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[Mecha Tengu]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

physically? maybe not

but women with big breasts = more sales = more revenue = more money for the contiunation of the fantasy
universe

so in a way, breasts are the driving force of video games

And, in part, the value the video game industry puts in the male audience over the female audience may be why there is a two to one ratio. A little change isn't a bad thing, particularly when it can result in more profit.

okay then, give me your large sacked male or what ever it is woman want these days

what is it? amazone femminist that kicks the crap out of men? Im cool wiht that

[Dave of Canada]

Alright. Time to put up my argument.



This is Bethany and Hawke, you get a clear view at her breast size and how large it is. It looks like it's going to rip out of her shirt at any moment and that's while wearing what appears to be chain mail. While some find this "hawt" and whatever term they can come up with, this stretches realism when you consider how the average cup size have only increased to such sizes due to implants and growth hormones introduced into our meat products. This isn't "large breasts", these are monsters that stretch realism to it's very limits and then some.

I won't mention the health problems normally associated with large breasts (due to them being referenced many times and people simply going "LOL WHO CARES LARGE BREASTS R KEWL").

While I wouldn't mind this very much if it was limited only to Bethany (spare us the incest comments) it's unfortunately been demonstrated on multiple other women models in the game, such as your character's mother:



Including Aveline (can't find a picture of her without going into spoiler-zone, unfortunately) we've only seen gigantic breasts that defy realism on all women models, through assumption I think it's pretty safe to assume that every single human woman in the game will have breasts as large as these.

With this problem in hand, I lose sense of realism in the character itself because I'm being confronted by gigantic fan service whenever I gaze upon the woman model. It's no better than the plate bra or bikini. Add also that Female Hawke will most likely also have this and we have more problems thrown on our hands, why must a female player play a female character that has a pornstar body when she's supposed to be a fiercesome warrior?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 août 2010 - 05:40 .

[Mecha Tengu]

tsk tsk I expected more from a fellow male dave, especially one who had been cheated off by an internets girl

[Saibh]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

physically? maybe not

but women with big breasts = more sales = more revenue = more money for the contiunation of the fantasy
universe

so in a way, breasts are the driving force of video games

Really? Because ME and DAO both did excellently. Without big boobs. You enjoyed them, did you not? You really think people buy BioWare games to see gigantic knockers? They do not. Sales wouldn't increase at that factor alone.

Again, did you dislike Morrigan or Leliana, or Tali, Jack, or Miranda because their figures weren't at the ridiculous level Bethany's is? Were you unattracted to them? 

Fanservice can be done without Bethany's character model. You can enjoy those games. Best of all, everyone is pleased. Women are pleased. You get your fanservice. Everyone is happy.

[Maverick827]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

so.. women don't enjoy having large breasts? or they don't enjoy it when other women have it and they dont?

for us: its: all men want 6 packs, we do not hate other men who have 6 packs, but strive to achieve that goal

...

Do you not see this entire argument of women coming forward and objecting to this ideal? 

What you just said is: men want six packs and get six packs in their games. Men want big boobs on their women and get those on their women in games, too. Women don't care that much about six packs and get six packs in their games. Women prefer reasonable chests in their video games, and get big boobs on their women in games.

Something does not compute.

There are logical reasons for a man to be very fit in a video game--he is athletic, he can carry swords and wear armor. It is beneficial. It is not beneficial for women to have ridiculous sized breasts and do those things.

physically? maybe not

but women with big breasts = more sales = more revenue = more money for the contiunation of the fantasy
universe

so in a way, breasts are the driving force of video games

And I trust you have the proper figures to back all of that up, correct?  Because it's not like Dragon Age was wildly successful without these...features?  I don't even know what to call this choice BioWare has made, because it's entirely useless.

[Lyssistr]

Saibh wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

so.. women don't enjoy having large breasts? or they don't enjoy it when other women have it and they dont?

for us: its: all men want 6 packs, we do not hate other men who have 6 packs, but strive to achieve that goal

...

Do you not see this entire argument of women coming forward and objecting to this ideal? 

What you just said is: men want six packs and get six packs in their games. Men want big boobs on their women and get those on their women in games, too. Women don't care that much about six packs and get six packs in their games. Women prefer reasonable chests in their video games, and get big boobs on their women in games.

