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[Dhiro]

I read it looong time ago, so I could actually be quite mistaken @_@

[Moonfish88]

i would love for DA2 to have a non-elf, non-effeminate, non-assassin/rogue, non-morally questionable romantic option for gay/bi males. less twink, more muscle. but hey, what can you do. here's to hoping, right?

Same here!! And I´d really like a gay (not bi) romance option, and more than one m/m option. It could be bi, I don´t care, as long as its not totally stereotypical like Zevran.

I never liked Zevran, but I romanced him solely because it was the only option. Still it´s better than ME1 and ME2 where I´m forced to play a straight guy/woman to get romances. So I never pursued any. My ME hero is gay but since there´s no romance option, I´ll leave him in the closet. =)
It was fun to pursue a relationship with Kaiden as a female Shepard, but it´d be SO MUCH better if I could have gone m/m with Kaiden. =P

About qunari, me and another gay friend actually dream about being able to romance one. That´d be SO cool and hot. We´re not your typical fragile/effeminate gay guys, we´re big and manly and we like it rough!
Me (and other friends) would prefer to romance other male characters that feel more like the guys we´d hit on - Alistair would definetely be one!

Still, I´ll be happy even if they only give us one single option. It´s not everyday that you can actually have m/m romances in a game!
Even today, most developers think that video gamers are only straight male individuals, and most games are still so sexist and both gay guys and girls need to pretend that they´re straight guys to enjoy it... bleh!
I was pretty disappointed with ME2, I was sure they´d implement a m/m romance, but the straight guys got all the fun, since female players were limited to Jacob and..... 2 ugly-ass aliens (even though Garrus has his charm, I´d never kiss him - is that even possible?).

[Dhiro]

Actually, some girls are quite happy with their ugly-ass aliens.

[Dagon]

Male on Male Romance  for Hawke, hell no

[Moonfish88]

And the about the realistic medieval setting...... PLEASE!!



Were there dragons and monsters in medieval Europe? Or darkspawn? Seriously people.

But gay people always existed and there are hundreds of known cases in European nobility.



Still, this is a work of fiction. You know what that means??

Female characters being able to fight is much more unrealistic than s/s relationship. If you know so much about medieval settings as you claim, you´d know that women were treated like dogs and the only use for them was to stay locked home 24/7 taking care of kids, being noble or not. There are very few exceptions like Joan of Arc.

But women running around in revealing outfits fighting monsters would be beaten down and sent back to do the laundry by their husbands/parents or simply burned alive as witches.



Nobility had to get married and have kids so they´d protect their lineage and/or kingdom interests. It was never expected of them to love or be faithful to their partners.It was all politics.

[Moonfish88]

Dhiro wrote...

Actually, some girls are quite happy with their ugly-ass aliens.

I wasn´t. Oh wait I´m not a girl. Hummm.
I hade my fem Shepard romance Garrus cuz he has such a cool personality (and sexy voice) but Thane is just.... yuck, a fish!

[Dhiro]

Female light armors are as much revealing as male light armors, if you have to jump and run and etc you need freedom.



Kidding, Nathaniel just want to get naked. The jerk.

[Moonfish88]

I wouldn´t mind Nathaniel naked, but Anders or Alistair would be far more interesting.

[BENIICHAT]

Moonfish88 wrote...

I wouldn´t mind Nathaniel naked, but Anders or Alistair would be far more interesting.

Anders and Alistairs...Yes I agree with You ..


and I want to see Gay's Romance option like you too.



Sorry for my poor English

[Taura-Tierno]

Moonfish88 wrote...

And the about the realistic medieval setting...... PLEASE!!

Were there dragons and monsters in medieval Europe? Or darkspawn? Seriously people.
But gay people always existed and there are hundreds of known cases in European nobility.

Still, this is a work of fiction. You know what that means??
Female characters being able to fight is much more unrealistic than s/s relationship. If you know so much about medieval settings as you claim, you´d know that women were treated like dogs and the only use for them was to stay locked home 24/7 taking care of kids, being noble or not. There are very few exceptions like Joan of Arc.
But women running around in revealing outfits fighting monsters would be beaten down and sent back to do the laundry by their husbands/parents or simply burned alive as witches.

Nobility had to get married and have kids so they´d protect their lineage and/or kingdom interests. It was never expected of them to love or be faithful to their partners.It was all politics.

This. 

Since DA is fiction, the developers can decide themselves how acceptable it is or isn't to be openly gay.

Although I actually wouldn't mind if some companion was a bit intolerant and commented upon a potential gay relationship. Could make some interesting interactions. 

[exoproto]

Moonfish88 wrote...


