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[sw33t nothings]

*enters, blinks, yawns and stretches* OMG, you guys are all still here? No lockdown?



How wages the war? Is it still: "We'd like realistic female body models" vs "MOAR BOOBIES!" or did it become more complex in my absence?

[Clover Rider]

sw33t nothings wrote...

*enters, blinks, yawns and stretches* OMG, you guys are all still here? No lockdown?

How wages the war? Is it still: "We'd like realistic female body models" vs "MOAR BOOBIES!" or did it become more complex in my absence?

Well I don't like real crap and I don't care if boobs are big or not .

[Lyssistr]

Beth is running for governor after DA2 !

[tmp7704]

Dave of Canada wrote...

This is why Bethany's figure can't work.

I'm torn between the mage and warrior being the best one.

[sw33t nothings]

Dave, you just made me spit coffee our of my nose. My hat's off to you, sir.

[Saibh]

tmp7704 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

This is why Bethany's figure can't work.

I'm torn between the mage and warrior being the best one.

I like the rogue one best.

[sw33t nothings]

Saibh wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

This is why Bethany's figure can't work.

I'm torn between the mage and warrior being the best one.

I like the rogue one best.

I agree. I can't tell if it's my unnatural bias towards Rogues, though. 

There should be another piece in the series. You know, the one where Rogue Hawke fails because her boobs keep setting off traps.

[dislye]

MariSkep wrote...

dislye wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

i don't think it should be viewed as some kind of competition of "which gender does BioWare like most?" that's just silly. And proportions are a matter of artistic style. The fantasy genre has long has the well-muscled man and the buxom woman; they are idealized figures.

True, of course some of us prefer women athletic and not showing lots of flesh when they're supposed to be dressed for a fight.  I don't require believablity, but I do like to be able to suspend disbelief.  If I'm thinking "Only a moron would get into a swordfight in this getup" that's not good.

just put her in armor then. Has everyone on here forgotten about choice??? If you want your character covered put him/her in something that will cover them. If not then put Hawke in something more revealing, heck run around in undies if you want(......the under garments should be much improved this time lol ). Something for everyone. Again I ask: What is the problem?

this doesn't solve the problem as every female pc we bump into would still have the GG chest.

 
 Not every female, just....well, every female human. Making different body types for a human female would be a pain and honestly, not worth the effort. As I said many times, the body variety will come in the from of other races (elve, dwarves, quanari, etc. ) Sure you may not like it but other will: Just like there may be things you like about the game that others will not like. I am no fool though, this thread isn't going to get anywhere. We are not going to get EVERYTHING we want in a game, that simple. not you, not Anarya, not Lord Gremlin, not I: no one. I don't have a problem with that.

[Anarya]

I'm partial to the mage's chest LOSing her. Inconvenient!

[Sejborg]

tmp7704 wrote...

dislye wrote...

just put her in armor then. Has everyone on here forgotten about choice???

I think everyone just remembers that armour comes with strength requirements that mages rarely meet unless they pick a certain specialization. And rogues don't even get such specialization. Which leave them without much choice in that regard.

Then put her in a mage robe that covers her boobies.

It's not like you where forced to use the chasind robe in Origins either. Jees. 

[tmp7704]

dislye wrote...

Not every female, just....well, every female human. Making different body types for a human female would be a pain and honestly, not worth the effort. As I said many times, the body variety will come in the from of other races (elve, dwarves, quanari, etc. )

It may come as shock, but for the same reason -- "making different body types would be a pain and honestly not worth the effort" DAO uses the same body type for humans, elves and dwarves. The elves are human models scaled to 92% of the original, and dwarves are human models scaled down to 84% vertically.

Thus, i wouldn't expect the other races to bring that supposed body variety, either.

[Anarya]

dislye wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

dislye wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

i don't think it should be viewed as some kind of competition of "which gender does BioWare like most?" that's just silly. And proportions are a matter of artistic style. The fantasy genre has long has the well-muscled man and the buxom woman; they are idealized figures.

