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[Lyssistr]

Saibh wrote...

realyoungjeezy wrote...

what about to lesbians fighting over you.

See the title--male/male for this discussion, thank you. You may create a female/female, if you so wish. It will get closed quickly if it can't be kept mature, though, as a fair warning.

since you like moderating, make one female-female as well .

Oh, and that boobs thread that was unjustly locked 

[Rapidiul]

Lyssistr wrote...
Oh, and that boobs thread that was unjustly locked 

What did I miss?

[Lyssistr]

Rapidiul wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Saibh wrote...

To all of the above concerning Morrigan and Leliana, please, unless it has to do with wanting a romance or character like theirs, keep it out of this discussion, okay? 

We were discussing character & style traits 

Yes, but about the particular characters themselves and your opinion of their character against the other's. If you can relate it to what you'd like to see for an M/M romance, alright, but I saw derailment.

I think I'd prefer a Morrigan over a Leliana. Maybe because Leliana is a bit too girly--she'd be rather fabulous as a gay guy.

Well you don't know that really, not that I disagree Morrigan > Leliana. Also, imo Morrigan is much more girly, she has a true feminine attitude and plays cat & mice. Leliana's just too straightforward and that detracts from her sex appeal.

Men just like Morrigan because of her robes.

I'd say depends on age

[Lyssistr]

Rapidiul wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
Oh, and that boobs thread that was unjustly locked 

What did I miss?

Best thread ever 

[realyoungjeezy]

Lyssistr wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Saibh wrote...

To all of the above concerning Morrigan and Leliana, please, unless it has to do with wanting a romance or character like theirs, keep it out of this discussion, okay? 

We were discussing character & style traits 

Yes, but about the particular characters themselves and your opinion of their character against the other's. If you can relate it to what you'd like to see for an M/M romance, alright, but I saw derailment.

I think I'd prefer a Morrigan over a Leliana. Maybe because Leliana is a bit too girly--she'd be rather fabulous as a gay guy.

Well you don't know that really, not that I disagree Morrigan > Leliana. Also, imo Morrigan is much more girly, she has a true feminine attitude and plays cat & mice. Leliana's just too straightforward and that detracts from her sex appeal.

Well Marjolaine says Leliana looks like a boy and Morrigan makes a comment about her being skinny and looking like a boy.  So, in ways Morrigan could be more girly.

[Rapidiul]

Lyssistr wrote...

Rapidiul wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
Oh, and that boobs thread that was unjustly locked 

What did I miss?

Best thread ever 

Off Topic: What was it about?

[Lyssistr]

MariSkep wrote...

Because you're not a mark. Morrigan sees you as a mark and as we see doesn't have the stomach to keep herself from getting to attached. /derailment

But that's my point, things with Morrigan are more interesting because she's less straightforward.

[Saibh]

Lyssistr wrote...

since you like moderating, make one female-female as well .

I hate moderating, and feel only pity for the poor souls stuck with the job. I do, however, feel bad for the gay guys who wish this thread didn't keep getting locked, and am thus making an effort to keep it open by active patrols.

Again, please, guys, Leliana and Morrigan don't have inherently anything to do with this discussion...if you can reroute it back on topic, go right ahead.

[Ulathar]

Okay, I've only read the first post and not the whole discussion(?)....



IMO, I wouldn't mind this being in DA2. I wouldn't persue it myself, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are many players who would and since romances are totally optional, I say why not?

[realyoungjeezy]

Rapidiul wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Rapidiul wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
Oh, and that boobs thread that was unjustly locked 

What did I miss?

Best thread ever 

Off Topic: What was it about?

boobs

[Saibh]

MariSkep wrote...

Maybe I'm just found of tried old cliches but I've always liked the gay guy you had no idea was gay. Like you're playing and playing and suddenly you go find your party member and he's in bed with a guy. You can act shocked, stunned whatever but he just yawns, gets up, puts on his shirt and follows you out of the room. Later you ask him about and he's got this smile on his face like he thinks you stumbling over your sentences is cute. Hilarious antics ensue.

You mean Straight Gay?

[shootist70]

I'll repost this here from the last locked thread, because sadly the idea got swamped under a lot of ill-informed trolling.

Given Dragon Age's setting there's a great s/s character model to use that moves away from lousy stereotypes. I mentioned this briefly on the s/s romance thread on the ME forums, but it's worth repeating here, and it's basically the concept of the 'shield brother.'

