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[Lord_Valandil]

Saibh wrote...

Russalka wrote...

For some reason, all the love interests in Dragon Age: Origins kind of screamed of romance from start to me, with their younger and/or attractive appearance.

I do wonder if it will be the case again.

Yeah--it's usually pretty easy to tell who will be romancable in BioWare games. Young and attractive. ME2 had a bit more of a problem, what with Garrus and Thane redefining exactly what "attractive" means in the ME universe. Still, most people were able to guess Thane would be a LI. And Miranda, Jacob, and Jack were a given.

Guessing that Zevran would be the bi LI (if there was one, which we didn't find out until really soon before release) was pretty easy too, when compared to Alistair.

Come on, Alistair doesn't have that "manly man" feel. I wouldn't have been shocked if he turned out to be the bi-LI.
And...What's the problem with young and attractive? I wouldn't prefer old and/or ugly. Like, say...Flemeth for LI? Not for me. Also...Jack wasn't attractive, at least for me  

Jacob...the priiiiiiize. I would like to see some priiiiize dialogue in DA2.

[Saibh]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Come on, Alistair doesn't have that "manly man" feel. I wouldn't have been shocked if he turned out to be the bi-LI.
And...What's the problem with young and attractive? I wouldn't prefer old and/or ugly. Like, say...Flemeth for LI? Not for me. Also...Jack wasn't attractive, at least for me  

Jacob...the priiiiiiize. I would like to see some priiiiize dialogue in DA2.

I never said I had a problem with it, I'm just saying they're easy to pick out.

Besides that, Alistair had a big jaw, a hooked nose, was a tall human male with a mostly masculine and strong voice (except on occasion), and was the lead male. Zevran was an effeminate elf with a flamboyant accent and thick lips.

It was really obvious who was who.

I think Jack has the most beautiful face of the women in ME to counteract the tattooed bald thing. It's still not easy to notice, but give her hair and tone down the make-up and she's easily more beautiful than Miranda or Ashley.

Modifié par Saibh, 25 octobre 2010 - 05:40 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Saibh wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Come on, Alistair doesn't have that "manly man" feel. I wouldn't have been shocked if he turned out to be the bi-LI.
And...What's the problem with young and attractive? I wouldn't prefer old and/or ugly. Like, say...Flemeth for LI? Not for me. Also...Jack wasn't attractive, at least for me  

Jacob...the priiiiiiize. I would like to see some priiiiize dialogue in DA2.

I never said I had a problem with it, I'm just saying they're easy to pick out.

Besides that, Alistair had a big jaw, a hooked nose, was a tall human male with a mostly masculine and strong voice (except on occasion), and was the lead male. Zevran was an effeminate elf with a flamboyant accent and thick lips.

It was really obvious who was who.

I think Jack has the most beautiful face of the women in ME to counteract the tattooed bald thing. It's still not easy to notice, but give her hair and tone down the make-up and she's easily more beautiful than Miranda or Ashley.

Oh, I understand now. Yeah...the tattooed bald thing killed her for me. I'm not into tattooed bald girls  not to discriminate, but certainly, not my cup of tea.
And about Alistair and Zevran, I agree with you. Zevran is funny, though.

[The Lesser Evil]

Can we have someone like Anders? I'm playing through Awakening with my male human Mage right now, and I just know Anders would jump at the chance for some private magic tutoring if the dialogue and character interaction weren't so limited.

He's fun, and seems to fit somewhere between Alistair and Zevran when it comes to his personality. I'd like someone like that for my male Hawke.

[Charsen]

Saibh wrote...
Besides that, Alistair had a big jaw, a hooked nose, was a tall human male with a mostly masculine and strong voice (except on occasion), and was the lead male. Zevran was an effeminate elf with a flamboyant accent and thick lips.

