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Would you be ok with guy oriented eye-candy if there were more for women?


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H_Itachi wrote...

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ok so your saying that waist and breast type are not standard common type usual regular and natural? explain whats the natural and standard type of breasts and waist? i dont being negative towards what your saying im just trying to see what you mean since a lot of what your saying doesnt really make sense.


I'm saying that there's an average (a "common", "regular", "usual") size for women, and that ain't it--at least not for her body type, weight, and size.


what exactly is her body, weight, and size? that can vary to a great extent. sure shes not 300 pounds but body type can vary in what people might not see normal ways. and what is the average size for women, im curious because it looks to me you know some stuff that i should know.


You seriously want me to detail exactly what the average is for all women's body types? Seriously? No, I'm just sending you to Wikipedia. :lol:

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Saibh wrote...

Because it's what men want to see. It's what they want in their heroes, in their avatars.


Not me. One of the reasons I like Hawke is because from what has been shown he isn't with a 200 pack.

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Saibh wrote...

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wow. when you generalize you account for all men in your statements. Men in movies are so ripped and beefy its because what theirr character is portrayed as. Men are not just ripped for no reason in movies its part of their character. and what you are saying is subjective to say that its not is really ignorant because if not subjective how you can actually prove that its not. it would have to be fact and whats true.


Really? Because no character would look like that without express bodybuilding, and the attempt to look like that. Not because it comes naturally due to vigorous work-out and athleticism in their daily lives. You try to rationalize away that comic books, movies, and games that are meant to appeal to men far more often then not share that ridiculous, over-the-top beefy figure, instead of a smaller, more realistic one.

Why is it done over and over and over again? Because it's what men want to see. It's what they want in their heroes, in their avatars. It's what they define as a "man". I am making a generalization. And when you do that, guess what, you can be assured not everyone feels that way without my direct clarification.


Ok, I am done digressing tonight. You can make your brilliant arguements without my distracting potty talk that is in poor humor. Take care everyone! Keep this madness going. This is SPARTA!

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mosaiclobster wrote...

I think we can all agree that DD breasts with a 16 inch waist is not the average body type for women. What a lot guys don't seem to understand about this is we don't have anything against big breasts or thin bodies or *whatever*. It would just be nice to see a more athletic, strong looking female character. Like someone else mentioned, the women that you see competing in the olympics are strong *and* attractive- they don't have cartoonish breasts or stick-like arms and legs. They look like they can kick butt.


Bethany's boobs are a darkspawn honeypot, then Hawke jumps in and kills em. It's all about tactics.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Because it's what men want to see. It's what they want in their heroes, in their avatars.


Not me. One of the reasons I like Hawke is because from what has been shown he isn't with a 200 pack.


Off topic but from what I've noticed, things like 6 packs are largely show muscles. It takes way to much work to get and keep on especially past 25. The guys you meet who always have great muscle definition usually also don't have all that much strength.

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The reason why the comparison to male character models doesn't hold is that a "ripped" hero makes sense; hell, it's actually a by-product of being so athletic and active and actually aids the hero.  A heroine obviously does not
grow her breasts in a similar fashion, and such proportions would actually be a hindrance in melee combat.

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MariSkep wrote...

Off topic but from what I've noticed, things like 6 packs are largely show muscles. It takes way to much work to get and keep on especially past 25. The guys you meet who always have great muscle definition usually also don't have all that much strength.


I still wouldn't mess with somebody with a 200 pack.

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The reason why the comparison to male character models doesn't hold is that a "ripped" hero makes sense; hell, it's actually a by-product of being so athletic and active and actually aids the hero.  A heroine obviously does not
grow her breasts in a similar fashion, and such proportions would actually be a hindrance in melee combat.


Not just melee combat. In an rpg where your character does a lot of walking while carrying around camping equipment, all that 'extra weight' really doesn't help the situation.