The ancient Greeks had a fierce warrior culture that didn't shy away from homosexuality. Their Homeric equivalent of the bible was all about warrior heroes, not gentle prophets. They worshipped the perfect warrior form so much that it became a part of their sexuality. It reached its peak with the elite Theban Sacred Band, who were an unbeatable hoplite phalanx comprised purely of 150 pairs of gay lovers. These guys swore oaths to defend their lover to the death, over the tomb of Iolaos (who was the mythical gay lover of Hercules). And it worked, they beat the Spartans every time they went up against them, and were only finally defeated after a cavalry charge led by history's most famous bisexual warrior, Alexander the Great.

Personally I think that sort of shield-brother/warrior character would be a great s/s romance option, and one that's rooted deeply in western historical culture. It goes way beyond just sex and into a deep bond between two warrior-lovers. That sort of bond was something that Greek and Hellenic culture saw as very normal, even healthy. Sure, it hasn't tended to be looked on well by stuffy historians from a conservative background, but more modern historians are seeing it with fresh insight, so it's a great model to use.

[eucatastrophe]

Saibh wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Maybe I'm just found of tried old cliches but I've always liked the gay guy you had no idea was gay. Like you're playing and playing and suddenly you go find your party member and he's in bed with a guy. You can act shocked, stunned whatever but he just yawns, gets up, puts on his shirt and follows you out of the room. Later you ask him about and he's got this smile on his face like he thinks you stumbling over your sentences is cute. Hilarious antics ensue.

You mean Straight Gay?

I am straight-gayish and apparently it's why I can't find a date

[Semyaza82]

shootist70 wrote...

I'll repost this here from the last locked thread, because sadly the idea got swamped under a lot of ill-informed trolling.

Given Dragon Age's setting there's a great s/s character model to use that moves away from lousy stereotypes. I mentioned this briefly on the s/s romance thread on the ME forums, but it's worth repeating here, and it's basically the concept of the 'shield brother.'

The ancient Greeks had a fierce warrior culture that didn't shy away from homosexuality. Their Homeric equivalent of the bible was all about warrior heroes, not gentle prophets. They worshipped the perfect warrior form so much that it became a part of their sexuality. It reached its peak with the elite Theban Sacred Band, who were an unbeatable hoplite phalanx comprised purely of 150 pairs of gay lovers. These guys swore oaths to defend their lover to the death, over the tomb of Iolaos (who was the mythical gay lover of Hercules). And it worked, they beat the Spartans every time they went up against them, and were only finally defeated after a cavalry charge led by history's most famous bisexual warrior, Alexander the Great.

Personally I think that sort of shield-brother/warrior character would be a great s/s romance option, and one that's rooted deeply in western historical culture. It goes way beyond just sex and into a deep bond between two warrior-lovers. That sort of bond was something that Greek and Hellenic culture saw as very normal, even healthy. Sure, it hasn't tended to be looked on well by stuffy historians from a conservative background, but more modern historians are seeing it with fresh insight, so it's a great model to use.

First off sorry for the wall of text
   In some ways i think they have taken up the idea of a society that doesn't see who you sleep with or romance as as issue. A good example was in the human noble origin when you can tell your brother about having someone waiting for you in your bed, and if they are same gender he show the same concern as if they are the opposite.

   That said i do get that simply having a society that seems accepting of peoples sexuality isn't quite the same as various Greek models you were talking about. Personally, i really like the idea of a 'shield brother' type character but i think having a group/order/army were this was the norm might be pushing it bit too much from a marketing side. I not saying thats right at all, but even from the forums here it obvious some people have a big issue any s/s couples appearing - let alone an army of them Hell, just think about the movie Alexander and how much fuss was made over the fact they showed the historical realility that he liked men as well as women, and that it wasn't a problem in his culture *shock horror*! (On a serious note people should have just been bothered by it being a bad movie movie about a fascinating figure).

   But one hot shield brother - that idea i like a lot

p.s. I'm not really sure what i typed makes sense - too little sleep, too much coffee

[Semyaza82]

eucatastrophe wrote...

Saibh wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Maybe I'm just found of tried old cliches but I've always liked the gay guy you had no idea was gay. Like you're playing and playing and suddenly you go find your party member and he's in bed with a guy. You can act shocked, stunned whatever but he just yawns, gets up, puts on his shirt and follows you out of the room. Later you ask him about and he's got this smile on his face like he thinks you stumbling over your sentences is cute. Hilarious antics ensue.

