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[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And...you don't consider him constantly hitting on party members reagardless of gender to be hammering? I did.

Yeah I actually thought Leliana was just a s/s romance option at first. (It's ridculously difficult to initate her romance late as a male for some reason.) Or maybe it was just me.

He made one comment about Alistair hopping boarders which went right over his head.  He made a joke to Oghren as well, saying if he wanted to bed him, all he had to do was ask, which was clearly a joke.  That's it.  So yeh, I don't consider that hammering on being bisexual, which is what you said.

Leliana is not that difficult to start as a romance as a male, but it can bug out if you raise her approval too quickly.  All you have to do is complement her, or ask her if her fruit is forbidden.

Personal preference I suppose. I found the hitting on nearly every party member to get tiresome.

Ah. I missed those. I did romance her approval by gift spamming so that's probably the problem.

It only works for a male warden.  Females have to wait for Leliana to be ready!

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

It only works for a male warden.  Females have to wait for Leliana to be ready!

Huh?

[chex mix]

Saibh wrote...

chex mix wrote...

Now if Isabela is a bi option in DA2, it will be like Zevran.  she has a former husband ( who apparently didn't treat her that well, and had a tumble with Zevran) and gives hints to sleeping around with her crew.  What could cause some debate is whether the Isabela was willingly to bed the Warden for fun or because she was charmed they were a Grey Warden.  She flirts with a male Warden almost right away, but doesnt start to sound suggestive of anything until after the female Warden has asked her about being a duelist.  But I'm not going to judge Isabela from what I saw in the pearl, because a dev mentioned that they had no plans for Isabela when they put her in the pearl.

Being flirty and openly sexual doesn't mean you have identical characters. I do agree, though, they walk a fine line. Also, again: Isabela flirts just as much with a female Warden--I think the only difference is the opening line, where she'll either flirt with a male Warden or simply acknowledge a female Warden's strength as a woman. That's not really her hiding her sexuality at all.

Honestly, if they're going to rewrite her entire personality, and her voice, and her appearance it seems utterly pointless to keep her on as the same character--more detrimental than anything else.

i prolly shouldn't of said more flirty but she comes onto a male the opening line unless Zev is with him.

Yea I agree, the only thing that will prolly be unchanged is, her being Captain of the Siren's call

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

It only works for a male warden.  Females have to wait for Leliana to be ready!

Huh?

The "Forbidden fruit" line.  It only turns on the romance for male characters.  As does complementing her in the same conversation.  A female has to wait until Leliana approaches her.

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

It only works for a male warden.  Females have to wait for Leliana to be ready!

Huh?

The "Forbidden fruit" line.  It only turns on the romance for male characters.  As does complementing her in the same conversation.  A female has to wait until Leliana approaches her.

Really? I always somehow triggered the fem romance by complimenting her.

...Wait...can you call her pretty as a FemWarden? Gah. This is what happens with too many mixed gender playthroughs. I get confused.

I don't think I got the forbidden fruit romance though. Hm...I need to play another FemWarden/Leliana game.

...BW needs to learn that compliments =/= wanting to sleep with someone. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 octobre 2010 - 10:16 .

[Saibh]

Ryzaki wrote...

Really? I always somehow triggered the fem romance by complimenting her.

...Wait...can you call her pretty as a FemWarden? Gah. This is what happens with too many mixed gender playthroughs. I get confused.

I don't think I got the forbidden fruit romance though. Hm...I need to play another FemWarden/Leliana game.

...BW needs to learn that compliments =/= wanting to sleep with someone. <_<

In a vanilla playthrough, I'm pretty sure the only way to trigger it is the one "I like your hair" conversation once you get back to camp.

I know you can tell Alistair he's handsome and clarify that you're just noting something. Also, I think early on the romances are in a sort of nebulous state--a low approval Alistair, Leliana, or Morrigan will react differently to coming on to Isabela than a higher approval one. It's simply that they're actively interested in you because you showed interest in them. All throughout Alistair's romance he expresses uncertainty whether you really like him or not, or if he's just imagining things. Of course, you can tell him he's just imagining things.

I think there was great roleplaying potential there. Just because you were being flirty with a character didn't mean you were really interested--it just meant they were.

[ejoslin]

Saibh wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Really? I always somehow triggered the fem romance by complimenting her.

...Wait...can you call her pretty as a FemWarden? Gah. This is what happens with too many mixed gender playthroughs. I get confused.