It was really obvious who was who.

i agree with you there. the only reason i romanced zevran is because it was an option, and i was really surprised it was available. i figured i'd be playing my normal chaste gay hero as usual, ala ME1 and 2. the only reason i "like" zevran is because he was an option for me. zevran was stereotypical (sexualized elf with blonde prettyboy hair) in a lot of ways. i am not fond of the character any more than the others in DAO. 

i would love for DA2 to have a non-elf, non-effeminate, non-assassin/rogue, non-morally questionable romantic option for gay/bi males. less twink, more muscle. but hey, what can you do. here's to hoping, right?

Modifié par Charsen, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:31 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

I don't want my characters in a video game involved in any kind of gay relationship. If there is an option to do so, no prob, some people may like it, that's ok as long as noone is forced to do so yet I, personally, do not want to get in any homosexual relationship with the hero I play, it just does not seem to work for me and breaks with the image of a classic hero.



I do not want, in any way, to discriminate or offend homosexual people, in the contrary, I respect those people, even a friend of mine is gay yet having a homosexual hero just does not seem to fit to the image you get when you think of a historical hero. It's cliché, yes, maybe, yet it's an opinion that everyone asking for M/M romances has to accept as well. Furthermore, it does not seem to fit well into the medieval setting DA is based on, I'd imagine that the folk would be pretty upset if their hero was indeed homosexual. This has, fortunately, changed completely nowadays and it's accepted in any modern country right now, but back at medieval times it seems...less credible.

[Ryzaki]

...You're really arguing that there was no such thing as gay medieval heroes? Really? No offense dude but...that's wrong.

And the sad truth is that it was more common for those than female medieval heroes. As much as I like my female heroes.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:36 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

Ryzaki wrote...

...You're really arguing that there was no such thing as gay medieval heros? Really? No offense dude but...that's wrong.

No, that's not exactly what I tried to say. Think about it, what would rather be accepted? The heterosexual guy with a wife and a son or a daughter? Or the homosexual guy? I, by no means, want to say that any of those things is "better" yet it's about what would be more easily accepted.

[Russalka]

Alexander, anyone?

Bah, not medieval. Well, this is a world that does not need to necessarily be true to its influences. Women should not have any weapons at all, if otherwise.

Modifié par Russalka, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:57 .

[Isaidlunch]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
I do not want, in any way, to discriminate or offend homosexual people, in the contrary, I respect those people, even a friend of mine is gay yet having a homosexual hero just does not seem to fit to the image you get when you think of a historical hero. It's cliché, yes, maybe, yet it's an opinion that everyone asking for M/M romances has to accept as well. Furthermore, it does not seem to fit well into the medieval setting DA is based on, I'd imagine that the folk would be pretty upset if their hero was indeed homosexual. This has, fortunately, changed completely nowadays and it's accepted in any modern country right now, but back at medieval times it seems...less credible.

The people of Thedas (or at least Ferelden) seem to be indifferent when it comes to someone's sexual preference and praise a hero for their actions despite whether they're gay or not, like with the Warden in Origins. As for whether it should be like this, sure it may seem a teeny bit unrealistic but taking out M/M romances because people would be upset with a gay hero would mean that homophobia exists in the DA universe. That would upset a lot of people, the last thing they want is NPC's in a video game making fun of or judging their sexuality.

Modifié par Kazanth, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:30 .

[Collider]

Why would we need to fit the image of the historical hero? Pfft. Some of what Dragon Age is about is doing away with those fantasy stereotypes. In addition, the "historical hero" does not kill people for just about no reason, yet the Warden is completely able to do that in DA:O. Be a complete psycho and jerk to everyone.



Also, Dragon Age is not bound to human medieval history. Not to mention it's a completely different universe.

[Tranceptor]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
Furthermore, it does not seem to fit well into the medieval setting DA is based on, I'd imagine that the folk would be pretty upset if their hero was indeed homosexual. This has, fortunately, changed completely nowadays and it's accepted in any modern country right now, but back at medieval times it seems...less credible.

I don't think so, no one seems to bat an eye if the warden is gay in DA. You don't seem to like it for your own game though, which is fine and I wont get on your case about it. But I doubt the rest of ferelden would care all that much.

