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[Saibh]

Hopefully not Fenris, as I've said many a time. I'd rather a human, honestly. I still don't think Varric is a LI.

[Ryzaki]

I don't mind Fenris though I really wanted a Human Warrior/Qunari Male.



...And the latter definitely isn't happening.

[slimgrin]

I'm surprised you ladies don't like Fenris. He's a handsome chap.

[Erani]

I did all 4 romances in DAO, and to me all the love stories were done beautifully and tastefully by Bioware. I would like to have at least one gay-only LI in DA2 or other future DA game, since there were straight-only LIs in DAO. It would make the rp experience more enjoyable and realistic.

[Tietj]

Jademoon121 wrote...

So any ideas anyone? We've only got two options, his streetwise and beardness Varric or mysterious lyrium-cursed Fenris.
Bets? Guesses? Ideas what should've been?

Two options SO FAR.  I would prefer Fenris over Varric but I'm still holding out for a male human.  If it's Fenris, it would be interesting to see how the whole memory loss thing plays into it.  But I wouldn't be too disappointed if it's Varric because it would be VERY interesting to hear him relate certain things to Cassandra... especially if he decides to "exaggerate" certain parts of the story.

[Jademoon121]

Yeah, I'm just going to repeat myself for the sake of keeping this thread live as say no to Fenris.



Cool guy, but I hate the overused bishonen elf card. So I'm biased to Varric, even though he has to narrate which might be a problem....

[Saibh]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm surprised you ladies don't like Fenris. He's a handsome chap.

I'm 'meh' on him. I've never found any of the BioWare romances visually attractive, and I base my preference on their personality. Having never played DAII...

In any case, I just would rather not see another bisexual elf, is all. I won't burst into flame if that's the case, though.

[Tietj]

Saibh wrote...
In any case, I just would rather not see another bisexual elf, is all. I won't burst into flame if that's the case, though.

I agree with every part of this statement.

[Dave of Canada]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

I'm curious about this "exaggerate" thing? Does the game start off with Varric telling the story or something and we play through it?

"Hawke stood infront of a darkspawn army and singlehandedly took them all out!"

You now go ingame and fight a thousand and two darkspawn solo, one-shotting them all with high level abilities that you aren't supposed to have access to yet. Cassandra interrupts, says that makes no sense and Varric retells it and the game returns to normal gameplay.

[Jademoon121]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

I'm curious about this "exaggerate" thing? Does the game start off with Varric telling the story or something and we play through it?

Something like that. As far as Bioware has released he'll narrate throughout, so I guess that our options will affect the story so maybe he'll exaggerate if you do things that he likes or maybe if you even romance him. It's still up in the air I think.

[Tietj]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

That........sounds like TW2 trailer lol. Still cool though.

Bizarre, though.  But full of intriguing possibilities if he's exaggerating about his lover...

[Erani]

Tietj wrote...

Saibh wrote...
In any case, I just would rather not see another bisexual elf, is all. I won't burst into flame if that's the case, though.

I agree with every part of this statement.

I agree as well. Another bishōnen bi elf would be too much. 

[Jademoon121]

Tietj wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

That........sounds like TW2 trailer lol. Still cool though.

Bizarre, though.  But full of intriguing possibilities if he's exaggerating about his lover...

<_<....A part of me wants to investigate into that but another part of me is giving me the red light on that one..<_<
I'm kinda interested in Cassandra's reaction though 

[Ryzaki]

@Jademoon121



It would be worth it for Cassandra's reaction. XD

[SleepyPerson]

Fenris or Varric would be interresting but I get the feeling he'll be human for a bit of a stereotypical reason. Zevran can either be a "bottom" or a "top" depending your race, but since Hawke is human it would be easier to make a "versatile" human because they'll be the same height...and i'm stereotyping a bit so I'm going to stop now xD

[Tietj]

Erani wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Saibh wrote...
In any case, I just would rather not see another bisexual elf, is all. I won't burst into flame if that's the case, though.

I agree with every part of this statement.

I agree as well. Another bishōnen bi elf would be too much. 

The only saving grace would be that Fenris is (I believe) a warrior, and thus possibly much tougher than his rather effete appearance would indicate.  And his backstory is interesting, too, which could open up all sorts of possibilities.  I wouldn't be disappointed if it's Fenris, but I would prefer a human.

[Jademoon121]

Tietj wrote...

Erani wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Saibh wrote...
In any case, I just would rather not see another bisexual elf, is all. I won't burst into flame if that's the case, though.

I agree with every part of this statement.

I agree as well. Another bishōnen bi elf would be too much. 

The only saving grace would be that Fenris is (I believe) a warrior, and thus possibly much tougher than his rather effete appearance would indicate.  And his backstory is interesting, too, which could open up all sorts of possibilities.  I wouldn't be disappointed if it's Fenris, but I would prefer a human.

The Lyrium tattoos on him prevent him from physical contact and they give him constant pain....do you think that might show up in the probable romance? How he has too bear the curse and deal with the pain?
Bishoneness aside, there's some great material on this guy. (he is a warrior btw)

Modifié par Jademoon121, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:13 .