True, of course some of us prefer women athletic and not showing lots of flesh when they're supposed to be dressed for a fight.  I don't require believablity, but I do like to be able to suspend disbelief.  If I'm thinking "Only a moron would get into a swordfight in this getup" that's not good.

just put her in armor then. Has everyone on here forgotten about choice??? If you want your character covered put him/her in something that will cover them. If not then put Hawke in something more revealing, heck run around in undies if you want(......the under garments should be much improved this time lol ). Something for everyone. Again I ask: What is the problem?

this doesn't solve the problem as every female pc we bump into would still have the GG chest.

 
 Not every female, just....well, every female human. Making different body types for a human female would be a pain and honestly, not worth the effort. As I said many times, the body variety will come in the from of other races (elve, dwarves, quanari, etc. ) Sure you may not like it but other will: Just like there may be things you like about the game that others will not like. I am no fool though, this thread isn't going to get anywhere. We are not going to get EVERYTHING we want in a game, that simple. not you, not Anarya, not Lord Gremlin, not I: no one. I don't have a problem with that.

I'm well aware I won't get everything I want. I feel like there's a point to making myself heard on the issue, however. I've heard many posts along the lines of "well no one ever objected to ______ when Origins was in development!" Clearly no one can say we never objected to the huge boobage before DA2's release. Also, with the amount of new threads discussing gender issues that have cropped up recently I'd say more people are beginning to just consider the issues at hand. If I don't get anything else in the way of my wants, that's at least something.

But I still want a reasonable default chest size. *crosses arms*

[tmp7704]

Sejborg wrote...

Then put her in a mage robe that covers her boobies.

It's not like you where forced to use the chasind robe in Origins either. Jees. 

Yeah, that will work great for a rogue. Because it's not like every single light armour available in DAO for females used the same single mesh and come with the same chest exposure.

Oh wait, it did.

[Anarya]

tmp7704 wrote...

dislye wrote...

Not every female, just....well, every female human. Making different body types for a human female would be a pain and honestly, not worth the effort. As I said many times, the body variety will come in the from of other races (elve, dwarves, quanari, etc. )

It may come as shock, but for the same reason -- "making different body types would be a pain and honestly not worth the effort" DAO uses the same body type for humans, elves and dwarves. The elves are human models scaled to 92% of the original, and dwarves are human models scaled down to 84% vertically.

Thus, i wouldn't expect the other races to bring that supposed body variety, either.

Huh. Out of curiousity, why do dwarves have orangutan arms? I appreciate your posts like this that reveal the way the body models work, by the way.

[Sejborg]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Then put her in a mage robe that covers her boobies.

It's not like you where forced to use the chasind robe in Origins either. Jees. 

Yeah, that will work great for a rogue. Because it's not like every single light armour available in DAO for females used the same single mesh and come with the same chest exposure.

Oh wait, it did.

You have a weird game then. Have you modded it? 

[tmp7704]

Anarya wrote...

Huh. Out of curiousity, why do dwarves have orangutan arms? I appreciate your posts like this that reveal the way the body models work, by the way.

The models have their "skeletons" used for animations with arms of roughly the same size for all races. So on dwarves which are shorter than humans these arms are relatively longer. Elves have that too, though since they're not as short as dwarves it is less visible.

I'm not sure why they did it this way especially since it meant some extra work had to be put into adjusting arm mesh to match the bones. Can only guess this had something to do with ability to use the same animations for all races, but it's actually not required so... well, it's puzzling.

Modifié par tmp7704, 31 août 2010 - 06:28 .

[dislye]

Anarya wrote...

dislye wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

dislye wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

i don't think it should be viewed as some kind of competition of "which gender does BioWare like most?" that's just silly. And proportions are a matter of artistic style. The fantasy genre has long has the well-muscled man and the buxom woman; they are idealized figures.

True, of course some of us prefer women athletic and not showing lots of flesh when they're supposed to be dressed for a fight.  I don't require believablity, but I do like to be able to suspend disbelief.  If I'm thinking "Only a moron would get into a swordfight in this getup" that's not good.

just put her in armor then. Has everyone on here forgotten about choice??? If you want your character covered put him/her in something that will cover them. If not then put Hawke in something more revealing, heck run around in undies if you want(......the under garments should be much improved this time lol ). Something for everyone. Again I ask: What is the problem?

this doesn't solve the problem as every female pc we bump into would still have the GG chest.