I don't think I got the forbidden fruit romance though. Hm...I need to play another FemWarden/Leliana game.

...BW needs to learn that compliments =/= wanting to sleep with someone. <_<

In a vanilla playthrough, I'm pretty sure the only way to trigger it is the one "I like your hair" conversation once you get back to camp.

I know you can tell Alistair he's handsome and clarify that you're just noting something. Also, I think early on the romances are in a sort of nebulous state--a low approval Alistair, Leliana, or Morrigan will react differently to coming on to Isabela than a higher approval one. It's simply that they're actively interested in you because you showed interest in them. All throughout Alistair's romance he expresses uncertainty whether you really like him or not, or if he's just imagining things. Of course, you can tell him he's just imagining things.

I think there was great roleplaying potential there. Just because you were being flirty with a character didn't mean you were really interested--it just meant they were.

Yeh, that and post-marjolaine, where if you go the wrong way, you can restart it with everyone (vanilla game).

Alistair and Zevran both have tons of romance starting lines within the dialogs themselves.  And there is a difference with Isabela depending on approval with Alistair and Leliana, and also, whether in the case of Alistair, you've already made love.  Zevran, though, Isabela has nothing to do with his romance status.  Alistair's romance status DOES contribute, however.

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 octobre 2010 - 10:32 .

[Ryzaki]

Saibh wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Really? I always somehow triggered the fem romance by complimenting her.

...Wait...can you call her pretty as a FemWarden? Gah. This is what happens with too many mixed gender playthroughs. I get confused.

I don't think I got the forbidden fruit romance though. Hm...I need to play another FemWarden/Leliana game.

...BW needs to learn that compliments =/= wanting to sleep with someone. <_<

In a vanilla playthrough, I'm pretty sure the only way to trigger it is the one "I like your hair" conversation once you get back to camp.

I know you can tell Alistair he's handsome and clarify that you're just noting something. Also, I think early on the romances are in a sort of nebulous state--a low approval Alistair, Leliana, or Morrigan will react differently to coming on to Isabela than a higher approval one. It's simply that they're actively interested in you because you showed interest in them. All throughout Alistair's romance he expresses uncertainty whether you really like him or not, or if he's just imagining things. Of course, you can tell him he's just imagining things.

I think there was great roleplaying potential there. Just because you were being flirty with a character didn't mean you were really interested--it just meant they were.

Ah. Good. But...most of my convos were always back at Camp. I learned my lesson after I triggered the Rose convo in the Mage Tower of all places.

Yeah. I thought the "I like your hair" was completely innocent. Yeah you can do so with Alistair...but what about Morrigan? 

...I don't actually being able to tell her you thought she was attractive come to think of it.

Edit: Wait. The mirror. You can tell her something like a gift for a beautiful woman.

...That's not a romance starter or romance only option is it? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 octobre 2010 - 10:35 .

[Perles75]

I still think Alistair could have worked very well as a gay character with minimal modifications (same for a lesbian Morrigan). And I also think that making believable bisexual characters is not so easy.

But I understand the point of those who prefer a fixed sexuality for the companions. However, do you realize that in this way the combinations are going to be quite limited?

[chex mix]

Saibh wrote...

ejoslin wrote..

He constantly hammered on it?  There was one conversation about it.  Hmmmm, ok, and one other story where he mentions a man as a mark.  That is hardly hammering on it constantly.

Edit: Truthfully, Leliana comes off as a lot less open about her bisexuality to a female warden than she does to a male warden.  You hear about her true love, and you know she used seduction to trap men, but using seduction and actually being attracted to your marks are very different.

I agree. There are mentions here and there, but its his sexual...ness that gets hammered in, not his sexuality.

Also, a lot of people feel like Leliana is more interested in women than men--almost all of the encounters she mentions are with women. She actually never mentions any attraction to men, IIRC.

yea i think who Lel prefers is up in the air , she is defiantly bi but the people that meant most to her were women.  She does say Zevran is attractive and makes a comment about the male being attractive later on.  oh yea and her gossip about Alistair.  she never speaks of her past much, why she prolly didnt mention the men she slept with.

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Personal preference I suppose. I found the hitting on nearly every party member to get tiresome. You forgot about Leliana, Wynne and Morrigan?

...He doesn't hit on Sten does he? I don't believe so.

Ah. I missed those. I did romance her approval by gift spamming so that's probably the problem.

I didn't forget about them -- they were irrelevant to what you originally claimed.  You said he hammered on about being bisexual, where in truth, he mentions it in one conversation that the warden initiates and asks him about specifically.