[Eromenos]

I'm no longer certain what our confusion was about Hespit, but I'm glad we agree she was Branka's lover.

Saibh wrote...

It is in Darkspawn Chronicles, and the events of it are definitely non-canon. Alistair shacking up with Leliana is hardly flattering, either. Howe getting away with murdering the Couslands isn't too fun. The Desire Demon thing was added to make people laugh at the silliness and to add some variables to the darkspawn horde.

Well, ****. So that means the Desire Demon aspect was separate from the DLC which established those two as a couple? If that's the case then I'm glad to have been wrong about them to an extent. If DA2 can manage doing something like this without relegating it to DLC I may actually have more nice things to say. But if this means that even at least in "Awakening" Herren and Wade are a workable couple, that's not nothing. That's really good. But it doesn't mean one sample alone excuses BioWare from trying to do better. I should hope that they don't let these two in a DLC stand as the only progress as of late.

One does, one does not. Zevran's relationship with the Warden always ends happily, should the Warden not off himself. Leliana's always does too, if you're female.

I was referring to npc couples we run into, not any of the relationships we may get into ourselves. I'm aiming this train of thought towards people who prefer not to experience any S/S either with squadmates or among the npc-life in Ferelden. But since you mentioned it, what do you mean regarding guaranteed happiness with Leiliana if we're female? I haven't played female and I've never romanced her.

One of the M/F examples you cling to have the capability of ending well for the participants. By no means is happiness guaranteed...and because I'm referring to the Redcliffe couple, their dysfunctional hog-heaven is subjective. But unlike the S/S examples Eamon/Isolde is allowed a chance to carry out that sense of hope. Not so for any of the canon S/S relationships. Cailan/Anora? They loved each other as far as I could tell when I spoke with Anora. You and I disagree about Anora's personality.

So you're subjective opinion on Eamon and Isolde's relationship (and Cailan and Anora) alters how BioWare treats s/s versus het, but mine has no value?

? You're saying that Eamon/Isolde are doomed to misery? If you're saying that they're doomed either because one of them may die or because they're both miserable douches then yes, I agree. But BioWare treats their potential reunion as somehow...touching. My point is they are not absolutely doomed in the sense that Branka/Hespit were. These two are afforded a chance to...whatever...in life, with or without their spawn. Their fates hinge upon the PC's choices but the chance is still given to Eamon and Isolde.

As for Anora/Cailan, I'm not sure where you got the sense that their marriage was completely loveless. The most I got in that direction was that Anora knew all his faults and chose to hold the line herself, and they were happy together in that arrangement. I honestly do not know where it says that their relationship was mostly political.

Why are they doing it then? As I said. Neither helped nor hindered, straight from the horses mouth.

To make themselves look good. Token queer characters for people who hunger for them and who are satisfied with any offerings as if they're prizes to be savored. Please. These characters were not written in spite of homophobia, with the possible exception of Herren/Wade. If examples like those two could be canon inside an actual retail game, they would be the first characters who aren't saddled with homophobic assurances.

Zevran and Leiliana. Yes, both of them to me are homophobic afterthoughts. Someone mentioned not long ago the irritation that comes when romancing Zevran as a male only to encounter time and again his wishfulness for past women exclusively. In Leiliana's case, I suspect she muses sadly over Marjorlaine's betrayal. Such backstories are not written for our sakes. They're present as illogical apologies to curious straight gamers who may not want to feel alienated by someone who can enjoy same-sex partners while being secure in his or her sexuality.

One might argue that all 4 of the LIs have baggage when it comes to romance or lack thereof, yet why are these two presented in such ways that (can, and do, in my case)offend the queer gamers who romance them?

Also importantly, why are only Zevran and Leiliana approachable and not Alistair and Morrigan too? It's because the latter two are the leading male and female, and one is even the poster for DAO. Un-possible for  important people who greatly affect the storyline in any popular fiction, to wield power and responsibility to ever achieve happy same-sex relations.

[Isaidlunch]

Personally I hope that if Bioware chose to not make Fenris the M/M LI that they did so for any other reason other than "because he's an elf". I can understand why people would want to avoid another bisexual rogue since their personalities are usually similar and it would feel repetitive but I see no reason to avoid a gay elf other than because it's a trope. Not trying to offend anyone, I just can't see any other reason.

[Ninja Mage]

Fenris doesn't look Bishonen to me for some reason, he has the hair, but everything else is hero type

[Eromenos]

Tietj wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

TricksterPuppet wrote...

Eromenos wrote...
*snip*

She's not trying to be offensive, she's actually the one who made this thread.

Actually, I get her kind of hostility a lot over in the ME forum. It's understandable. I don't give BioWare any benefit of the doubt. Playing nice, apologizing for queer presence, such attitudes garner the exclusions and or exploitations we see often in their games. Sure, speaking with unmasked criticism also isn't a guarantee for any positive change. This is just me, I see no point to lending credit where none is due.

You probably get hostility because you're a little reactionary, almost militant.  If this is how you react to developers trying to throw us a bone then why should they bother?

I'll be the first to call myself militant on this issue, and not just in video games.

No, I'm definitely not happy with crumbs. You can have them all.