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Saibh wrote...
If you don't understand, I don't think I could explain it to you. It's not something you care about, so I don't think you have the empathy to understand at all. I don't mean that as an insult, but you don't seem to get that women want to play an avatar they think looks cool; that looks tough and heroic. Not necessarily masculine or non-feminine, but able to hold her own. For most of us, we see breasts that big and think "ouch, back problems; I bet she has trouble running", as well as rolling our eyes that our character models have been idealized to match your (well, men's) fantasies.


mosaiclobster wrote...
I
think it's different because, as a rule, men are making video games for
men. There are quite a few female gamers out there, but there are very
few of us in game design and development. I'm in a game design class,
and I'm one of 3 girls in a class of nearly 30. It's easy for guys not
to care about male representation because there's a wider range of male
protagonists out there, and it's still (almost always) a guy's vision of
what a guy wants to play as. It's harder to just say "whatever" about
how women's bodies are shown in video games when we have almost no say
in how those bodies are rendered, you know? It's a totally different
perspective.


But the issue is that not everyone likes what they get to see or play in video games. It's a common issue that has nothing to do with the sex of the player. Everyone has his or her own preferences, and I hardly doubt Bioware will include extensive character creation capabilities just so everyone can be happy.
I can relate with this based on the fact that I am Chinese, and most heroes in video games are not Chinese, let alone Asian. However, I've realized long ago that it is not a big issue because this is a video game, and not a representation of real life.
You can argue that if Bioware does include some amazing character creation capabilities it would satisfy everyone, however then someone is going to unhappy that certain NPC's didn't look like the way he/she envisioned. This is because everyone has a different perspective and preference, thus nothing should ever go 100% your way (if it does, you found your soul mate, gratz!) In addition, if the game is supposed to be more realistic, they have bigger areas to work on than this.

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 Besides, isn't Bethany a mage? no need to be like a steroided olympics athlete, boobs on her are fine.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Off topic but from what I've noticed, things like 6 packs are largely show muscles. It takes way to much work to get and keep on especially past 25. The guys you meet who always have great muscle definition usually also don't have all that much strength.


I still wouldn't mess with somebody with a 200 pack.


Dave, with that beard you could take Chuck Norris.

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Saibh wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

wow. when you generalize you account for all men in your statements. Men in movies are so ripped and beefy its because what theirr character is portrayed as. Men are not just ripped for no reason in movies its part of their character. and what you are saying is subjective to say that its not is really ignorant because if not subjective how you can actually prove that its not. it would have to be fact and whats true.


Really? Because no character would look like that without express bodybuilding, and the attempt to look like that. Not because it comes naturally due to vigorous work-out and athleticism in their daily lives. You try to rationalize away that comic books, movies, and games that are meant to appeal to men far more often then not share that ridiculous, over-the-top beefy figure, instead of a smaller, more realistic one.

Why is it done over and over and over again? Because it's what men want to see. It's what they want in their heroes, in their avatars. It's what they define as a "man". I am making a generalization. And when you do that, guess what, you can be assured not everyone feels that way without my direct clarification.


im not trying to rationalize anything. when you genarlize the way you do as saying in men prefer your trying to speak for all men. whats defined in a man is subjective and i can be you not all heroes are like that in movies. and you really need to read what you say because one if NO chaaracter would like that without excess bodybuilding how is it that regular people i play sports with who dont bodybuild have a very muscular physique without excess body building. really take into account everything as a whole instead of your myths about how video games are mostly appealed for men. Really only men can speak for what men like. Speak for what you like and not for what the opposite genders likes and what is appealed for them. And i have no purpose in rationalizing that video games are targeted for men. Something like that cant be rationalized because the video game industry is growing and saying that most games are targeeted for men will be a flat out myth soon enough

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Lyssistr wrote...

 Besides, isn't Bethany a mage? no need to be like a steroided olympics athlete, boobs on her are fine.


Well, of course. She doesn't have to run around, just to stand still and use magic.
And people, we haven't seen the other female companions.

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MariSkep wrote...

Dave, with that beard you could take Chuck Norris.


My beard IS Chuck Norris.

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unnatural proportions exists even for male stereotypes. Just look at GI Joes and their arm sizes.

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Lord_Valandil wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

 Besides, isn't Bethany a mage? no need to be like a steroided olympics athlete, boobs on her are fine.


Well, of course. She doesn't have to run around, just to stand still and use magic.
And people, we haven't seen the other female companions.


Just sayin coz I've seen many times that boobs make it hard for her to fight. Boobs are fine for mages!

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Lyssistr wrote...

 Besides, isn't Bethany a mage? no need to be like a steroided olympics athlete, boobs on her are fine.