If you want to look into Leliana, Wynne, and Morrigan, and the flirting, it doesn't sound that serious to me.  He is a flirt for sure, but I honestly don't think he was trying to get Wynne into bed by talking about her magical bosom, nor is it that easy to think that he thinks a bard would be swayed by an offer to "knock boots."  Morrigan was a bet as well.  I find the dialogs funny, and some of them quite revealing about the other companions.

But yeh, he's not one for the insecure for sure.

Edit: Urgh, that is not to say anything personal about anyone (it wasn't meant that way).  I can understand why flirting makes some people uncomfortable.  I see a lot of flirting though, IRL, and most of it is NOT serious, so it's easy for me to not take it as such when I see those banters.

I also don't believe Bann Sexy, if he flirts with a female warden, is serious.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 novembre 2010 - 01:32 .

[maxernst]

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Personal preference I suppose. I found the hitting on nearly every party member to get tiresome. You forgot about Leliana, Wynne and Morrigan?

...He doesn't hit on Sten does he? I don't believe so.

Ah. I missed those. I did romance her approval by gift spamming so that's probably the problem.

I didn't forget about them -- they were irrelevant to what you originally claimed.  You said he hammered on about being bisexual, where in truth, he mentions it in one conversation that the warden initiates and asks him about specifically.

If you want to look into Leliana, Wynne, and Morrigan, and the flirting, it doesn't sound that serious to me.  He is a flirt for sure, but I honestly don't think he was trying to get Wynne into bed by talking about her magical bosom, nor is it that easy to think that he thinks a bard would be swayed by an offer to "knock boots."  Morrigan was a bet as well.  I find the dialogs funny, and some of them quite revealing about the other companions.

But yeh, he's not one for the insecure for sure.

Edit: Urgh, that is not to say anything personal about anyone (it wasn't meant that way).  I can understand why flirting makes some people uncomfortable.  I see a lot of flirting though, IRL, and most of it is NOT serious, so it's easy for me to not take it as such when I see those banters.

I also don't believe Bann Sexy, if he flirts with a female warden, is serious.  

I agree that he;s joking/teasing with most of them, but I'm not so sure about Leliana.  He may think that as a bard she would have a similarly relaxed attitude to sex and be skeptical of this chantry conversion.

[ejoslin]

maxernst wrote...

I agree that he;s joking/teasing with most of them, but I'm not so sure about Leliana.  He may think that as a bard she would have a similarly relaxed attitude to sex and be skeptical of this chantry conversion.

Possibly, but if you get the banter where she tells him to pull it out, he backs right down.  He also attacks the chantry-innocent facade more directly when she tries to find common ground with him, saying how similar they are.

So it's hard to say.  None of them struck me as very serious, but people will have their own views of things, always.

Edit: Snipped a lot of extra.

I wanted to add, though, with Leliana, it's just so over the top.  That's why I couldn't take it seriously at all.  Not that he'd turn her down given the chance, if the warden invites him to join in a foursome or something, but all other circumstances just seem a bit too much.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 novembre 2010 - 01:50 .

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Personal preference I suppose. I found the hitting on nearly every party member to get tiresome. You forgot about Leliana, Wynne and Morrigan?

...He doesn't hit on Sten does he? I don't believe so.

Ah. I missed those. I did romance her approval by gift spamming so that's probably the problem.

I didn't forget about them -- they were irrelevant to what you originally claimed.  You said he hammered on about being bisexual, where in truth, he mentions it in one conversation that the warden initiates and asks him about specifically.

If you want to look into Leliana, Wynne, and Morrigan, and the flirting, it doesn't sound that serious to me.  He is a flirt for sure, but I honestly don't think he was trying to get Wynne into bed by talking about her magical bosom, nor is it that easy to think that he thinks a bard would be swayed by an offer to "knock boots."  Morrigan was a bet as well.  I find the dialogs funny, and some of them quite revealing about the other companions.

But yeh, he's not one for the insecure for sure.

Edit: Urgh, that is not to say anything personal about anyone (it wasn't meant that way).  I can understand why flirting makes some people uncomfortable.  I see a lot of flirting though, IRL, and most of it is NOT serious, so it's easy for me to not take it as such when I see those banters.

I also don't believe Bann Sexy, if he flirts with a female warden, is serious.  

Nah. I doubt he expected it to work with Wynne or Morrigan. Though I love when Hardened Leliana calls him out on his buff. Favorite banter in the game. ...It also makes me wonder if he wasn't up to size.

