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[Arttis]

Zevais wrote...

Arttis wrote...

WHy are the only popular threads these days about boobs?

Because I am an instigator

Bioware really needs to let us have more info.

[Saibh]

AuraofMana wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

I don't understand why all these females are taking the whole big-breasted thing so seriously. You never see guys complain that all the male characters are macho muscular guys with magical, never messy hair... This is a video game... if you feel that females are misrepresented (in a video game... really?) than there are bigger things in your life to worry about.

2 things

1) I **** about it constantly. It's just that whenever I bring it up I get called a ****got and have realized my complaints fall on deaf ears.
2)For a lot of guys games seem to be about fulfilling some kind of fantasy and the avatar is part of that fantasy. Suddenly the player is some hulked out warrior of truth and justice with tons of DD's begging for his Sword of Might. I don't see that kind of behavior in women gamers but I don't know very many women who I'd call gamers.

Really? I've never heard that complaint anywhere. You do make an interesting point.
Personally, I've never had that fantasy. I don't envision myself as the character I play, so I have no problem with this; this is also why I have no problem with playing as female characters. However, this is just me.

Anyway, my point is that certain females take this whole thing way too seriously, and even begins to treat it as some sort of sexism. However, the underlying reason is so the graphic designers only need to really draw one set of body and reuse it over and over again. There is a practical reason underlying it.

And the reason all of these character models can't look more evenly proportion is--say it with me--fanservice. Yay!

Having a reasonable body type was done in Mass Effect and Dragon Age, the company's top-selling games. There's no reason that a body type that pleases all sides can't be achieved again.

[Zevais]

Saibh wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

Good job replying to a logical point without a logical rebuttal. If certain females are really taking the whole representation in video games seriously, then they need to step back and rethink. For the whole male/female equality thing, I've never seen a male complain about anything he is skimped out on and never see a female mention it. Now it has gotten to the point where anything and everything is seen as offensive to feminity.

Then he doesn't care. If he's not willing to mention anything, he doesn't care. Actually, judging by the wild success of games like Gears of War or movies like 300, men prefer for their heroes to be muscular, to appear powerful, and very masculine. Practically, a very fit man makes sense in these settings.

I actually don't prefer my abs to be sprayed on *hides abs spray personal stash*

[ProudNegro]

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Male eye candy?

[Zevais]

ProudNegro wrote...

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Male eye candy?

BRILLIANT!

[DMC12]

AuraofMana wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

I don't understand why all these females are taking the whole big-breasted thing so seriously. You never see guys complain that all the male characters are macho muscular guys with magical, never messy hair... This is a video game... if you feel that females are misrepresented (in a video game... really?) than there are bigger things in your life to worry about.

2 things

1) I **** about it constantly. It's just that whenever I bring it up I get called a ****got and have realized my complaints fall on deaf ears.
2)For a lot of guys games seem to be about fulfilling some kind of fantasy and the avatar is part of that fantasy. Suddenly the player is some hulked out warrior of truth and justice with tons of DD's begging for his Sword of Might. I don't see that kind of behavior in women gamers but I don't know very many women who I'd call gamers.

Really? I've never heard that complaint anywhere. You do make an interesting point.
Personally, I've never had that fantasy. I don't envision myself as the character I play, so I have no problem with this; this is also why I have no problem with playing as female characters. However, this is just me.

Anyway, my point is that certain females take this whole thing way too seriously, and even begins to treat it as some sort of sexism. However, the underlying reason is so the graphic designers only need to really draw one set of body and reuse it over and over again. There is a practical reason underlying it.

That's probably the best point, from a logical stand point, here. I mean, Bioware isn't exactly known for their myriad equipment designs. There's like 3 different armor sets, 3 swords, and two hats.... at least they're all cool, like Bethany's boobs. CURSE YOUR ROCKIN' ******, BETHANY!

[Arttis]

Men looking like big hulks do get on the bad side of men everywhere also.

[Lyssistr]

ProudNegro wrote...

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Male eye candy?

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[Saibh]

H_Itachi wrote...

even so what you perceive as being normal could be totally different from someone else. Body types vary among different races and plus that link doesnt even show her whole body so whats there to see thats not "normal"?

Standard

Common type

Usual

Regular

Natural

Breasts and a waist that size are not standard, not common, not usual, not regular, and generally not natural. There's no subjectivity to it. The word seems to have some pretty negative connotations for other people, so I promise I won't use it again, but I won't retract it, either.

[Zevais]

DMC12 wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

I don't understand why all these females are taking the whole big-breasted thing so seriously. You never see guys complain that all the male characters are macho muscular guys with magical, never messy hair... This is a video game... if you feel that females are misrepresented (in a video game... really?) than there are bigger things in your life to worry about.

2 things

1) I **** about it constantly. It's just that whenever I bring it up I get called a ****got and have realized my complaints fall on deaf ears.
2)For a lot of guys games seem to be about fulfilling some kind of fantasy and the avatar is part of that fantasy. Suddenly the player is some hulked out warrior of truth and justice with tons of DD's begging for his Sword of Might. I don't see that kind of behavior in women gamers but I don't know very many women who I'd call gamers.

Really? I've never heard that complaint anywhere. You do make an interesting point.
Personally, I've never had that fantasy. I don't envision myself as the character I play, so I have no problem with this; this is also why I have no problem with playing as female characters. However, this is just me.

Anyway, my point is that certain females take this whole thing way too seriously, and even begins to treat it as some sort of sexism. However, the underlying reason is so the graphic designers only need to really draw one set of body and reuse it over and over again. There is a practical reason underlying it.

