarbage]

David Gaider wrote...

And as for the type of character people think they want, I suspect there's a difference between what people think they'd want and what they'd actually like if they got it. But maybe that's just me. Personally, the worst characters I've written or that some of the other writers I work with have written have been the ones that other people thought we should write rather than the ones we felt inspired by.

That's the flat truth right there about writing. Writing is an art, and art is a personal thing and writers have to be a bit selfish in protecting their own vision sometimes. I've sat through enough creative writing workshops to know that critique and suggestion can help sometimes but there are other times when you have to believe what you have is good and right and screw everyone else.

[Ninja Mage]

I think having a male love interest that was a bit of a flirt would be fun too. I liked how Zevran always had an innuendo about something. It really added to the romance

[Russalka]

I personally don't think Zevran actually was something of a "stereotypical bisexual" type. What I do remember of the talks and threads of Zevran though, is this seeping opinion of how typical he is, how they couldn't write a bisexual male in any better way and so on.



Having said that, I still hope for cardinal new ideas. Like I've said before, here and in other threads, is how I dislike comparing potential new companions to old ones. I wouldn't want an improved and new Zevran, but a new person.

[Collider]

I don't want another flirty bisexual male character again. That was Zevran's deal.

I would welcome a noble type character.



That said, the most important thing is if the character is well written. I'd hate for us to get Mr. "Flirts with everyone & I prefer women but hey you'll do" though.

[Russalka]

Oh well, these threads will keep dying and reviving every good hour, while on an information rush the topic would be bustling.



How early in DA:O development did they start revealing tidbits about romance?

[Collider]

Russalka wrote...

Oh well, these threads will keep dying and reviving every good hour, while on an information rush the topic would be bustling.

How early in DA:O development did they start revealing tidbits about romance?

I don't know. But they didn't even reveal M/M romances before the game was released. I imagine the same was for Leliana, but I'm not sure.

[Radahldo]

Gaider or somewhat mentioned Zevrans 'foreign objects' joke early on I think.

[highcastle]

Collider wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Oh well, these threads will keep dying and reviving every good hour, while on an information rush the topic would be bustling.

How early in DA:O development did they start revealing tidbits about romance?

I don't know. But they didn't even reveal M/M romances before the game was released. I imagine the same was for Leliana, but I'm not sure.

It took a little while, but once we knew who the romances were, it wasn't long before it was confirmed there would be gay options. We didn't find out those options until a few weeks before launch, though, when reviewers got their hands on the game and leaked the details. Personally, I'm happy that it hasn't been absolutely denied at this point. That was definitely something I missed in Mass Effect 2 and greatly appreciated in DA.

[Collider]

Yea. It was some Russian (may have been another language) magazine or game website that revealed it. They already had a copy of the game. It was shortly before the game's release as you said.



Based upon that precedent, that is what I expect for DA2. Some (possibly all) of the heterosexual romances will be revealed by Bioware themselves before release, but they will not reveal homosexual romances before release - meaning that the earliest would probably be a few weeks before DA2 is released.

[PsyrenY]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not sure why people would assume we'd do another character exactly the same as the one before.

No, not "exactly..."

I'm not trying to rock the boat in the slightest Dave - I think your posts here have been awesome and insightful and definitely would like to see more of them - but I do have to note that "bisexual rogue" seems to be a trope over at Bioware, for all the other differences those characters had among them. Sky, Silk Fox, Leliana, Zevran... you can't blame people for wanting to "head it off at the pass," as it were, while there is still hope of getting something else.

And if anything I just said makes you want to spite us with another bisexual rogue... then I will shut up immediately and eat my shoe.

[Collider]

I suppose that means you get what I meant, Optimystic. What you posted here:

I'm not trying to rock the boat in the slightest Dave - I think your posts here have been awesome and insightful and definitely would like to see more of them - but I do have to note that "bisexual rogue" seems to be a trope over at Bioware, for all the other differences those characters had among them. Sky, Silk Fox, Leliana, Zevran... you can't blame people for wanting to "head it off at the pass," as it were, while there is still hope of getting something else.

is basically what I had been saying in less ambiguous form. The only bisexual romance interest not to fit the trend was Liara.