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[Sejborg]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

I know. I have the game for my PS3. And I have different shapes of light armor. Some show the belly, some don't, some show a little of the chest, and some don't. That's what I got in my ps3 version. 

They all use the same, single mesh though so the shapes really aren't different   There's Dalish armour which shows bare midriff in addition to the exposed chest, and other variants either cover the arms/legs or don't, but as far as i know there's no female light armour in default game that covers the chest similar to how the male version does it, all variants expose it in very similar manner. If your game has one that doesn't, i'd be curious which armour is that.

Hmm. Now that you mention it again, I am not really sure if there really is a female light armor that covers all of the stomach.  Maybe I have been mistaken.

At any rate, I personally don't think that the light armors in Origins where too revealing. But hey. I like Beths new outfit, so I would propably not think Origins light armors where too sexy. 

[CrookedAsylum]

Shadow_broker wrote...

As i pointed out a few pages ago, I have many athletes at my campus who are well endowed and participate in sports just as fine as the girls who aren't as big. It's burden but big boobs do not make physical activity impossible.
Also just because one outfit makes boobs look big dosen't mean they all will, Calm down Bioware already promised no Chain bikini's so if it really bothers you that much Spec arcane warrior.
All men are ripped in Dragon age even the ones who aren't fighting you don't see me complaining how unrealistic that is female gamers Overreacting to one screenshot

I, too, work out often. My breasts are smaller than they would have been if I didn't.

No chainmail bikins doesn't mean that I should stop being bothered by the portrayal of women in video games. And if I'm really bothered by it I should just shut up and become and Arcane Warrior? Really? Of course, how foolish of me, that sounds perfectly reasonable and fair.

I personally enjoyed the Dragon Age models. They actually had overweight models.

[Maverick827]

Shadow_broker wrote...

As i pointed out a few pages ago, I have many athletes at my campus who are well endowed and participate in sports just as fine as the girls who aren't as big. It's burden but big boobs do not make physical activity impossible.
Also just because one outfit makes boobs look big dosen't mean they all will, Calm down Bioware already promised no Chain bikini's so if it really bothers you that much Spec arcane warrior.
All men are ripped in Dragon age even the ones who aren't fighting you don't see me complaining how unrealistic that is female gamers Overreacting to one screenshot

All of these points have been met and refuted pages ago; please do not post if you are not willing to properly prepare your argument.

[finnugold]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

finnugold wrote...

My main problem is not that women in video games are typically portrayed with large breasts, but that they look like toothpicks that could be blown over with a soft wind while the men are relatively muscular. I would expect a female adventurer to be muscular.

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iqe-X_EvOpX-QM:http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/Menschoir/art%20stuff/memoriesoficedk8.jpg&t=1[/img]
I don't care if you think muscles on a woman are gross. I want to play a female warrior who looks like that.

Now this is a proper character design, looking nice and believable. Add beheaded body of Conan the Barbarian on the right to complete the picture.

Ehh[img]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/img]Not attractive at all sorry, Bethany and fem hawke can look like this but i'd prefer they keep the Man Arms and face off LI

See? That's the problem. You dislike it just because it's unattractive in your opinion. This is a realistic portrayal of a muscular woman. If you've seen female boxers or martial artist, you know that anyone gets pretty buff when they're doing a lot of fighting. I'm not saying that everyone should look like this, but I think that if more women in video games did, female players would feel less insulted by the large amount of characters with large boobs.

[tmp7704]

finnugold wrote...

My main problem is not that women in video games are typically portrayed with large breasts, but that they look like toothpicks that could be blown over with a soft wind while the men are relatively muscular. I would expect a female adventurer to be muscular.

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iqe-X_EvOpX-QM:http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/Menschoir/art%20stuff/memoriesoficedk8.jpg&t=1[/img]
I don't care if you think muscles on a woman are gross. I want to play a female warrior who looks like that.

That would make nice base for female Hawke armour. has the same thing going with one arm exposed like male Hawke does, would just need some extra bits here and there.

[Beocat]

Ciryx wrote...

finnugold wrote...

My main problem is not that women in video games are typically portrayed with large breasts, but that they look like toothpicks that could be blown over with a soft wind while the men are relatively muscular. I would expect a female adventurer to be muscular.

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iqe-X_EvOpX-QM:http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/Menschoir/art%20stuff/memoriesoficedk8.jpg&t=1[/img]
I don't care if you think muscles on a woman are gross. I want to play a female warrior who looks like that.

I like it very much. Especially the defined muscles in the arm. For an female Warrior that is.

I too like this type of avatar.  The arms are definitely defined and all her characteristics match up pretty well.

[Zevais]

Dave of Canada wrote...

