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[Ziggeh]

Cobrawar wrote...

 its proably the expensive voice acting, but thats just a guess on my part

It's probably a different project with entirely different requirements, but thats just a guess on my part.

[Bryy_Miller]

magicwins wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
I said I am wondering why DA2 seems to have less ressources than DA:O.

Because taking 5 years to make a game is a luxury few can reasonably afford.

Did DAO not do well, critically and commercially? If resources are a constraint in this context, can you not plead, 'With time comes awesomeness'?

I'm sure they can. I'm sure they do. But that does not mean that they will get a bigger budget or a new schedule.

[Cobrawar]

I blame EA

[AlexXIV]

Ziggeh wrote...

Cobrawar wrote...

 its proably the expensive voice acting, but thats just a guess on my part

It's probably a different project with entirely different requirements, but thats just a guess on my part.

Well for once I think voice acting is a must nowadays. You can't make a game now that is 'silent' as in the old days.

Also I think every project is calculated individually. Would seem rather stupid to risk one (possible) fail investment ruin all other projects as well. I assume you were hinting SWTOR. SWTOR has a 100 million budget I read somewhere and that's probably because of Lucas Arts rather than because of Bioware cutting from budgets of other successful projects (DA and ME).

Modifié par AlexXIV, 03 janvier 2011 - 11:45 .

[David Gaider]

magicwins wrote...
Did DAO not do well, critically and commercially? If resources are a constraint in this context, can you not plead, 'With time comes awesomeness'?

I don't think that's really on topic for this thread. Suffice it to say that if it were up to the developers we would have all the time in the world-- and the game would likely grow in direct relation to the time allotted, like a goldfish. Someone, somewhere, has to be the party pooper.

[pallascedar]

YoziMaiden wrote...

pallascedar wrote...

I'll actually make a post addressing the topic of the thread! I know the whole thread is about who we want to be the romancee, but really, I'm happy being surprised. From BG and DA:O, I liked Aerie, Jaheira, Alistair, Leliana, Zevran and Morrigan. About the only thing I really want from any romance, be they M/M, F/F, or M/F, is that they be well written, fun, and different (and I've full confident they will be)...and probably not a dwarf because I'm racist (except female dwarves, they're cute)
Though the M/M romance should be the best, because catering to me is all that matters.

Yea,  I noticed that about Dwarven women too....  they did tend to have rather nice curves.

I have no idea why I think this, but female Dwarves are pretty much the best. Which is a shame because male Dwarves just don't have it in the same way.

[Ziggeh]

I don't think we should take the devs word for it. I think we should insist they include us in every step of the process. I want financial records, I want to see the business plan, I want minutes from board meetings dammit.

[pallascedar]

David Gaider wrote...

magicwins wrote...
Did DAO not do well, critically and commercially? If resources are a constraint in this context, can you not plead, 'With time comes awesomeness'?

I don't think that's really on topic for this thread. Suffice it to say that if it were up to the developers we would have all the time in the world-- and the game would likely grow in direct relation to the time allotted, like a goldfish. Someone, somewhere, has to be the party pooper.

I can't believe you're being realistic. This is so unfair.

[AlexXIV]

David Gaider wrote...

magicwins wrote...
Did DAO not do well, critically and commercially? If resources are a constraint in this context, can you not plead, 'With time comes awesomeness'?

I don't think that's really on topic for this thread. Suffice it to say that if it were up to the developers we would have all the time in the world-- and the game would likely grow in direct relation to the time allotted, like a goldfish. Someone, somewhere, has to be the party pooper.

Yeah that's what I meant by 'I don't blame the devs'. There is little point to discuss that with devs when it is not them to distribute ressources. Devs have to work with what they get.

[magicwins]

David Gaider wrote...

magicwins wrote...
Did DAO not do well, critically and commercially? If resources are a constraint in this context, can you not plead, 'With time comes awesomeness'?

I don't think that's really on topic for this thread. Suffice it to say that if it were up to the developers we would have all the time in the world-- and the game would likely grow in direct relation to the time allotted, like a goldfish. Someone, somewhere, has to be the party pooper.

Well, I guess we all do the best we can with what we have. It seems rather unfair that we're all judged at the same platform eventually, but that's life for you.

[Bryy_Miller]

AlexXIV wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

magicwins wrote...
Did DAO not do well, critically and commercially? If resources are a constraint in this context, can you not plead, 'With time comes awesomeness'?

I don't think that's really on topic for this thread. Suffice it to say that if it were up to the developers we would have all the time in the world-- and the game would likely grow in direct relation to the time allotted, like a goldfish. Someone, somewhere, has to be the party pooper.

Yeah that's what I meant by 'I don't blame the devs'. There is little point to discuss that with devs when it is not them to distribute ressources. Devs have to work with what they get.

So we are back to blaming BioWare/EA for not giving them the budget you think they should have, even though you don't know what DA2's budget is. 