Seriously though I doubt he would've turned her down had the offer been genuine.

Yeah...it wasn't about me being insecure but rather the fact that he flirts with everyone. Thus the whole bisexuality being pretty much in your face. Not to mention no one else in the party jokes around by hitting on everyone else.

Bann Sexy? Did I miss something? He flirts with a female warden? 

I Missed This? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 novembre 2010 - 01:53 .

[Saibh]

Perles75 wrote...

I still think Alistair could have worked very well as a gay character with minimal modifications (same for a lesbian Morrigan). And I also think that making believable bisexual characters is not so easy.

I can't think of many personalities that couldn't ever possibly be gay. Sexuality isn't restricted by personality. Alistair wasn't gay...because he was straight. That's simply what they chose for him. It goes farther to making the characters seem like real people, and not your puppets.

But I understand the point of those who prefer a fixed sexuality for the companions. However, do you realize that in this way the combinations are going to be quite limited?

I'm not sure what you mean by "limited". I think it'd be plain silly for every romance to be a bisexual love interest--that's completely unrealistic and rather immersion breaking. I have problems enough dealing with everyone on the Normandy wanting in Shepard's pants.

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah. Good. But...most of my convos were always back at Camp. I learned my lesson after I triggered the Rose convo in the Mage Tower of all places.

Yeah. I thought the "I like your hair" was completely innocent. Yeah you can do so with Alistair...but what about Morrigan?

Do what with Morrigan? Compliment her without it leading to romance? Depends. As I expressed earlier, I believe that romances are triggered by their active interest in you, not that you're suddenly in a mutual relationship. So complimenting Morrigan is a way for her to pursue you.

Also, you can compliment Morrigan a few times, I think. Flirtatious dialogue leads to their interest in you, as I've said.

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nah. I doubt he expected it to work with Wynne or Morrigan. Though I love when Hardened Leliana calls him out on his buff. Favorite banter in the game.

Yeah...it wasn't about me being insecure but rather the fact that he flirts with everyone. Thus the whole bisexuality being pretty much in your face. 

Bann Sexy? Did I miss something? 

He doesn't flirt with the male companions.  There is one comment about Alistair, which goes right over Alistair's head (funny) and one about Oghren, which is NOT serious at all.  He certainly doesn't flirt with Sten either. [edit: I suppose you could take the second tattoo conversation as flirting with, but again, it's such an obviously over-the-top thing.]

Bann Sexy = Bann Teagan.  He flirts with a female warden, just a little.

Edit: I love that banter with Leliana as well. 

Second edit: He will acknowledge he's interested in a male warden to both Shale and Oghren if the romance is active and they ask him about it, however.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 novembre 2010 - 01:55 .

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Nah. I doubt he expected it to work with Wynne or Morrigan. Though I love when Hardened Leliana calls him out on his buff. Favorite banter in the game.

Yeah...it wasn't about me being insecure but rather the fact that he flirts with everyone. Thus the whole bisexuality being pretty much in your face. 

Bann Sexy? Did I miss something? 

He doesn't flirt with the male companions.  There is one comment about Alistair, which goes right over Alistair's head (funny) and one about Oghren, which is NOT serious at all.  He certainly doesn't flirt with Sten either.

Bann Sexy = Bann Teagan.  He flirts with a female warden, just a little.

Edit: I love that banter with Leliana as well. 

How do we know he wasn't serious. Is it in the toolset?

JP I know it was meant in jest.
So only Morri flirts with Sten? For shame, for shame. The PC can't do it either.
What flirting? How did I miss this?  Aw...that...sucks. I missed flirting with Teagan...D: 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 novembre 2010 - 01:59 .

[Saibh]

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: He will acknowledge he's interested in a male warden to both Shale and Oghren if the romance is active and they ask him about it, however.

Actually, that dialogue always bugs me a little--only a male romance with Leliana gets acknowledged, not a female one. I find that odd.

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Nah. I doubt he expected it to work with Wynne or Morrigan. Though I love when Hardened Leliana calls him out on his buff. Favorite banter in the game.

Yeah...it wasn't about me being insecure but rather the fact that he flirts with everyone. Thus the whole bisexuality being pretty much in your face. 

Bann Sexy? Did I miss something? 

He doesn't flirt with the male companions.  There is one comment about Alistair, which goes right over Alistair's head (funny) and one about Oghren, which is NOT serious at all.  He certainly doesn't flirt with Sten either.