It was fun to pursue a relationship with Kaiden as a female Shepard, but it´d be SO MUCH better if I could have gone m/m with Kaiden. =P

Off-topic, but.. you can if you have a PC. I know I tried it just to see if it was true, and if you don't believe me...



Back on topic, I agree with the non-effeminate LI.

[Bamsemisbruker]

A dwarf you starts out a homophobic burly guy who seems to be very manly. But when you become more friendly he softens a bit actually realize he is gay

[TrackerTrem]

I dont want a dwarf though, I want Qunari stud. If Varric is the gay love interest I'm going to romance one of the girls...

[Ryzaki]

Meh I'd just be happy with a human warrior. (Or mage). Just...not another rogue.



Isabela's already a rogue as if Varric so if I'm lucky and Varric's not the male s/s romance I might actually have my warrior or mage male s/s romance.

[NKKKK]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...You're really arguing that there was no such thing as gay medieval heros? Really? No offense dude but...that's wrong.

No, that's not exactly what I tried to say. Think about it, what would rather be accepted? The heterosexual guy with a wife and a son or a daughter? Or the homosexual guy? I, by no means, want to say that any of those things is "better" yet it's about what would be more easily accepted.

It's a good thing this isn't medievel Europe, but a fictional mdeival setting in a fictional world. Where we have a matriachal religion whos scriptures say nothing about homosexuality and how that can be intrepted all the way to the westboro baptist church.

Thank God for the Chantry.

[maxernst]

NKKKK wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...You're really arguing that there was no such thing as gay medieval heros? Really? No offense dude but...that's wrong.

No, that's not exactly what I tried to say. Think about it, what would rather be accepted? The heterosexual guy with a wife and a son or a daughter? Or the homosexual guy? I, by no means, want to say that any of those things is "better" yet it's about what would be more easily accepted.

It's a good thing this isn't medievel Europe, but a fictional mdeival setting in a fictional world. Where we have a matriachal religion whos scriptures say nothing about homosexuality and how that can be intrepted all the way to the westboro baptist church.

Thank God for the Chantry.

Based on what we've seen in DA:O from the Zevran romance, homosexuality isn't seen as that big a deal in Ferelden, and if anything, I'd think Ferelden would be on the conservative end of Thedas societies.  Besides, it seems very likely that there will be girl-on-girl action in DA2 (given what we saw of Isabela in DA:O), so why not some boy-on-boy.

Modifié par maxernst, 28 octobre 2010 - 10:45 .

[ejoslin]

Moonfish88 wrote...

i would love for DA2 to have a non-elf, non-effeminate, non-assassin/rogue, non-morally questionable romantic option for gay/bi males. less twink, more muscle. but hey, what can you do. here's to hoping, right?

Same here!! And I´d really like a gay (not bi) romance option, and more than one m/m option. It could be bi, I don´t care, as long as its not totally stereotypical like Zevran.

I'm not asking this to attack you, but I genuinely am curious.  As a straight woman who really REALLY likes the Zevran romance, how is his romance stereotypical?  I like that his romance ends up completely committed, to the point where you may end up engaged to him, either as a male or female.  

I'm mostly curious because the m/m and the m/f variants of his romance are very similar, and I never felt that as a straight romance it was off.  He is smaller than a human, but that's because he's an elf, not because he's gay.  I don't find his looks effeminate (nor his voice) except in certain fanfics.  Or do you mean something else?

It's just that I've read this before, and I've never really understood this.

All that said, I really hope there's a m/m Hawke romance.  Of course, I'd be happy if he's bi, but that's just me wanting more variety.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

maxernst wrote...

Based on what we've seen in DA:O from the Zevran romance, homosexuality isn't seen as that big a deal in Ferelden, and if anything, I'd think Ferelden would be on the conservative end of Thedas societies.  Besides, it seems very likely that there will be girl-on-girl action in DA2 (given what we saw of Isabela in DA:O), so why not some boy-on-boy.

I'm unsure.

Zevran is Antivan, Isabela is Rivaini, Leliana is Orlesian, so their relationships with the PC can't exactly be an example of what is accepted in Ferelden.

Not that being gay isn't accepted by Fereldens, but some of the cultures demand marriage to the other gender. City Elf, for instance, requires marriage for a child to be deemed an adult in society, and the spouse is chosen by parents or alienage elder. Zevran has an interesting line for male Wardens if he learns the PC was to be married, something like: "What happened? Did they discover that you prefer...?"

It seems like extra-curricular activities with the same gender is fine, but marriage to the opposite gender will be expected one day (as someone else mentioned David Gaider possibly saying).

[Tranceptor]

TrackerTrem wrote...

I dont want a dwarf though, I want Qunari stud. If Varric is the gay love interest I'm going to romance one of the girls...

