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[Zevais]

Saibh wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

ummm the success of those movies doesnt come from the fact of the men being very masculine. maybe because of good story and great lines and scenes that remain etched into peoples minds. Leonidas yelling this is sparta and kicking the messenger into the pit has practically become legendary because of the fact it was such a powerful scene that people remember. Plus i dont think your in the position to say what men prefer. Something like that is generalized and should be avoided. Some men would be better as just saying men prefer. Its like sayign women prefer men with a sense of humor. Not completely true.

If generalizations weren't allowed, then BioWare could make no decisions regarding preferences. Why are the men, in a movie/game geared towards men, so ridiculously ripped and beefy? Because that's what would appeal to men's taste for a manly movie/game.

I can't account for every individual varying taste out there, but there is a reason why most men represented in video games and movies geared towards men tend to be absolutely muscular and masculine, why the trend continues.

I miss Chris Farley! Now there was a man! A true man REALLY knows how to dance...

[Saibh]

H_Itachi wrote...

ok so your saying that waist and breast type are not standard common type usual regular and natural? explain whats the natural and standard type of breasts and waist? i dont being negative towards what your saying im just trying to see what you mean since a lot of what your saying doesnt really make sense.

I'm saying that there's an average (a "common", "regular", "usual") size for women, and that ain't it--at least not for her body type, weight, and size.

[Lord_Valandil]

Zevais wrote...

I think when I go to bed in ten minutes that this thread will be three times as epic when I next see it in the morning.

That if it remains open by tomorrow, of course.

[Zevais]

Madame Lanka wrote...

Male strippers would be welcomed, yes? Yes....

You Madame... WIN!

[Never]

Maybe Bethany just had a kid and she's breastfeeding. That would explain it all.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Nay! And the topic's creator is sentenced to serve as a male stripper for the rest of eternity as punishment for the idea.

[Lyssistr]

Madame Lanka wrote...

Male strippers would be welcomed, yes? Yes....

Can't you ...see the future anyhow ?

[Zevais]

mynameisdanza wrote...

Maybe Bethany just had a kid and she's breastfeeding. That would explain it all.

Milk... does a body good!

[Saibh]

AuraofMana wrote...

Well I don't think most guys are drawn to the fact that they get to play as muscular guys. I think they are drawn to the massive amount of violence and bloodshed.

A game is a game, and while it has its realistic roots, it's not meant to be follow realism 100%. I still don't understand why anyone would care about representation in a video game that much. I don't exactly envision myself as an emo, flamboyant teenage boy out to save the world in JRPG's, yet I've never taken that as a representation of men as a whole. I fail to see how this is so offensive to women.

If you don't understand, I don't think I could explain it to you. It's not something you care about, so I don't think you have the empathy to understand at all. I don't mean that as an insult, but you don't seem to get that women want to play an avatar they think looks cool; that looks tough and heroic. Not necessarily masculine or non-feminine, but able to hold her own. For most of us, we see breasts that big and think "ouch, back problems; I bet she has trouble running", as well as rolling our eyes that our character models have been idealized to match your (well, men's) fantasies.

[mosaiclobster]

AuraofMana wrote...

Saibh wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

Good job replying to a logical point without a logical rebuttal. If certain females are really taking the whole representation in video games seriously, then they need to step back and rethink. For the whole male/female equality thing, I've never seen a male complain about anything he is skimped out on and never see a female mention it. Now it has gotten to the point where anything and everything is seen as offensive to feminity.

Then he doesn't care. If he's not willing to mention anything, he doesn't care. Actually, judging by the wild success of games like Gears of War or movies like 300, men prefer for their heroes to be muscular, to appear powerful, and very masculine. Practically, a very fit man makes sense in these settings.

Women have said several times in this thread that more realism in male warriors is not a bad thing. We certainly wouldn't object to it. However, women avatars all looking like Playboy models do get on the bad side of women and stretch the plausibility of a fantasy world ground in reality.

Well I don't think most guys are drawn to the fact that they get to play as muscular guys. I think they are drawn to the massive amount of violence and bloodshed.

A game is a game, and while it has its realistic roots, it's not meant to be follow realism 100%. I still don't understand why anyone would care about representation in a video game that much. I don't exactly envision myself as an emo, flamboyant teenage boy out to save the world in JRPG's, yet I've never taken that as a representation of men as a whole. I fail to see how this is so offensive to women.

I think it's different because, as a rule, men are making video games for men. There are quite a few female gamers out there, but there are very few of us in game design and development. I'm in a game design class, and I'm one of 3 girls in a class of nearly 30. It's easy for guys not to care about male representation because there's a wider range of male protagonists out there, and it's still (almost always) a guy's vision of what a guy wants to play as. It's harder to just say "whatever" about how women's bodies are shown in video games when we have almost no say in how those bodies are rendered, you know? It's a totally different perspective.

[ErichHartmann]

Madame Lanka wrote...

Male strippers would be welcomed, yes? Yes....

The Full Monty? :innocent:

[Dave of Canada]

If they made a movie or television show the average life of Clerk Stevenson at the local grocery store and every guy he encountered was buffed up "macho man" and every woman was a "hot babe", realism suffers from it because an average day wouldn't be close to that.



The problem isn't the mountain breasts or the super man builds of every character, the problem is that one cannot sit down and expect this to be slightly realistic when Grandma Thomas has 48DD cups or Edward the Hobo is as buff as Kratos.

[Lord_Valandil]

Madame Lanka wrote...

Male strippers would be welcomed, yes? Yes....

Could be a new specialty.

[Zevais]

Madame Lanka wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Madame Lanka wrote...

Male strippers would be welcomed, yes? Yes....

Can't you ...see the future anyhow ?

Giant......leather.....bulges......block my view of the future

You'll shoot your eye out kid!

[Saibh]

H_Itachi wrote...

wow. when you generalize you account for all men in your statements. Men in movies are so ripped and beefy its because what theirr character is portrayed as. Men are not just ripped for no reason in movies its part of their character. and what you are saying is subjective to say that its not is really ignorant because if not subjective how you can actually prove that its not. it would have to be fact and whats true.

Really? Because no character would look like that without express bodybuilding, and the attempt to look like that. Not because it comes naturally due to vigorous work-out and athleticism in their daily lives. You try to rationalize away that comic books, movies, and games that are meant to appeal to men far more often then not share that ridiculous, over-the-top beefy figure, instead of a smaller, more realistic one.

Why is it done over and over and over again? Because it's what men want to see. It's what they want in their heroes, in their avatars. It's what they define as a "man". I am making a generalization. And when you do that, guess what, you can be assured not everyone feels that way without my direct clarification.

[mosaiclobster]

H_Itachi wrote...

Saibh wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

ok so your saying that waist and breast type are not standard common type usual regular and natural? explain whats the natural and standard type of breasts and waist? i dont being negative towards what your saying im just trying to see what you mean since a lot of what your saying doesnt really make sense.

I'm saying that there's an average (a "common", "regular", "usual") size for women, and that ain't it--at least not for her body type, weight, and size.

what exactly is her body, weight, and size? that can vary to a great extent. sure shes not 300 pounds but body type can vary in what people might not see normal ways. and what is the average size for women, im curious because it looks to me you know some stuff that i should know.

I think we can all agree that DD breasts with a 16 inch waist is not the average body type for women. What a lot guys don't seem to understand about this is we don't have anything against big breasts or thin bodies or *whatever*. It would just be nice to see a more athletic, strong looking female character. Like someone else mentioned, the women that you see competing in the olympics are strong *and* attractive- they don't have cartoonish breasts or stick-like arms and legs. They look like they can kick butt.