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[Arttis]

TheMadCat wrote...

Arttis wrote...

You had a fat woman model that was never used in the game....

Actually it was once, if I remember correctly the wife of the man talking about the meteor baby used that model.

DLC do not count!<_<

[KhorinShizucor]

Riona45 wrote...

KhorinShizucor wrote...

Bethany is a mage so when did mages need athletic bodies to fight with magic? Sure, you'd need stamina to travel long distances.

We don't know if Bethany is even a long term companion, but I would assume that any party member would have to be quite fit, even aside from traveling and (presumably) carrying things.  Battle in this game is dynamic, unpredictable, and wouldn't be friendly to someone used to a sedentary existance.

Good point. I guess if she studied in the tower and was fresh out of it, she'd be a little less fit. The mages weren't allowed to leave the tower, right? Even on excursions? Anyway, this conversation is actually off topic so I'll leave it at that.

[Anarya]

Kilshrek wrote...

Has anyone mentioned Aveline? Granted she only has the one screenshot so far... But I don't think she's incapable of making Darkspawn gibs...

Just sayin'

I'm holding off on commenting on her until we get a better shot. She's not really positioned very well to see her clearly.

[TheMadCat]

Arttis wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Arttis wrote...

You had a fat woman model that was never used in the game....

Actually it was once, if I remember correctly the wife of the man talking about the meteor baby used that model.

DLC do not count!<_<

Hehe yeah, I guess not. Shouldn't have to pay extra to see the one fat, out of shape, non-supermodel woman in all of Ferelden.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 30 août 2010 - 11:26 .

[Lord_Valandil]

H_Itachi wrote...

To me that sort of takes away from the characters personality a little. imagine if morrigans boobs were as big as bethany's, it would totally ruin her personality to me.

Come on man. Bethany's boobs aren't near as big as:

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:sTRfz5wByf-6BM:http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-03/art/sc4-ivy.jpg&t=1[/img]

[img]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/shugo_dusk/Mai-Shiranui.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.yunasville.com/img/082005/taki.jpg[/img]

Now, why are you complaining about proportions when is far more unrrealistic to have sex with diapers and underwear? Yeah, that has been discussed before.
Ergo, you're not going anywhere with this discussion.

[Arttis]

The middle and last one she might have bigger or the same.

[Anarya]

I actually love playing as Ivy in the Soul Caliber games. But again, that's the type of game Soul Caliber is trying to be and it's expected of them. I don't want Ivy's body or outfit on my Hawke.

Modifié par Anarya, 30 août 2010 - 11:29 .

[pizoxuat]

I would be happiest if I could have a selection of body types. I'd like to have a whip-thin rogue, a heavily muscled fighter, and a Christina Hendricks/Crystal Renn-like mage. But I know none of those will be an option.

[Arttis]

Anarya wrote...

I actually love playing as Ivy in the Soul Caliber games. But again, that's the type of game Soul Caliber is trying to be and it's expected of them. I don't want Ivy's body on my Hawke.

Fine I want ivy'z body on the straigth female LI.

[zahra]

Anarya wrote...

zahra wrote...

I feel like large-breasted woman are getting a bit of flack here; e.g women with large boobs can't fight well/at all/shouldn't fight. I get the concerns about sexual objectification and etcetera, but please remind yourselves that some real people are built like this, and this discussion is slanted in such a way that is a bit condescending towards this group.

Short version: All breast sizes are awesome by default because they are breasts duhhh.

I already addressed this in an earlier post but I don't think less of women with large breasts. If she has huge breasts on an otherwise stick-thin body ala Barbie, then no I don't think she looks much like a fighter. If the large breasts are attached to, say, a lady who looks like a female Qunari, I'm going to run away before she kicks my ass.

I am not belittling well-endowed ladies, I just don't think the far end of the spectrum should be the default body model.

Edit: and that goes for both ends of the spectrum. I don't think A cups should be the default either.

People will have different ideas about what marks the far end of the spectrum, but I get what you're saying. My ideal FemHawke would look like Captain Soi Fong from Bleach (and men all over the world disagree with me), so I would love a lithe and muscular Hawke. I don't want to repeat myself, so in summation I just think it had to be made clear that the wording we use when discussing our ideal Hawke should chosen with a certain delicacy as it we may inadvertently be offending real people when we are talking about pixels and what we want them to represent. 