*post fail*

It was because of this:

finnugold wrote...

My main problem is not that women in video games are typically portrayed with large breasts, but that they look like toothpicks that could be blown over with a soft wind while the men are relatively muscular. I would expect a female adventurer to be muscular.

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iqe-X_EvOpX-QM:http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/Menschoir/art%20stuff/memoriesoficedk8.jpg&t=1[/img]
I don't care if you think muscles on a woman are gross. I want to play a female warrior who looks like that.

Wasn't it?

[Lyssistr]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Hawke is rising up to seize power, most likely by brutal force if the title Champion of Kirkwall is anything to go by.  And what of the mother who, too, has large breasts that should be sagging but aren't?

And we don't mind breasts. Really, we don't. We don't mind large breasts either. But a lot do mind when every woman seems to have them, regardless of lifestyle and how active they are in life.

Regardless, I didn't say all women would agree with me. I said that I doubt I was alone in feeling that all women having large breasts is unrealistic, and that people would be disappointed if Lady Hawke carried the same genes as Bethany.. If this topic, and the former "This Thread is About Boobs" topic is anything to go by, then I wasn't exaggerating my assumption.

 I'm inclined to agree that women in DA2 should have some sort of normal distribution on their breast size, this is what is pretty much happening in real world anyhow. However, Bethany herself was targeted (not by you) for her "gigantic" (lol) boobs tho and I think it's fair to have some large-boob women in game, they're not abominations to need an excuse, quite the contrary I may add.

 Since your problem is mainly with femHawke, I think the reasonable thing to say is make Hawke customizable, game's not out yet ,they have time to make minor changes in the engine, and more option always keeps everyone happy.

[Ciryx]

Lyssistr wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

tap out? then this would be submission wrestling, not wrestling. Iirc greco-roman & freestyle wrestling doesn't have a women's division in the olympics. 

 In any case, there's a reason why women and men don't fight together in boxing, wrestling and mma, even if their weight is the same. It's not that women can't physically fight but in a bare hands fight they are at disadvantage against a man of the same weight who is as trained. Of course none of this really matters in "war" (eg in a 4 person squad where people are armored and can use magic) because weapons & tactics phase much of this out.

There ARE physical differences between man and woman. And Anyone claiming that Woman are in generell as physically strainable as man simply denie the facts. I give u that.
But that doesnt mean there is no use for females on a battlefield if there are man on it. Hand a woman a bow and some arrowd and she can kill as easly as any man. Or train her to use weapons that are made for exploiting weakpoints of armor. (Rapiers, Daggers, Poisoned Blades of all kind etc)
Bascially all kind of warfare were raw strenght and stamina doesnt count as much. And ye, i am pretty sure there are lots of this kind of weapons/ fightingstyles that support that kind of warfare.

[Lord Gremlin]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Hawkes moms boobs WERE saggy IMO and we've only seen what 3 women from screen shots? and correct me if i'm wrong but aveline was almost completley flat chested

You're wrong.

And quite so... Their boobs fill my brain with images of insane plastic surgeon, laughing maniacally as he put more, more and MORE silicone in... And then his genlock servant Igor brings some tainted silicone... And as soon as Bethany opens her eyes surgeon scream "it's ALIVE"!!!

Gosh, this thread will drive me insane. People on this forum are insane, worst of all, of course, Bioware writers...

[ObserverStatus]

At any rate, adding female oriented eye candy would not make male oriented eye candy stand out less.



Like silicone, steroids probably haven't been invented in Thedas either. My concern is for realism, not fairness.

[CrookedAsylum]

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

Well, you don't sound sexist at all.

I can't say anything about grappling as I try to avoid it - Yes, I acknowledge that I would be at a (admittedly large) disadvantage - but it's a different story when it's straight on fighting. I fight men. Often. In fact, I prefer fighting men as opposed to women. Why? Because, truthfully, yes, men will underestimate me and they do.

And then they end up with some busted ribs and a busted jaw, and wonder what happened.

Men do not automatically win, not if the women they are fighting are trained properly and know how to play up their advantages.

Women fighters can be like the Spanish Inquisition like that.

[Clover Rider]

finnugold wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

finnugold wrote...

My main problem is not that women in video games are typically portrayed with large breasts, but that they look like toothpicks that could be blown over with a soft wind while the men are relatively muscular. I would expect a female adventurer to be muscular.

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iqe-X_EvOpX-QM:http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/Menschoir/art%20stuff/memoriesoficedk8.jpg&t=1[/img]
I don't care if you think muscles on a woman are gross. I want to play a female warrior who looks like that.