Doesn't a mage have to sprint around battle delivering her spells where needed and avoiding the enemy? And would she still have to drag around her tent, supplies ect and keep up with everyone else? The image of a mage being this weakling who can't do anything on the battle field is just as stupid as the overly endowed woman warrior.

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The reason why the comparison to male character models doesn't hold is that a "ripped" hero makes sense; hell, it's actually a by-product of being so athletic and active and actually aids the hero.  A heroine obviously does not
grow her breasts in a similar fashion, and such proportions would actually be a hindrance in melee combat.

Wrong. If you want to be realistic, then whatever male models they've been showing are exaggerated. This is not to mention muscles that develop based on combat looks completely different than muscles developed by working out or doing arduous labors.
In addition, this muscle stereotype only works if your character is a strength type character, while other possibilities, such as DW Warriors, Rogues, and Mages should not follow this stereotype.
It just seems like most people are not happy about this because most people who post about this are the ones who are unhappy.

Modifié par AuraofMana, 31 août 2010 - 03:23 .


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Saibh wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

Saibh wrote...

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ok so your saying that waist and breast type are not standard common type usual regular and natural? explain whats the natural and standard type of breasts and waist? i dont being negative towards what your saying im just trying to see what you mean since a lot of what your saying doesnt really make sense.


I'm saying that there's an average (a "common", "regular", "usual") size for women, and that ain't it--at least not for her body type, weight, and size.


what exactly is her body, weight, and size? that can vary to a great extent. sure shes not 300 pounds but body type can vary in what people might not see normal ways. and what is the average size for women, im curious because it looks to me you know some stuff that i should know.


You seriously want me to detail exactly what the average is for all women's body types? Seriously? No, I'm just sending you to Wikipedia. :lol:


first off wikipedia! AAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. that explains alot given that the information on wikipedia might as well be edited by a three year old. anyway see you guys later im gone for now. 

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 Typical Bosom in TW2. Suddenly, Bioware doesn't seem so crass.
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no tu quoques, please.

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MariSkep wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

 Besides, isn't Bethany a mage? no need to be like a steroided olympics athlete, boobs on her are fine.


Doesn't a mage have to sprint around battle delivering her spells where needed and avoiding the enemy? And would she still have to drag around her tent, supplies ect and keep up with everyone else? The image of a mage being this weakling who can't do anything on the battle field is just as stupid as the overly endowed woman warrior.


Many mages are like that, also Bethany isn't like a super skinny weakling but still it doesn't matter if she has to move a little, she's a mage. Mages don't requite good physique per se, not that boobs imply bad physique.

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first off wikipedia! AAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. that explains alot given that the information on wikipedia might as well be edited by a three year old. anyway see you guys later im gone for now. 


Oh, you little puppy, you, who never learned how to properly use sources and citations. God bless your naive heart.

Modifié par Saibh, 31 août 2010 - 03:22 .


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H_Itachi wrote...

Saibh wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

Saibh wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

ok so your saying that waist and breast type are not standard common type usual regular and natural? explain whats the natural and standard type of breasts and waist? i dont being negative towards what your saying im just trying to see what you mean since a lot of what your saying doesnt really make sense.


I'm saying that there's an average (a "common", "regular", "usual") size for women, and that ain't it--at least not for her body type, weight, and size.


what exactly is her body, weight, and size? that can vary to a great extent. sure shes not 300 pounds but body type can vary in what people might not see normal ways. and what is the average size for women, im curious because it looks to me you know some stuff that i should know.


You seriously want me to detail exactly what the average is for all women's body types? Seriously? No, I'm just sending you to Wikipedia. :lol:


first off wikipedia! AAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. that explains alot given that the information on wikipedia might as well be edited by a three year old. anyway see you guys later im gone for now. 


good bye and good riddance, you self righteous tool.

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Lyssistr wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

 Besides, isn't Bethany a mage? no need to be like a steroided olympics athlete, boobs on her are fine.


Well, of course. She doesn't have to run around, just to stand still and use magic.
And people, we haven't seen the other female companions.


Just sayin coz I've seen many times that boobs make it hard for her to fight. Boobs are fine for mages!


Hey, I wasn't being sarcastic.
I don't have a problem with her boobs :D