[Saibh]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

To me that sort of takes away from the characters personality a little. imagine if morrigans boobs were as big as bethany's, it would totally ruin her personality to me.

Come on man. Bethany's boobs aren't near as big as:

Now, why are you complaining about proportions when is far more unrrealistic to have sex with diapers and underwear? Yeah, that has been discussed before.
Ergo, you're not going anywhere with this discussion.

Bethany's breasts and body figure stretch believability. She is both thinner and has larger breasts then Pamela Anderson. Can't imagine why anyone would find Pamela Anderson attractive, but this is besides the point.

EDIT: damn bandwidth...

Modifié par Saibh, 31 août 2010 - 02:06 .

[Arttis]

Bandwidth exceeded....

All Bioware models can stretch.

[ErichHartmann]

Anarya wrote...

I actually love playing as Ivy in the Soul Caliber games. But again, that's the type of game Soul Caliber is trying to be and it's expected of them. I don't want Ivy's body or outfit on my Hawke.

Plus Japanese and Korean developers" perfected" over the top sexuality a long time ago.  Must sell games since they keep doing it. 

[Riona45]

DaySeeker wrote...
However, in DA there were more than a few female characters who had more than boobs, they had brains, and courage, and confidence, so the fact they all had the same body (except for the dwarven ones that freaked me out), wasn't an issue to me.

Good points--BioWare does tend to make great characters of both genders, and the use of the same body type for most characters came down to a "suspense of disbelief" issue for me.  I doubt most men in Thedas have such nicely chiseled bodies underneath their clothing, just like I'm pretty sure Wynne didn't really have the body of an 18 year old.

[Anarya]

zahra wrote...

Anarya wrote...

zahra wrote...

I feel like large-breasted woman are getting a bit of flack here; e.g women with large boobs can't fight well/at all/shouldn't fight. I get the concerns about sexual objectification and etcetera, but please remind yourselves that some real people are built like this, and this discussion is slanted in such a way that is a bit condescending towards this group.

Short version: All breast sizes are awesome by default because they are breasts duhhh.

I already addressed this in an earlier post but I don't think less of women with large breasts. If she has huge breasts on an otherwise stick-thin body ala Barbie, then no I don't think she looks much like a fighter. If the large breasts are attached to, say, a lady who looks like a female Qunari, I'm going to run away before she kicks my ass.

I am not belittling well-endowed ladies, I just don't think the far end of the spectrum should be the default body model.

Edit: and that goes for both ends of the spectrum. I don't think A cups should be the default either.

People will have different ideas about what marks the far end of the spectrum, but I get what you're saying. My ideal FemHawke would look like Captain Soi Fong from Bleach (and men all over the world disagree with me), so I would love a lithe and muscular Hawke. I don't want to repeat myself, so in summation I just think it had to be made clear that the wording we use when discussing our ideal Hawke should chosen with a certain delicacy as it we may inadvertently be offending real people when we are talking about pixels and what we want them to represent. 

Fair enough and I will add that I would very much like to play a Hawke with Soi Fong's body type. But I'll admit also that Yoruichi is one of my favorite characters from Bleach and she is, um, extremely well-endowed.

[Tinxa]

mynameisdanza wrote...

Speaking for myself, as a woman gamer, it's not her breast SIZE exactly that bothers me. In comparison to the rest of her body, though, it seems very distracting. She's very slender everywhere else and then pop! there's some big ol bewbies. Of course this body type exists, but it's just not something I'd want my PC to look like.
It's just too bad that we can't have a little variety. But hey, it could certainly have been much worse!

Exactly! That's the thing that bothers me. It just looks weird  In one screenshot each breast looks the size of Bethany's head. The breasts don't look like they belong on her body, the size just brings attention to itself and not in a good way. 

I don't understand why they did this. Breast size was fine in origins. Morrigan had a revealing outfit and she looked fine. The chasind robe was very revealing with larger breasts on female chars but it still wasn't THAT extreme.