Now this is a proper character design, looking nice and believable. Add beheaded body of Conan the Barbarian on the right to complete the picture.

Ehh[img]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/img]Not attractive at all sorry, Bethany and fem hawke can look like this but i'd prefer they keep the Man Arms and face off LI

See? That's the problem. You dislike it just because it's unattractive in your opinion. This is a realistic portrayal of a muscular woman. If you've seen female boxers or martial artist, you know that anyone gets pretty buff when they're doing a lot of fighting. I'm not saying that everyone should look like this, but I think that if more women in video games did, female players would feel less insulted by the large amount of characters with large boobs.

You don't want to go to my taekwondo dojo .

[Shadow_broker]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

As i pointed out a few pages ago, I have many athletes at my campus who are well endowed and participate in sports just as fine as the girls who aren't as big. It's burden but big boobs do not make physical activity impossible.
Also just because one outfit makes boobs look big dosen't mean they all will, Calm down Bioware already promised no Chain bikini's so if it really bothers you that much Spec arcane warrior.
All men are ripped in Dragon age even the ones who aren't fighting you don't see me complaining how unrealistic that is female gamers Overreacting to one screenshot

I, too, work out often. My breasts are smaller than they would have been if I didn't.

No chainmail bikins doesn't mean that I should stop being bothered by the portrayal of women in video games. And if I'm really bothered by it I should just shut up and become and Arcane Warrior? Really? Of course, how foolish of me, that sounds perfectly reasonable and fair.

I personally enjoyed the Dragon Age models. They actually had overweight models.

Lloyd lol
But the problem with this is bioware does plenty of sexism on both sides, For example no one points out Jacob had just as many ass shots as miranda in mass effect 2.
This is such a small thing to complain about that one outfit makes bethany look well endowed and i think people are oevrreacting considering it's one of only about 7 screenshots that hae surfaced

[Shadow_broker]

finnugold wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

finnugold wrote...

My main problem is not that women in video games are typically portrayed with large breasts, but that they look like toothpicks that could be blown over with a soft wind while the men are relatively muscular. I would expect a female adventurer to be muscular.

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iqe-X_EvOpX-QM:http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/Menschoir/art%20stuff/memoriesoficedk8.jpg&t=1[/img]
I don't care if you think muscles on a woman are gross. I want to play a female warrior who looks like that.

Now this is a proper character design, looking nice and believable. Add beheaded body of Conan the Barbarian on the right to complete the picture.

Ehh[img]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/img]Not attractive at all sorry, Bethany and fem hawke can look like this but i'd prefer they keep the Man Arms and face off LI

See? That's the problem. You dislike it just because it's unattractive in your opinion. This is a realistic portrayal of a muscular woman. If you've seen female boxers or martial artist, you know that anyone gets pretty buff when they're doing a lot of fighting. I'm not saying that everyone should look like this, but I think that if more women in video games did, female players would feel less insulted by the large amount of characters with large boobs.

I said Hawke and bethany could look like this for all i care, I simply don't want to romance a Muscular woman anymore than a woman wants to romance a guy with manboobs.

[ObserverStatus]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Hawkes moms boobs WERE saggy IMO and we've only seen what 3 women from screen shots? and correct me if i'm wrong but aveline was almost completley flat chested

You're wrong.

And quite so... Their boobs fill my brain with images of insane plastic surgeon, laughing maniacally as he put more, more and MORE silicone in... And then his genlock servant Igor brings some tainted silicone... And as soon as Bethany opens her eyes surgeon scream "it's ALIVE"!!!

Gosh, this thread will drive me insane. People on this forum are insane, worst of all, of course, Bioware writers...

Now that is a vivid image.  Thank you Lorg Gremlin.

[Clover Rider]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

Well, you don't sound sexist at all.

I can't say anything about grappling as I try to avoid it - Yes, I acknowledge that I would be at a (admittedly large) disadvantage - but it's a different story when it's straight on fighting. I fight men. Often. In fact, I prefer fighting men as opposed to women. Why? Because, truthfully, yes, men will underestimate me and they do.

And then they end up with some busted ribs and a busted jaw, and wonder what happened.

Men do not automatically win, not if the women they are fighting are trained properly and know how to play up their advantages.

Women fighters can be like the Spanish Inquisition like that.

I have lost to women in fights .

[Dave of Canada]

Lyssistr wrote...

However, Bethany herself was targeted (not by you) for her "gigantic" (lol) boobs tho and I think it's fair to have some large-boob women in game, they're not abominations to need an excuse, quite the contrary I may add.

LOL U MAEK A FUNNEH

I was saying all women in the game have gigantic breasts, not only bethany.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 août 2010 - 08:44 .

[finnugold]

bobobo878 wrote...