But he'd be the perfect height

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Moonfish88 wrote...

i would love for DA2 to have a non-elf, non-effeminate, non-assassin/rogue, non-morally questionable romantic option for gay/bi males. less twink, more muscle. but hey, what can you do. here's to hoping, right?

Same here!! And I´d really like a gay (not bi) romance option, and more than one m/m option. It could be bi, I don´t care, as long as its not totally stereotypical like Zevran.

I'm not asking this to attack you, but I genuinely am curious.  As a straight woman who really REALLY likes the Zevran romance, how is his romance stereotypical?  I like that his romance ends up completely committed, to the point where you may end up engaged to him, either as a male or female.  

I'm mostly curious because the m/m and the m/f variants of his romance are very similar, and I never felt that as a straight romance it was off.  He is smaller than a human, but that's because he's an elf, not because he's gay.  I don't find his looks effeminate (nor his voice) except in certain fanfics.  Or do you mean something else?

It's just that I've read this before, and I've never really understood this.

All that said, I really hope there's a m/m Hawke romance.  Of course, I'd be happy if he's bi, but that's just me wanting more variety.

There's a whole discussion on that: http://social.biowar...discussion/983/

Me? I personally find him creepy. But that's just me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 octobre 2010 - 11:28 .

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I'm not asking this to attack you, but I genuinely am curious.  As a straight woman who really REALLY likes the Zevran romance, how is his romance stereotypical?  I like that his romance ends up completely committed, to the point where you may end up engaged to him, either as a male or female.  

I'm mostly curious because the m/m and the m/f variants of his romance are very similar, and I never felt that as a straight romance it was off.  He is smaller than a human, but that's because he's an elf, not because he's gay.  I don't find his looks effeminate (nor his voice) except in certain fanfics.  Or do you mean something else?

It's just that I've read this before, and I've never really understood this.

All that said, I really hope there's a m/m Hawke romance.  Of course, I'd be happy if he's bi, but that's just me wanting more variety.

There's a whole discussion on that: http://social.biowar...discussion/983/

Me? I personally find him creepy. But that's just me.

Whether you find him creepy or not is a personal preference.  But creepy does not equal stereotypical.  At least, I HOPE it doesn't!

Thank you for the link!

Edit: A perfunctory glance at that topic it seems that the people commenting about him being stereotypical have only seen the beginning of the romance, not the end.  And I suppose I can see that, except it really plays very much the same as it does with the female romance, which still does not feel off.  It's more a male thing, not a gay thing.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 octobre 2010 - 11:34 .

[Ryzaki]

I wouldn't need to feel off for the female romance though. Romancing a strong, tomboyish girl who had a strong disliking for men at first for whatever reasons wouldn't feel overly "off" as a male but with a nother female she turns into a sterotype. That said I'm a straight female so /shrug I'm not the best to turn for an example.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 octobre 2010 - 11:37 .

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

I wouldn't need to feel off for the female romance though. Romancing a strong, tomboyish girl who had a strong disliking for me wouldn't feel overly "off" as a male but with a nother female she turns into a sterotype.

My point is, though, that it does feel natural for a female romance, so how could it be stereotypically gay?

Edit:  If he were effeminate, I could see your point, but he really isn't.  The beginning, if you're sleeping with him, is just as based on the physical for both.  Of course, neither gender needs to have sex with him.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 octobre 2010 - 11:38 .

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I wouldn't need to feel off for the female romance though. Romancing a strong, tomboyish girl who had a strong disliking for me wouldn't feel overly "off" as a male but with a nother female she turns into a sterotype.

My point is, though, that it does feel natural for a female romance, so how could it be stereotypically gay?  

No one argues that the romance is sterotypically gay. But rather Zev himself is a sterotype of a gay man. -Loose, flamboyant, has roguish attributes -hitting on anything that moves

He's not effeminent but he's no Sten either.

Edit: That said I only did his romance once, and he kept creeping me out so I dropped him. So I'm not the best to direct your questions too.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 octobre 2010 - 11:41 .

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

No one argues that the romance is sterotypically gay. But rather Zev himself is a sterotype of a gay man. -Loose, flamboyant, has roguish attributes,

He's not effeminent but he's no Sten either.

Hmmm, I've known plenty of loose people, gay and not.  That is not something that is stereotypically gay.  Flamboyant?  I don't see that either.  He tells both genders he actually prefers women but is open minded.  Very NOT typically gay.

Edit: And I wasn't asking you initially  I was asking the person who said he was stereotypically gay.  If you haven't seen the end of his romance, I'm not sure you can really understand it that well.  You learn more about him later.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 octobre 2010 - 11:45 .