So, I'm looking forward to having a same sex romance in DA2. Honestly, before Origins, and I've said this in the forums, I had no interest in pursuing a same sex romance in a video game. None. I'd pursue a romance with a male if I were playing female, but that was it. Then Zevran came along, and.... intrigued me. He was such a fun character that it didn't matter to me.

[kalassy]

-Holds up the peace keeper side-

Ok guys, we don't know exactly just how much is included in DA2, so let's not jump to conclusions on what should have been included, because it very well could be in there and we could just be raging for nothing.

Slightly off topic, (as if it matters anymore XD) , I did sort of get annoyed with there being 3 choices for straight male shepard, 3 choices for straight female shepard, 3 for lesbian/bi female shepard, andnoneforgayguyssbye... That kind of DID feel like a quota, but I'm not going to complain much about it, because I know DA will do a better job than that. It kind of sucks when you have a totally massively successful game in these ages though, because people instantly want more, and you're under pressure to give them MORE IMMEDIATELY, but you can only do so much within an ~immediate~ range.

Anyway, I guess I'm in the minority here and wouldn't like the m/m romance option(s) to be so omghot guy, and would rather just have a plain Joe kind of guy with a quirky personality and a great sense of humor? I feel like when it comes to gay media, we get a bit too much of the hot mucho muscular guy on guy lust action and not enough of the deep connection action. I'd really hope for their 2 personalities to just be right for each other "zomg dey're both hot, watch dem kiss" type of interactions.

[Thicos]

Please, male/male and female/female.



Not bi.



Why bi if I only want men or women?



then, do it characters for all



male/woman

male/male

female/female

bi/bi

[Ninja Mage]

Casey Hudson literally said,



"This game (Mass Effect) is made like a pg-13 movie. I gues this somehow

explains no m/m content in mass effect?



And then Ray Muzkya said



"Shepard is a predefined character. We are telling a story." So he cannot be gay and Fem Shep can. But everything else you do in the game is full of variable choices. Logic Fail

[Ziggeh]

Ninja Mage wrote...
But everything else you do in the game is full of variable choices. Logic Fail

Predefined ones.

[Ninja Mage]

Well I just hope there is atleast two male/male options in Dragon Age 2..here's hoping (And maybe some random NPCs)

[AlexXIV]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Casey Hudson literally said,

"This game (Mass Effect) is made like a pg-13 movie. I gues this somehow
explains no m/m content in mass effect?

And then Ray Muzkya said

"Shepard is a predefined character. We are telling a story." So he cannot be gay and Fem Shep can. But everything else you do in the game is full of variable choices. Logic Fail

Yeah pretty much. Shep isn't predefined since he/she can either be female or male. So that's not really predefined.

And if there are romances in I don't see why it would be 'unfitting' to have them be gay romances. Then again I am rather open mindend ...

[Ninja Mage]

Ziggeh wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...
But everything else you do in the game is full of variable choices. Logic Fail

Predefined ones.

SO why can Femshep hit on Kelly but Male shep cannot even hit on a random guy on the ship?
That's called pre-defined discrimination to appease straight male gamers.

[AlexXIV]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...
But everything else you do in the game is full of variable choices. Logic Fail

Predefined ones.

SO why can Femshep hit on Kelly but Male shep cannot even hit on a random guy on the ship?
That's called pre-defined discrimination to appease straight male gamers.

FemShep couldn't hit on Tali though.

[Ninja Mage]

Yeah but If I could atleast flirt with Joker or maybe one of the crewman that would have been something

[kalassy]

Thicos wrote...

Please, male/male and female/female.

Not bi.

Why bi if I only want men or women?

then, do it characters for all

male/woman
male/male
female/female
bi/bi

That's actually not a bad idea. 2 for each sounds pretty fair. Still, I wouldn't really like it to feel like it was meeting a quota, which is what it felt like to me in ME.

[Ziggeh]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...
But everything else you do in the game is full of variable choices. Logic Fail

Predefined ones.

SO why can Femshep hit on Kelly but Male shep cannot even hit on a random guy on the ship?
That's called pre-defined discrimination to appease straight male gamers.

I didn't say anything about their reasoning for including said options, just that the argument that all other choices are fully in the hands of the player, and thus the restrictions in romance are contradictory is complete nonsense.

Modifié par Ziggeh, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:21 .

[kalassy]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

A FemShep can romance Kelly, right? Never tried it so I'm not for sure, but I believe I heard they can.

If so....uh....why did they do that.

Femshep could romance Kelly, Samara, and Morinth (only for a short time though, obviously for those who have gotten that far XP). Males could also romance them. Males also got 3 other female choices along with those, and Females got 3 male choices. I can totally see the point of those arguing (and it was also my argument at one time) however, this isn't about ME.

[Ziggeh]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

A FemShep can romance Kelly, right? Never tried it so I'm not for sure, but I believe I heard they can.

Depends on your definition. The common position is that romance is dependant on the physical act, in which case, no, you can't. I consider Samara the best romance in the game though, so, mileage ahoy.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...
If so....uh....why did they do that.

For cynical financial and demographic reasons, one presumes.