Something does not compute.

There are logical reasons for a man to be very fit in a video game--he is athletic, he can carry swords and wear armor. It is beneficial. It is not beneficial for women to have ridiculous sized breasts and do those things.

 There's not any male conspiracy around, things reach equilibrium with regard to their market. If the market wants that, that's what Bioware tries to make, if not their bad because they lose sales and they should adjust to the market.

 If in a few years time you don't get the games you seek 1) the market cannot support them 2) companies are stupid and cannot do their market research properly. If they keep doing 2) they stay out of business.

[Dave of Canada]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

tsk tsk I expected more from a fellow male dave, especially one who had been cheated off by an internets girl

Meh, I don't let my past sway my opinions. /shrug

[CrookedAsylum]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

physically? maybe not

but women with big breasts = more sales = more revenue = more money for the contiunation of the fantasy
universe

so in a way, breasts are the driving force of video games

And, in part, the value the video game industry puts in the male audience over the female audience may be why there is a two to one ratio. A little change isn't a bad thing, particularly when it can result in more profit.

okay then, give me your large sacked male or what ever it is woman want these days

what is it? amazone femminist that kicks the crap out of men? Im cool wiht that

Women beating crap out of men does not equality make, yo.

[Arttis]

Corset is making her look skinner than she really is.

[Dave of Canada]

Lyssistr wrote...

There's not any male conspiracy around, things reach equilibrium with regard to their market. If the market wants that, that's what Bioware tries to make, if not their bad because they lose sales and they should adjust to the market.

 If in a few years time you don't get the games you seek 1) the market cannot support them 2) companies are stupid and cannot do their market research properly. If they keep doing 2) they stay out of business.

Oh I see, women in games need outrageously large breasts or they won't sell. At all.

[Mecha Tengu]

Saibh wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

physically? maybe not

but women with big breasts = more sales = more revenue = more money for the contiunation of the fantasy
universe

so in a way, breasts are the driving force of video games

Really? Because ME and DAO both did excellently. Without big boobs. You enjoyed them, did you not? You really think people buy BioWare games to see gigantic knockers? They do not. Sales wouldn't increase at that factor alone.

Again, did you dislike Morrigan or Leliana, or Tali, Jack, or Miranda because their figures weren't at the ridiculous level Bethany's is? Were you unattracted to them? 

Fanservice can be done without Bethany's character model. You can enjoy those games. Best of all, everyone is pleased. Women are pleased. You get your fanservice. Everyone is happy.

ohhhh fan service, should we really be putting some sort of limit on that?

[Saibh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Alright. Time to put up my argument.


This is Bethany and Hawke, you get a clear view at her breast size and how large it is. It looks like it's going to rip out of her shirt at any moment and that's while wearing what appears to be a corset and chain mail. While some find this "hawt" and whatever term they can come up with, this stretches realism when you consider how the average cup size have only increased to such sizes due to implants and growth hormones introduced into our meat products. This isn't "large breasts", these are monsters that stretch realism to it's very limits and then some.

I disagree that she is wearing a corset. I agree that the chainmail is positioned in a very odd place, but it doesn't look like any corset I've ever seen.

[Bryy_Miller]

Lyssistr wrote...

There's not any male conspiracy around, things reach equilibrium with regard to their market. If the market wants that, that's what Bioware tries to make, if not their bad because they lose sales and they should adjust to the market.

 If in a few years time you don't get the games you seek 1) the market cannot support them 2) companies are stupid and cannot do their market research properly. If they keep doing 2) they stay out of business.

That is possibly the best facepalm post ever.

[Lyssistr]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

There's not any male conspiracy around, things reach equilibrium with regard to their market. If the market wants that, that's what Bioware tries to make, if not their bad because they lose sales and they should adjust to the market.

 If in a few years time you don't get the games you seek 1) the market cannot support them 2) companies are stupid and cannot do their market research properly. If they keep doing 2) they stay out of business.

Oh I see, women in games need outrageously large breasts or they won't sell. At all.

And where exactly did I say that?