[highcastle]

For one thing, Dragon Age takes place in a fictional realm without the morality of ours. So applying medieval Earth standards to Thedas's is a bit incongruous. Second, there were plenty of gay individuals during the middle ages. Richard the Lionheart's sexuality has been questioned time and time again. George Villiers (first Duke of Buckingham) was likely gay, while King James I was bisexual. As others have noted, Alexander the Great and plenty of other figures from Ancient Greek and Roman times are also questionable figures, mostly because of the different ways sexuality was regarded back then.

Any anthropologist will tell you that gender and sexuality is very much a product of the culture surrounding it. There are cultures out there that recognize more than two genders, as well as cultures with a different view of sexual orientations. The culture of Thedas is not the culture of Europe, though it was inspired by some European traditions. Thus, there's no reason we can't have a gay main character. And if you'd rather not play one, then don't pursue the gay romance arcs.

[Charsen]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...You're really arguing that there was no such thing as gay medieval heros? Really? No offense dude but...that's wrong.

No, that's not exactly what I tried to say. Think about it, what would rather be accepted? The heterosexual guy with a wife and a son or a daughter? Or the homosexual guy? I, by no means, want to say that any of those things is "better" yet it's about what would be more easily accepted.

first of all, it's a fantasy setting and we don't know what is accepted because it's not based on real life or any one real culture.

but in any case, there were gay heroes IRL. gay knights, and kings and queens, generals of armys, presidents and first wives, explorers and and all of that and more. was their sexuality hidden by homophobic historians? of course. does that mean they weren't accepted in their day? nope.

the only way to break this homophobia is to buck up and break out of the box built by stereotypes. if you have a problem thinking of a hero as gay, do you have a problem with a hero being dark skinned? female? very young? old? Are you assuming all queers are flamboyant flamers? (not that there's anything wrong with that either) the only reason you can't picture a gay hero is because when you think of someone as gay, you're picturing some static 2-D representation of a human summarized in a single word.

saying that you don't think a gay hero would be accepted is like saying a dark skinned hero wouldn't be accepted. accepted by whom? you? me? because it's a game, and the only person it's beholden to is the player.

now, this thread, from what i understand, isn't about what people think who aren't going to have a male/male romance. so really, your approval is neither desired, nor required. 

regardless folks, it will be modded in. 

[Saibh]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I don't want my characters in a video game involved in any kind of gay relationship. If there is an option to do so, no prob, some people may like it, that's ok as long as noone is forced to do so yet I, personally, do not want to get in any homosexual relationship with the hero I play, it just does not seem to work for me and breaks with the image of a classic hero.

The intent icons clear up any issues with accidental romance. I don't think I've actually accidentally romanced someone in a BioWare game except ME1 (well, that was more like a forced romance), but the triggers are even more obvious now.

If you want it so that bisexual or gay people never flirt or hit on you, or that homosexuality never comes near you in game, that's not realistic. It has to do with the character: if they are likely to hit on you because it's in their nature to be flirty, then they will. That's just realism. Thedas has a different (more modern) view upon sexuality than medieval Europe.

Modifié par Saibh, 27 octobre 2010 - 02:07 .

[Dhiro]

I liked that Zevran hit on us, actually. People can tell anything they want about this "gaydar", I don't have it. Or Warden is, at least, attractive (even if you make a real ugly Warden people will still say how beautiful you are) and Zevran is interested. Obviously, he can't know if the Warden is gay or not, he have to ask.

The same thing happens on real life. People keep saying how they'll start a rampage if a gay guy flirt with them, but it's not like the gay guy will know. If the straight guy sends some "gay vibes" or whatever, it's hardly anyone's fault.