[Riona45]

KhorinShizucor wrote...

Good point. I guess if she studied in the tower and was fresh out of it, she'd be a little less fit. The mages weren't allowed to leave the tower, right? Even on excursions? Anyway, this conversation is actually off topic so I'll leave it at that.

Bethany is an apostate, and apparently Mage!Hawke will get to be an apostate as well.  The Hawkes are also don't seem to be members of the priveleged class and are most likely used to daily physical labor.

[Kilshrek]

Anarya wrote...

I'm holding off on commenting on her until we get a better shot. She's not really positioned very well to see her clearly.

Well, I did say as much, but if models are consistent throughout animations then it is possible to guesstimate surely... Bethany would beat Aveline hands down in this case.. I daresay Bethany has a special model, as certain special characters will now, and Aveline is of the more generic type?

[Fraq Hound]

This thread is becoming increasingly more pointless.

tmp7704 wrote...

*Unicorn Alistair Image*

this is a
man sexualized purely for the sake of being turned into eye candy, with
total disregard for how silly it makes him look. A pretty close
equivalent of what's done to women.

Now i don't know, but have
this lingering feeling quite a few men would rear and neigh at the
concept of playing character like this because hey, it actually doesn't
make them look all that cool and powerful ../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png

It's already been brought up, BY A WOMAN, that not all women think the things in that picture are eye candy. Like I said earlier in the thread, what traits people find attractive is totally and completely dependent on the person.

You can't lump all guys into liking gigantic blimp boobs just like you can't lump all women into liking men with steriod muscles.


Also against my better judgement i'm going to say this.

A big part of Bioware games are the romance subplots (infact they are one of my favorite parts of a Bioware game). An important part of any good romance is that you feel attracted to your romantic partner, and i'm sure everyone here can agree that men as a whole focus more on visual attraction then women do.

That being said I think it's completely fair for women to want THEIR character to not be oversexualized. However I do not think it's realistic to expect Bioware to dress all the women in the game up in turtleneck sweaters and trench coats.

I don't necessarily agree that the women in the game need to have huge knockers, nore do i think the men need to be giant meatheaded muscle masses. Then again I'm not the one creating the game. If Bioware wants their game to include these things then nothing that is said on this forum is going to prevent it from happening.

In the end all you can do is vote with your dollar and quite frankly with Bioware's track record I would be willing to purchase a game where I played the pretty pink Alistair/unicorn half-breed. I'd even go in with optimism.

Whether or not I'd buy the sequel is still up in the air.

[Arttis]

Anarya wrote...

zahra wrote...

Anarya wrote...

zahra wrote...

I feel like large-breasted woman are getting a bit of flack here; e.g women with large boobs can't fight well/at all/shouldn't fight. I get the concerns about sexual objectification and etcetera, but please remind yourselves that some real people are built like this, and this discussion is slanted in such a way that is a bit condescending towards this group.

Short version: All breast sizes are awesome by default because they are breasts duhhh.

I already addressed this in an earlier post but I don't think less of women with large breasts. If she has huge breasts on an otherwise stick-thin body ala Barbie, then no I don't think she looks much like a fighter. If the large breasts are attached to, say, a lady who looks like a female Qunari, I'm going to run away before she kicks my ass.

I am not belittling well-endowed ladies, I just don't think the far end of the spectrum should be the default body model.

Edit: and that goes for both ends of the spectrum. I don't think A cups should be the default either.

People will have different ideas about what marks the far end of the spectrum, but I get what you're saying. My ideal FemHawke would look like Captain Soi Fong from Bleach (and men all over the world disagree with me), so I would love a lithe and muscular Hawke. I don't want to repeat myself, so in summation I just think it had to be made clear that the wording we use when discussing our ideal Hawke should chosen with a certain delicacy as it we may inadvertently be offending real people when we are talking about pixels and what we want them to represent. 

Fair enough and I will add that I would very much like to play a Hawke with Soi Fong's body type. But I'll admit also that Yoruichi is one of my favorite characters from Bleach and she is, um, extremely well-endowed.

I thought that one  vice captain was extremely well endowed....yoruichi is really at bethany sized breasts.

[habitat 67]

Anarya wrote...