Bann Sexy = Bann Teagan.  He flirts with a female warden, just a little.

Edit: I love that banter with Leliana as well. 

How do we know he wasn't serious. Is it in the toolset?

JP I know it was meant in jest.

So only Morri flirts with Sten? For shame, for shame. The PC can't do it either.

What flirting? How did I miss this? 

*grin* the toolset is a BAD bad addiction!

Anyway, when you first meet Bann Teagan, you can ask him about himself, and he'll flirt a little with a female warden.  I have no clue how you missed it!  It has been the basis for much fanfic!

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

*grin* the toolset is a BAD bad addiction!

Anyway, when you first meet Bann Teagan, you can ask him about himself, and he'll flirt a little with a female warden.  I have no clue how you missed it!  It has been the basis for much fanfic!

I can only imagine.

Ah. I usually get straight to work. No time for chit chat with NPCs.

D: 

This must be rectified! *starts new game* 

[Ryzaki]

Saibh wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: He will acknowledge he's interested in a male warden to both Shale and Oghren if the romance is active and they ask him about it, however.

Actually, that dialogue always bugs me a little--only a male romance with Leliana gets acknowledged, not a female one. I find that odd.

It's not bugged? 

[maxernst]

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Nah. I doubt he expected it to work with Wynne or Morrigan. Though I love when Hardened Leliana calls him out on his buff. Favorite banter in the game.

Yeah...it wasn't about me being insecure but rather the fact that he flirts with everyone. Thus the whole bisexuality being pretty much in your face. 

Bann Sexy? Did I miss something? 

He doesn't flirt with the male companions.  There is one comment about Alistair, which goes right over Alistair's head (funny) and one about Oghren, which is NOT serious at all.  He certainly doesn't flirt with Sten either. [edit: I suppose you could take the second tattoo conversation as flirting with, but again, it's such an obviously over-the-top thing.]

He flirts with Alistair again in the tattoo conversation that doesn't trigger in the actual game, much more directly.  Although I'll grant he doesn't expect to be taken seriously.  Then again, i do think people sometimes flirt jokingly with people they really are interested in, to test the waters.

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Saibh wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: He will acknowledge he's interested in a male warden to both Shale and Oghren if the romance is active and they ask him about it, however.

Actually, that dialogue always bugs me a little--only a male romance with Leliana gets acknowledged, not a female one. I find that odd.

It's not bugged? 

No.  There is no FemWarden/Leliana specific banters for anyone.  There is one more banter for a FemWarden/Zevran than there is for a MaleWarden/Zevran, but there are those two.  Nothing like the banters there are for Alistair and Morrigan romances.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 novembre 2010 - 02:05 .

[ejoslin]

maxernst wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Nah. I doubt he expected it to work with Wynne or Morrigan. Though I love when Hardened Leliana calls him out on his buff. Favorite banter in the game.

Yeah...it wasn't about me being insecure but rather the fact that he flirts with everyone. Thus the whole bisexuality being pretty much in your face. 

Bann Sexy? Did I miss something? 

He doesn't flirt with the male companions.  There is one comment about Alistair, which goes right over Alistair's head (funny) and one about Oghren, which is NOT serious at all.  He certainly doesn't flirt with Sten either. [edit: I suppose you could take the second tattoo conversation as flirting with, but again, it's such an obviously over-the-top thing.]

He flirts with Alistair again in the tattoo conversation that doesn't trigger in the actual game, much more directly.  Although I'll grant he doesn't expect to be taken seriously.  Then again, i do think people sometimes flirt jokingly with people they really are interested in, to test the waters.

No, I know.  I actually restored those banters (have them up on youtube if you don't use my mod or are not on a pc).  Alistair doesn't know whether to take him seriously or not, but Zevran thinks it's funny.

You can read into it as being something more of course.  I don't take it that way, but my way is not the only way.  Again, like the other flirting, it is SO over-the-top.  Of course it could be testing the waters.  But it doesn't come across that way to me.

Edit: Another banter I restored, Oghren hits on Shale.  It's a riot, but again, completely obviously not serious.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 novembre 2010 - 02:08 .

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

No.  There is no FemWarden/Leliana specific banters for anyone.  There is one more banter for a FemWarden/Zevran than there is for a MaleWarden/Zevran, but there are those two.  Nothing like the banters there are for Alistair and Morrigan romances.

Aw....I am dissappoint.

How many banters does the Alistair/Morrigan romances have anyways?