[Charsen]

Dhiro wrote...
The same thing happens on real life. People keep saying how they'll start a rampage if a gay guy flirt with them, but it's not like the gay guy will know. If the straight guy sends some "gay vibes" or whatever, it's hardly anyone's fault.

yes, and really when someone says stuff like that, it's very nerve wracking. what if you make a mistake and flirt with a straight guy who does rampage? it's actually sometimes a bit scary. worst thing is, they feel justified in their overreaction, as if it's some grave insult. some straights who say that stuff don't realize how this sounds from the other point of view. you know what i do if a girl flirts with me? i friend zone it politely but am flattered.

i don't see a problem with the NPCs hitting on us at all. it's a game. we have to know because the subtle facial and body cues are not there, unlike IRL, where we still misread things sometimes.

Modifié par Charsen, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:04 .

[Ryzaki]

Eh. I don't mind flirting s/s or otherwise as long as I can shut them down early. Hearing the others talk about my Warden like a prize just made me want to have a "I wouldn't touch any of you with a 20 foot pole. Can we keep going now?" dialogue option. >_>

[Dhiro]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh. I don't mind flirting s/s or otherwise as long as I can shut them down early. Hearing the others talk about my Warden like a prize just made me want to have a "I wouldn't touch any of you with a 20 foot pole. Can we keep going now?" dialogue option. >_>

LOL

Well, at least Zevran ask if your Warden is ******/bi/Zevranssexual and you can turn him down.

[Tranceptor]

Charsen wrote...

i don't see a problem with the NPCs hitting on us at all. it's a game. we have to know because the subtle facial and body cues are not there, unlike IRL, where we still misread things sometimes.

I don't see a problem with it either, it's not like anyone is being forced to play as a gay character.

[BENIICHAT]

before I comeback to read this topic on page 21, I want to say somthing.



I like Zevran and Sky (from Jade Empire) , but I want to see Real Gay NPC for Romance (If Possible)





Sorry for my poor English Writting Skill... T_T

[chop suey]

highcastle wrote...

For one thing, Dragon Age takes place in a fictional realm without the morality of ours. So applying medieval Earth standards to Thedas's is a bit incongruous. Second, there were plenty of gay individuals during the middle ages. Richard the Lionheart's sexuality has been questioned time and time again. George Villiers (first Duke of Buckingham) was likely gay, while King James I was bisexual. As others have noted, Alexander the Great and plenty of other figures from Ancient Greek and Roman times are also questionable figures, mostly because of the different ways sexuality was regarded back then.
Any anthropologist will tell you that gender and sexuality is very much a product of the culture surrounding it. There are cultures out there that recognize more than two genders, as well as cultures with a different view of sexual orientations. The culture of Thedas is not the culture of Europe, though it was inspired by some European traditions. Thus, there's no reason we can't have a gay main character. And if you'd rather not play one, then don't pursue the gay romance arcs.

Im not going to say what the catholic church did to homosexuals because it was cruel. Most of those people you listed sexuality was up for debate, not confirmed.  King Richard was accused of having an affair with King Philip of France because it was common curitosy back then to share half your bed with a guest, hence why they only start questioning his sexuality recently.  Alexander the Great had a good chance of being bi put he was in marriages that were political.  Only evidence if he was bi were from paintings.  King James had close male friends but wthether they were sexual is up for debate. Personally when I think of influential homosexuals, i think of hadrian.  he helped shape rome until it's fall.

what i'm trying to say is in a medieval game setting it is sort of unrealistic to be openly gay, I have no problems with s/s romances.  I just thought it was wierd that noone commented on your s/s romances in your party.

[Dhiro]

Hmmm... I'm almost sure David Gaider talked about homossexuality in Ferelden in the old Bioware forum...



It was something along the lines:



"A man/woman can have a relationship with other man/woman, but they must be discrets and know that they're expected to marry one day."



I'll try to find the old thread.

[TrackerTrem]

Did David Gaider say that? I thought he said all people in Ferelden were more used to m/m and f/f and it was out in the open

[Ryzaki]

...Wasn't it regarded more of a curiosty? Like a green haired person. You kind of look and go. "oookay...." but you don't come out with fire and pitchforks.

Also nobles were expected to marry and carry on the family name regardless of sexual orientation. (I think?) But honestly that's not surprising. They were expected to do the same if they fell in love with someone of a lower class as well.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:10 .