[GameBoyish]

Dave, the screenies you posted made me realise Bethany's outfit is neither robes nor armor (wtf with the chainmail anyway?). Additionally, Hawke's awkward codpiece in screenie no.2 O_o



Anyways, why give Bethany such an outfit that only protects the front of her waist and crotch but her jugs are vulnerable? I am disappoint.



In any case, eye candy of either gender is always fine but please avoid chainmail bikini at all costs... The only way chainmail bikini is ever permitted is in fantasy ART not games...

[Arttis]

You guys are on a river without a map and half a paddle...

[Lyssistr]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

There's not any male conspiracy around, things reach equilibrium with regard to their market. If the market wants that, that's what Bioware tries to make, if not their bad because they lose sales and they should adjust to the market.

 If in a few years time you don't get the games you seek 1) the market cannot support them 2) companies are stupid and cannot do their market research properly. If they keep doing 2) they stay out of business.

That is possibly the best facepalm post ever.

on your mirror? because that's exactly how markets work.

[Mecha Tengu]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Dave, the screenies you posted made me realise Bethany's outfit is neither robes nor armor (wtf with the chainmail anyway?). Additionally, Hawke's awkward codpiece in screenie no.2 O_o

Anyways, why give Bethany such an outfit that only protects the front of her waist and crotch but her jugs are vulnerable? I am disappoint.

In any case, eye candy of either gender is always fine but please avoid chainmail bikini at all costs... The only way chainmail bikini is ever permitted is in fantasy ART not games...

lol princess leia?

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

I disagree that she is wearing a corset. I agree that the chainmail is positioned in a very odd place, but it doesn't look like any corset I've ever seen.

Maybe it's the chain mail but near the back of her robe / shirt, I see straps of a sort. They don't really look connected to the chain mail.

[Saibh]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

ohhhh fan service, should we really be putting some sort of limit on that?

But it doesn't really need to be limited. Jack is essentially wearing a strip of leather covering her nipples. Morrigan wears a scarf. Miranda has a suit that comes pre-crack'd. I don't object to any of these things. You can have fanservice that pleases guys, and have character models that pleases women all at the same time.

That, to me, clearly seems like the best solution.

[Dave of Canada]

Lyssistr wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

There's not any male conspiracy around, things reach equilibrium with regard to their market. If the market wants that, that's what Bioware tries to make, if not their bad because they lose sales and they should adjust to the market.

 If in a few years time you don't get the games you seek 1) the market cannot support them 2) companies are stupid and cannot do their market research properly. If they keep doing 2) they stay out of business.

Oh I see, women in games need outrageously large breasts or they won't sell. At all.

And where exactly did I say that?

You're defending outrageously large breasts by saying that it's what the market wants and they'd lose sales and in a few years time, the market won't be able to support realistic looking women.

[Arttis]

You guys should realise now that no one is changing their minds and I have no opinion on the matter that I would claim to be mine.

[Saibh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I disagree that she is wearing a corset. I agree that the chainmail is positioned in a very odd place, but it doesn't look like any corset I've ever seen.

Maybe it's the chain mail but near the back of her robe / shirt, I see straps of a sort. They don't really look connected to the chain mail.

They do to me. Besides that, tightening straps wouldn't really do a whole lot to constrict your waist. Corsets have to wrap all the way around and have ties that surround the waist that can constrict.

If those straps aren't holding the chainmail up, what is? They also go over the chainmail, as you can see.

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I disagree that she is wearing a corset. I agree that the chainmail is positioned in a very odd place, but it doesn't look like any corset I've ever seen.

Maybe it's the chain mail but near the back of her robe / shirt, I see straps of a sort. They don't really look connected to the chain mail.

They do to me. Besides that, tightening straps wouldn't really do a whole lot to constrict your waist. Corsets have to wrap all the way around and have ties that surround the waist that can constrict.

If those straps aren't holding the chainmail up, what is? They also go over the chainmail, as you can see.

I zoomed in on the photo and you're correct.

I shall jump off a cliff in shame.

[Maverick827]

Also note that the largest point of contention is not Bethany's model, but rather the great likelihood that said model will be used for all female characters, including the female warden.

If there are two or three models available, and Bethany and her mother are using the "largest" of the bunch, and the female warden does not, then the problems disappear and you can have your pointless eye-candy.