You mean Straight Gay?

I am straight-gayish and apparently it's why I can't find a date

Have you tried assassinating men you like, and then if you fail, talking to them about leather?

[shootist70]

Semyaza82 wrote...

First off sorry for the wall of text
   In some ways i think they have taken up the idea of a society that doesn't see who you sleep with or romance as as issue. A good example was in the human noble origin when you can tell your brother about having someone waiting for you in your bed, and if they are same gender he show the same concern as if they are the opposite.

   That said i do get that simply having a society that seems accepting of peoples sexuality isn't quite the same as various Greek models you were talking about. Personally, i really like the idea of a 'shield brother' type character but i think having a group/order/army were this was the norm might be pushing it bit too much from a marketing side. I not saying thats right at all, but even from the forums here it obvious some people have a big issue any s/s couples appearing - let alone an army of them Hell, just think about the movie Alexander and how much fuss was made over the fact they showed the historical realility that he liked men as well as women, and that it wasn't a problem in his culture *shock horror*! (On a serious note people should have just been bothered by it being a bad movie movie about a fascinating figure).

   But one hot shield brother - that idea i like a lot

p.s. I'm not really sure what i typed makes sense - too little sleep, too much coffee

It makes perfect sense. I guess we don't need to portray an entire army or society in this way. Just having one character who holds those ideas/bonds/vows close to their heart  would do the trick. I like it because it associating m/m romance with a sophisticated warrior masculinity completely kills the sort of stereotypical campness that seems to get up a lot of folks noses (and Zevran was fairly camp).

Modifié par shootist70, 30 août 2010 - 10:20 .

[B3taMaxxx]

Poligamy anyone?

[Semyaza82]

[/quote]

It makes perfect sense. I guess we don't need to portray an entire army or society in this way. Just having one character who holds those ideas/bonds/vows close to their heart  would do the trick. I like it because it associating m/m romance with a sophisticated warrior masculinity completely kills the sort of stereotypical campness that seems to get up a lot of folks noses (and Zevran was fairly camp).[/quote]

Glad coffee didn't turn it into an confusing ramble

Personally i liked Zev, but your right - alot of people didn't. Also, they have had kind of camp, 'i'll sleep with anyone' character so a different type of option for m/m would be nice. Which, btw i think is a pretty likely option - Zev wasn't much like Sky from JAde Empire for example (mmmm, Sky...)

[eucatastrophe]

Semyaza82 wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Saibh wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Maybe I'm just found of tried old cliches but I've always liked the gay guy you had no idea was gay. Like you're playing and playing and suddenly you go find your party member and he's in bed with a guy. You can act shocked, stunned whatever but he just yawns, gets up, puts on his shirt and follows you out of the room. Later you ask him about and he's got this smile on his face like he thinks you stumbling over your sentences is cute. Hilarious antics ensue.

You mean Straight Gay?

I am straight-gayish and apparently it's why I can't find a date

Have you tried assassinating men you like, and then if you fail, talking to them about leather?

Can't say I have.
But Zev and you have inspired me! I'll have something to do in between class this semester I guess

[Russalka]

What caused the last thread to get locked, again?



Last thing I recall of my posts, I asked about if anyone had thoughts about a romance (bi/homosexual) of the bad boy kind, aka Bishop from NWN2.

I think it could fit for a more manlier romance aswell, I can't imagine a rather "feminine" villanous romance companion.

[Chris Readman]

Russalka wrote...

What caused the last thread to get locked, again?

Last thing I recall of my posts, I asked about if anyone had thoughts about a romance (bi/homosexual) of the bad boy kind, aka Bishop from NWN2.
I think it could fit for a more manlier romance aswell, I can't imagine a rather "feminine" villanous romance companion.

Oh, mainly people from one camp calling the people from the other bigots. Although to be fair, some of them were (some, not all).

And I do like the idea of a Bishop-like character, he is indeed quite charming in his own way, but maybe a little less evil. Such a character will probably make me too worried that he might slit my throat or abandon me in my time of need.

[Russalka]

A broken character, something that Zevran was, would probably end up a cliché again.



I wonder if there is a not-so-evil bad boy character type that wasn't in an emotional breakdown.