 
 Not every female, just....well, every female human. Making different body types for a human female would be a pain and honestly, not worth the effort. As I said many times, the body variety will come in the from of other races (elve, dwarves, quanari, etc. ) Sure you may not like it but other will: Just like there may be things you like about the game that others will not like. I am no fool though, this thread isn't going to get anywhere. We are not going to get EVERYTHING we want in a game, that simple. not you, not Anarya, not Lord Gremlin, not I: no one. I don't have a problem with that.

I'm well aware I won't get everything I want. I feel like there's a point to making myself heard on the issue, however. I've heard many posts along the lines of "well no one ever objected to ______ when Origins was in development!" Clearly no one can say we never objected to the huge boobage before DA2's release. Also, with the amount of new threads discussing gender issues that have cropped up recently I'd say more people are beginning to just consider the issues at hand. If I don't get anything else in the way of my wants, that's at least something.

But I still want a reasonable default chest size. *crosses arms*

my apologies if I have offended you. I hear what you are saying and I understand really,  do. Maybe the devs like te models that way. Surely they have a right if anyone does to put something they want in the game. Bioware always try to look out for the fans, so why not look out for them? The breasts are big true but not ridiculously massive. I understand you Anarya, I really do. I don't want you or any of the other ladies on here to think I'm just picking with any of you becomes I'm not.

[tmp7704]

Sejborg wrote...

You have a weird game then. Have you modded it? 

That's not weird, it's what the default game provides. And given it's also available on xbox and PS3 which don't have the mods, that's all the major part of the playerbase gets.

[Ciryx]

tmp7704 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Huh. Out of curiousity, why do dwarves have orangutan arms? I appreciate your posts like this that reveal the way the body models work, by the way.

The models have their "skeletons" used for animations with arms of roughly the same size. So on dwarves which are shorter than humans these arms are relatively longer. Elves have that too, though since they're not as short as dwarves it is less visible.

I'm not sure why they did it this way especially since it meant some extra work had to be put into adjusting arm mesh to match the bones. Can only guess this had something to do with ability to use the same animations for all races, but it's actually not required so... well, it's puzzling.

They did it cause of cutszenes. A Dwarfen arm should be able to reach the Bookshelv (or whatever) as well as the human arm. If they would have had different ArmLENGHT the Characters should have been positioned differently and so on. Tis means they would have needed to make every Cutszene for every race.
It got confirmed though that this will be the case for DA 2. Well, not exactly, since u cant play a dwarf anymore, but it will be done for female Hawk.

Modifié par Ciryx, 31 août 2010 - 06:32 .

[Anarya]

dislye wrote...

my apologies if I have offended you. I hear what you are saying and I understand really,  do. Maybe the devs like te models that way. Surely they have a right if anyone does to put something they want in the game. Bioware always try to look out for the fans, so why not look out for them? The breasts are big true but not ridiculously massive. I understand you Anarya, I really do. I don't want you or any of the other ladies on here to think I'm just picking with any of you becomes I'm not.

I don't think you're picking on me at all. You're allowed to have your own opinion on the subject.

@tmp: Huh. Again, interesting and kinda weird. So that's why elves have giant man hands. The whole body model and armor systems seem set up in a weird and impractical way from my very technically impaired point of view.

[ObserverStatus]

It sort of breaks the immersion, I can't help thinking "Wait, isn't Thedas at least a thousand years from inventing silicone?" Perhaps the qunari are only a few hundred, but you get the point.

[Sejborg]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

You have a weird game then. Have you modded it? 

That's not weird, it's what the default game provides. And given it's also available on xbox and PS3 which don't have the mods, that's all the major part of the playerbase gets.

I know. I have the game for my PS3. And I have different shapes of light armor. Some show the belly, some don't, some show a little of the chest, and some don't. That's what I got in my ps3 version. 

[Sejborg]

Colenda wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

It sort of breaks the immersion, I can't help thinking "Wait, isn't Thedas at least a thousand years from inventing silicone?" Perhaps the qunari are only a few hundred, but you get the point.

This. 

Or perhaps it is not the Planet Earth they live on, but some other place, where it's normal for females to have huge bazunkas. Ever thought of that?