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[GodWood]

Ryzaki wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Minus the existence of the male Warden and basically all evidence will point to Leliana being fully lesbian.

Not really. Doesn't she speak of seducing men quite often? And she sounds like she enjoyed it.

Seducing a male doesn't necessarily require the female to be sexually attracted to them.
And I always figured it was the hunt she enjoyed.

Stretching it I know but if someone who plays a gay femWarden really wants to they can interpret Leliana's character as strictly gay.

[ok go]

cat fights, love triangles, flirting with Zev, girl talking about Alistair....... yea she is a lesbian

[Bryy_Miller]

Russalka wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ah, I see. No, that's not what I was saying. It'd still be gay for Female Shepard because the blue-skinned aliens have human female secondary sex characteristics. It wouldn't be gay for Liara because the Asari have no concept of gay-straight. Hence my argument that "the NPCs aren't gay" is more consistent and defensible than "Shepard isn't gay."

It reminds me of the "no homosexuality in Star Wars" fiasco that happened a while ago.

And then we get the Gay Hutt.

Well, it's just because George Lucas is a bigot. No, really. Watch his movies.

[Ryzaki]

GodWood wrote...
Seducing a male doesn't necessarily require the female to be sexually attracted to them.
And I always figured it was the hunt she enjoyed.

Stretching it I know but if someone who plays a gay femWarden really wants to they can interpret Leliana's character as strictly gay.

Yeah I see that as stretching. I doubt she would've sounded so happy about the seduction if she hadn't enjoyed it somewhat. Not to mention how she flirts with a male PC.

[Herr Uhl]

Ryzaki wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Seducing a male doesn't necessarily require the female to be sexually attracted to them.
And I always figured it was the hunt she enjoyed.

Stretching it I know but if someone who plays a gay femWarden really wants to they can interpret Leliana's character as strictly gay.

Yeah I see that as stretching. I doubt she would've sounded so happy about the seduction if she hadn't enjoyed it somewhat. Not to mention how she flirts with a male PC.

If you only play a female PC, you wouldn't know that. Which is what he proposes.

[Ryzaki]

Herr Uhl wrote...

If you only play a female PC, you wouldn't know that. Which is what he proposes.

Ah. She doesn't flirt at all with Zevran and Alistair right? 

[Herr Uhl]

Ryzaki wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

If you only play a female PC, you wouldn't know that. Which is what he proposes.

Ah. She doesn't flirt at all with Zevran and Alistair right? 

You can see those as being the same as Sten actually being ready to have sex with Morrigan. At least when it comes to the Zevran bits.

When does she flirt with Alistair btw?

[Ryzaki]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

If you only play a female PC, you wouldn't know that. Which is what he proposes.

Ah. She doesn't flirt at all with Zevran and Alistair right? 

You can see those as being the same as Sten actually being ready to have sex with Morrigan. At least when it comes to the Zevran bits.

When does she flirt with Alistair btw?

I was asking you.

The closest thing I've seen is her telling the female PC she considers him handsome. But that's only if the female PC is in a romance with Ali and friends with Leliana.

[Herr Uhl]

Well, I know of a banter with Zevran after Leliana was hardened that goes into that territory. Though, admittedly, that banter was cut.

[Greenishio]

I just want to jump in and say I bought DAO solely because it includes a m/m romance. Whether or not DA2 includes a m/m romance will factor heavily into my decision to buy the game.



And while having a gay LI in game isn't very feasible, it would be nice to have the bi LI treating the player's character differently depending on his/her gender. Apparently Zevran's dialogue is pretty much the same regardless of the warden's gender.

[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Well, I know of a banter with Zevran after Leliana was hardened that goes into that territory. Though, admittedly, that banter was cut.

It was not cut.  there's a bug keeping it out -- the same bug that kept all but a few of her hardened dialogs out.