That's probably the best point, from a logical stand point, here. I mean, Bioware isn't exactly known for their myriad equipment designs. There's like 3 different armor sets, 3 swords, and two hats.... at least they're all cool, like Bethany's boobs. CURSE YOUR ROCKIN' ******, BETHANY!

*Bethany casts Blizzard* Rocking like a hurricane!

[Beocat]

I think we can all agree that whether the avatar is a male or a female, when they become too idealized, it begins to detract from the immersion into the story itself which is the only reason to play a game in the first place. If it doesn't help make the story more believable, they should avoid it if possible.

[Saibh]

slimgrin wrote...

Saibh wrote...


Women have said several times in this thread that more realism in male warriors is not a bad thing. We certainly wouldn't object to it. However, women avatars all looking like Playboy models do get on the bad side of women and stretch the plausibility of a fantasy world ground in reality.

You know, there's just something so...not fun about your philosophy for games.

You didn't think Mass Effect or DAO, both games with fairly average-figured women, were fun? 

[Zevais]

I think when I go to bed in ten minutes that this thread will be three times as epic when I next see it in the morning.

[FataliTensei]

Stanley Woo wrote...

i don't think it should be viewed as some kind of competition of "which gender does BioWare like most?" that's just silly. And proportions are a matter of artistic style. The fantasy genre has long has the well-muscled man and the buxom woman; they are idealized figures.

Woo, BW made the Asari and take every chance they get to sexualize them and expose their breasts as much as possible, even on a 600 year old warrior monk. Really, it's obvious the catering you guys do, but hey, thats you're fanbase. Seriously, don't try to deny it, it's just sad when you do.

Modifié par FataliTensei, 31 août 2010 - 02:55 .

[Maverick827]

Saibh wrote...

The word seems to have some pretty negative connotations for other people, so I promise I won't use it again, but I won't retract it, either.

Yeah, I'd just stray from using the word; when people don't see Normal rhetoric they make assumptions and flip out.

[The Edge]

Saibh wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

even so what you perceive as being normal could be totally different from someone else. Body types vary among different races and plus that link doesnt even show her whole body so whats there to see thats not "normal"?

Standard

Common type

Usual

Regular

Natural

Breasts and a waist that size are not standard, not common, not usual, not regular, and generally not natural. There's no subjectivity to it. The word seems to have some pretty negative connotations for other people, so I promise I won't use it again, but I won't retract it, either.

Well, Hawke is unnatural, considering he will "change the dragon age universe forever", so Bethany's boobage might also indicate that her cleavage will "change the dragon age universe forever"!

P.S.: I'm kidding!

[Zevais]

The Edge wrote...

Saibh wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

even so what you perceive as being normal could be totally different from someone else. Body types vary among different races and plus that link doesnt even show her whole body so whats there to see thats not "normal"?

Standard

Common type

Usual

Regular

Natural

Breasts and a waist that size are not standard, not common, not usual, not regular, and generally not natural. There's no subjectivity to it. The word seems to have some pretty negative connotations for other people, so I promise I won't use it again, but I won't retract it, either.

Well, Hawke is unnatural, considering he will "change the dragon age universe forever", so Bethany's boobage might also indicate that her cleavage will "change the dragon age universe forever"!

P.S.: I'm kidding!

I don't believe you are kidding.

[Saibh]

H_Itachi wrote...

ummm the success of those movies doesnt come from the fact of the men being very masculine. maybe because of good story and great lines and scenes that remain etched into peoples minds. Leonidas yelling this is sparta and kicking the messenger into the pit has practically become legendary because of the fact it was such a powerful scene that people remember. Plus i dont think your in the position to say what men prefer. Something like that is generalized and should be avoided. Some men would be better as just saying men prefer. Its like sayign women prefer men with a sense of humor. Not completely true.

If generalizations weren't allowed, then BioWare could make no decisions regarding preferences. Why are the men, in a movie/game geared towards men, so ridiculously ripped and beefy? Because that's what would appeal to men's taste for a manly movie/game.

I can't account for every individual varying taste out there, but there is a reason why most men represented in video games and movies geared towards men tend to be absolutely muscular and masculine, why the trend continues.

[AuraofMana]

Saibh wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

Good job replying to a logical point without a logical rebuttal. If certain females are really taking the whole representation in video games seriously, then they need to step back and rethink. For the whole male/female equality thing, I've never seen a male complain about anything he is skimped out on and never see a female mention it. Now it has gotten to the point where anything and everything is seen as offensive to feminity.

Then he doesn't care. If he's not willing to mention anything, he doesn't care. Actually, judging by the wild success of games like Gears of War or movies like 300, men prefer for their heroes to be muscular, to appear powerful, and very masculine. Practically, a very fit man makes sense in these settings.

Women have said several times in this thread that more realism in male warriors is not a bad thing. We certainly wouldn't object to it. However, women avatars all looking like Playboy models do get on the bad side of women and stretch the plausibility of a fantasy world ground in reality.

Well I don't think most guys are drawn to the fact that they get to play as muscular guys. I think they are drawn to the massive amount of violence and bloodshed.

A game is a game, and while it has its realistic roots, it's not meant to be follow realism 100%. I still don't understand why anyone would care about representation in a video game that much. I don't exactly envision myself as an emo, flamboyant teenage boy out to save the world in JRPG's, yet I've never taken that as a representation of men as a whole. I fail to see how this is so offensive to women.