I will also add that Bioware is already great at making male characters who are very attractive to women, but that most of the attraction comes from their personalities, because really, very few of the male face models in Origins and Awakening made me go "ooh HOT" at first glance.

Ser Perth.

[Saibh]

Fraq Hound wrote...

It's already been brought up, BY A WOMAN, that not all women think the things in that picture are eye candy. Like I said earlier in the thread, what traits people find attractive is totally and completely dependent on the person.

You can't lump all guys into liking gigantic blimp boobs just like you can't lump all women into liking men with steriod muscles.

Also against my better judgement i'm going to say this.

A big part of Bioware games are the romance subplots (infact they are one of my favorite parts of a Bioware game). An important part of any good romance is that you feel attracted to your romantic partner, and i'm sure everyone here can agree that men as a whole focus more on visual attraction then women do.

That being said I think it's completely fair for women to want THEIR character to not be oversexualized. However I do not think it's realistic to expect Bioware to dress all the women in the game up in turtleneck sweaters and trench coats.

I don't necessarily agree that the women in the game need to have huge knockers, nore do i think the men need to be giant meatheaded muscle masses. Then again I'm not the one creating the game. If Bioware wants their game to include these things then nothing that is said on this forum is going to prevent it from happening.

In the end all you can do is vote with your dollar and quite frankly with Bioware's track record I would be willing to purchase a game where I played the pretty pink Alistair/unicorn half-breed. I'd even go in with optimism.

Whether or not I'd buy the sequel is still up in the air.

And yet, Morrigan is DAO's most popular love interest, and Tali is ME's. Neither of whom had gigantic boobs. One of whom you haven't even seen a bit of skin and have no idea how she looks.

[Lord_Valandil]

Saibh wrote...
Bethany's breasts and body figure stretch believability. She is both thinner and has larger breasts then Pamela Anderson. Can't imagine why anyone would find Pamela Anderson attractive, but this is besides the point.

Well, I don't find her attractive, just for the record.
Hmm...well, I stick to my point. You people can't expect this kind of realism, the stereotypes are a big thing. Big boobs and six-pack abs.
They didn't hear you when you complained about the diapers and underwear, despite you weren't requesting porno videos, and I'm sure that they won't hear you now.
Fact. And if some dev answers to my post (that would be a surprise, because they have ignored me like five times already), and counters my statement with "NO U ARE WRONG, IT'LL BE DIFFERENT", then I'll eat my hat. That's it.

[Arttis]

Women love certain voices also.

[Arttis]

Saibh wrote...

Fraq Hound wrote...

It's already been brought up, BY A WOMAN, that not all women think the things in that picture are eye candy. Like I said earlier in the thread, what traits people find attractive is totally and completely dependent on the person.

You can't lump all guys into liking gigantic blimp boobs just like you can't lump all women into liking men with steriod muscles.

Also against my better judgement i'm going to say this.

A big part of Bioware games are the romance subplots (infact they are one of my favorite parts of a Bioware game). An important part of any good romance is that you feel attracted to your romantic partner, and i'm sure everyone here can agree that men as a whole focus more on visual attraction then women do.

That being said I think it's completely fair for women to want THEIR character to not be oversexualized. However I do not think it's realistic to expect Bioware to dress all the women in the game up in turtleneck sweaters and trench coats.

I don't necessarily agree that the women in the game need to have huge knockers, nore do i think the men need to be giant meatheaded muscle masses. Then again I'm not the one creating the game. If Bioware wants their game to include these things then nothing that is said on this forum is going to prevent it from happening.

In the end all you can do is vote with your dollar and quite frankly with Bioware's track record I would be willing to purchase a game where I played the pretty pink Alistair/unicorn half-breed. I'd even go in with optimism.

Whether or not I'd buy the sequel is still up in the air.

And yet, Morrigan is DAO's most popular love interest, and Tali is ME's. Neither of whom had gigantic boobs. One of whom you haven't even seen a bit of skin and have no idea how she looks.

Please I feel mentioning the word tali will bring the tali fans to this thread and you will have 10000 pages of spam...
Morrigan out of her usual armor has the regular sized breasts...regular in DA:O...