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Greenishio wrote...
And while having a gay LI in game isn't very feasible, it would be nice to have the bi LI treating the player's character differently depending on his/her gender. Apparently Zevran's dialogue is pretty much the same regardless of the warden's gender.

While Zevran's dialog is very similar for both genders, the differences are such that the romance has a very different feel to it depending on which gender he's romancing.  I am actually impressed by those differences -- it's very subtle, but it makes all the difference.  The writers did an amazing job with that.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 novembre 2010 - 01:32 .

[dgcatanisiri]

Going off of the above about differences between the genders, I'd be interested in having Hawke be the first man a bi option has been really attracted to. Although in real life I'm reluctant to be the 'only guy they've felt this for,' it might be interesting to see it. There wasn't a lot of questioning with Sky in Jade Empire, as he internalized most of it, and I'd be interested in seeing the push and pull of the attraction.

[Semyaza82]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

Going off of the above about differences between the genders, I'd be interested in having Hawke be the first man a bi option has been really attracted to. Although in real life I'm reluctant to be the 'only guy they've felt this for,' it might be interesting to see it. There wasn't a lot of questioning with Sky in Jade Empire, as he internalized most of it, and I'd be interested in seeing the push and pull of the attraction.

It makes me very happy whenever someone mentions Sky.....*sigh* ..... Mmm.... Sky....

Wait... what was i saying?

[Midey77]

Only three month left! We have to get s/s romances again.

[gaymerboy]

I think I personally can't wait to hear my character express his interest in another guy if there is a gay romance option (and I hope there is). In Mass Effect the inflections my female Shepherd used with Kaiden made it all the more real. They were a bit flirty. Another thing to look at is how accepted homosexuality was in DAO. I mean when you are a human noble and you sweet Dairen and talk to your brother he says something like "You little n, well I hope he is deserving of you or else I am going to have to have a talk with the man." I thought that was such a nice touch and it meant a lot. So I think even if there is a "gay" npp I don't think it would be that bog of an issue since in the world of Dragon Age homosexuality seems perfectly accepted amongst the noble masses.

[dgcatanisiri]

I realize some of it had to do with the last second cutting of the romance, but I felt there were still some undertones in male Shepard's dialogue with Kaidan as well. That's one of the things that I really like about having a fully voiced character, that it's not just us pretending that there are these things included in our lines, we actually hear them.

But in considering it, I REALLY want to have a relationship with a male character where you have to draw out the other character, put some effort into getting him to really accept that he has feelings for you. Something about the challenge appeals to me, that while it would be easy to convince Character A to fall for you, you take the longer and more difficult path to get Character B to fall for you, and that in the end their relationship is stronger for it.

[Ninjatroll]

ok go wrote...

my personal opinion (being straight, so dont take my opinion seriously) it would be nice to see a s/s romance for people who like that thing, but dont denounce bisexuality like it doesnt exist.

think about it this way, straights might be upset at the bi option being into the same sex, as gays might be upset they are into the opposite sex.

Yes, actualy very true. One aspect of this is what is sometimes called biphobia (hate the word personaly since the reasoning is very different than regular homophobia, and you can atleast understand how they think). I have personaly experience of a few gay men and straight women that was slightly uncomfortable in having serious relationships with bi men. It was never anything against the sexuality per se, and casual relationships where never a problem, but when it comes to something serious and monogamus it comes down to some variation of the fear that they can't compete with what the other sex has to offer or that bisexuals have a need for both male and female companionship. And i cant say that the fear is entirely wrong since the stereotype does exist. Yes Zev is a horrible stereotype of a bisexual male

It could make for some interesting dynamics in the relationship dialouge if they incorporate some of this. Even thou the NPC is bi, the player can still roleplay a gay character and giving options like the above mentioned fears that not being enough for Fenris, (yes i will assume and hope he is the bi male and far from Zev in personality...) or misstrusting his flirting as a fling and nothing serious.

Modifié par Ninjatroll, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:03 .

[dgcatanisiri]

I'm still hoping for a human gay/bi option, though I wouldn't say no to having two bi possibilities (or one bi and one gay party member), with Fenris being one of them, personally. I don't know, something about the idea of my male characters only being able to romance male elves leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

But you do bring up the reasons why I didn't like Zevran at the beginning - between his promiscuity and his accent, I really didn't like him at first (yeah, the whole Latin Lover thing doesn't do much for me - the guy who talks himself up about how he gets what he wants and he wants me makes me want to punch him far more than kiss him). I did warm to him as a character over time, but if Alistair had been an option, I wouldn't have given Zev a glance. Yes, with effort, he's an interesting character, but my first instinct is NOT to expend the effort it takes to dig into that because the outer layer is such a turn off.

I want someone who you can clearly start out as friends with and then let things turn to a more romantic slant over time. Given the decade time frame of the game, that could easily happen. You form a friendship and then over conversations, some flirtatious dialogue options come up, letting you feel each other out, make sure you're on the same track before taking that step.

Modifié par dgcatanisiri, 18 décembre 2010 - 08:50 .

[Firky]

I think that the bi thing worked OK in Origins, but it was all too neat; two "straight", one "gay" option for each gender PC. Understandably neat, from a design perspective, but I don't see why future DAs couldn't have an authentically gay character.

Especially for m/m. But what if Fenris were gay? Why can't the female PC have "heart" dialogue anyway? You might be totally confused as to why he isn't into it, but on your next playthrough as a male PC, it all makes sense.

Excuse my gender steretyping but I think a large percentage of women would be cool with that. (Accidentally trying to crack onto gay guys was something I did twice at uni - not that I'm really trying to stereotype but I was studying Performing Arts. It was a little embarrassing but I never thought less of THEM. They're still nice, hot guys.) Personally, I think it would be a triumph of character to have someone authentically gay in the game.

Modifié par Firky, 18 décembre 2010 - 10:01 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

One of the devs admitted (forgot which one) that the demand for an exclusive same-sex LI flat out wasn't great enough and just they doubled up on the characters as bi options.

If they do put in female and not male options like Mass Effect I'd be disappointed but not surprise. The male/male thread is like half as long as the female/female and is filled with conflicting opinions. Nobody has said in the f/f thread that they don't want f/f romances. Bioware knows their core audience (straight males) and girls kissing won't invoke the type of bad reaction guys kissing would. It's the sad truth, but Bioware isn't stupid.

Edit: IMO I hope they don't give the m/m option to Fenris.  I'd rather not have another tattooed city-elf type again.  Maybe a human, like a knight or a ranger or something.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 20 décembre 2010 - 01:34 .

[Maria Caliban]

According to the RPG French interview with Mike, Dragon Age 2 will feature romances "for all genders and orientations." 

Here's the thread with the translated interview.

Q: Concerning the romances and love interest, are all the followers subject to this if I take in account the two genders of Hawke?

A: Not every follower is interested romantically in Hawke, though there are options for players of all genders and orientations.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 décembre 2010 - 04:04 .

[HolyJellyfish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

According to the RPG French interview with Mike, Dragon Age 2 will feature romances "for all genders and orientations." 

Here's the thread with the translated interview.

Q: Concerning the romances and love interest, are all the followers subject to this if I take in account the two genders of Hawke?

A: Not every follower is interested romantically in Hawke, though there are options for players of all genders and orientations.

Oh my god. This is one of the best pieces of news I have heard since the game was first announced.

Praise all that is holy and mighty!

Thank you Maria   : D  

[ErichHartmann]

Question is Fenris or Varric?

[Maria Caliban]

Glad I could help.


You should *probably* thank the writers though.

[LiquidGrape]

Q: Concerning the romances and love interest, are all the followers subject to this if I take in account the two genders of Hawke?

A: Not every follower is interested romantically in Hawke, though there are options for players of all genders and orientations.