At any rate, adding female oriented eye candy would not make male oriented eye candy stand out less.

Like silicone, steroids probably haven't been invented in Thedas either. My concern is for realism, not fairness.

*Gag* His face makes him look like he's 15. Sorry, not for me. Course, I have an aversion to anything twilight. KEEP IT AWAY, IT BURNS!

[Lyssistr]

Ciryx wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

tap out? then this would be submission wrestling, not wrestling. Iirc greco-roman & freestyle wrestling doesn't have a women's division in the olympics. 

 In any case, there's a reason why women and men don't fight together in boxing, wrestling and mma, even if their weight is the same. It's not that women can't physically fight but in a bare hands fight they are at disadvantage against a man of the same weight who is as trained. Of course none of this really matters in "war" (eg in a 4 person squad where people are armored and can use magic) because weapons & tactics phase much of this out.

There ARE physical differences between man and woman. And Anyone claiming that Woman are in generell as physically strainable as man simply denie the facts. I give u that.
But that doesnt mean there is no use for females on a battlefield if there are man on it. Hand a woman a bow and some arrowd and she can kill as easly as any man. Or train her to use weapons that are made for exploiting weakpoints of armor. (Rapiers, Daggers, Poisoned Blades of all kind etc)
Bascially all kind of warfare were raw strenght and stamina doesnt count as much. And ye, i am pretty sure there are lots of this kind of weapons/ fightingstyles that support that kind of warfare.

I said that in my initial post, a battle is different to a bare hands fight, US army uses women successfully in all operations these days.

[mllrthyme]

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

I was just pointing out the flaw in your generalized statement.  IRL men are generally physically stronger than women, and yes, will more often then not win in a hand to hand match based on strength.  However, I believe that most combat is not necessarily based on brawn, but brains.  Using an individual's strengths (not necessarily physcial attributes) and better combat tactics will generally win the fight, especially in a fantasy setting like DA where magic exists and archers have unlimited ammo.  This is, of course, providing that the female character's oversized breasts don't get in the way.

[Danjaru]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

Well, you don't sound sexist at all.

I can't say anything about grappling as I try to avoid it - Yes, I acknowledge that I would be at a (admittedly large) disadvantage - but it's a different story when it's straight on fighting. I fight men. Often. In fact, I prefer fighting men as opposed to women. Why? Because, truthfully, yes, men will underestimate me and they do.

And then they end up with some busted ribs and a busted jaw, and wonder what happened.

Men do not automatically win, not if the women they are fighting are trained properly and know how to play up their advantages.

Women fighters can be like the Spanish Inquisition like that.

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times. If you won't accept that, it's your problem, and calling me names for not thinking the way you do (as you are wrong) is just childish.

[finnugold]

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

I was just pointing out the flaw in your generalized statement.  IRL men are generally physically stronger than women, and yes, will more often then not win in a hand to hand match based on strength.  However, I believe that most combat is not necessarily based on brawn, but brains.  Using an individual's strengths (not necessarily physcial attributes) and better combat tactics will generally win the fight, especially in a fantasy setting like DA where magic exists and archers have unlimited ammo.  This is, of course, providing that the female character's oversized breasts don't get in the way.

Flexibility can be a huge bonus in fights, which is one thing women seem to have over men. So can speed, which isn't really unbalanced for either gender, so female warriors just have to train to be faster than the guys.

[Sejborg]

Lord
Gremlin wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Sejborg is ignorant. There were a lot of female warriors during course of history. Although usually they didn't have big breasts, due to the fact that most of breast tissue consist of fat and active lifestyle doesn't really helps
increasing amount of fat in the body... Of course hormones play a big role here, but still.

I think Sejborg needs to find a female soldier and tell her about his believes. I just love it, when girl severely beats a guy. Well, some other guy, not me, of course...

Okay. How many females do you think can take down... say Mike Tyson? If the Warden was real do you think Tyson would stand a chance against such a maniac? Somebody mentioned reality, and I tried to point out that Dragon Age is not reality. 

I think you should find some stairs to fall down from. I just love when people fall down the stairs. Not me though or anyone else. Just you. 

edited a lot of spelling errors. 

I usually avoid stairs - THEY sent them, didn't they? They onto me!

The point is, there were and there are female warriors. So this doesn't feel unreal. Now, the way DA portrays them may look unreal, but that's another thing.

Hm. Speaking of Tyson - is he allowed to use a sword? AK-47? A mace? Because hand-to-hand combat is a bit different...

They send a lot of stairs. Believe me.

And also you are starting to get the point I tried to make. If the female warriors should be believable as the Grey Warden, they would not look female at all. And I doubt anyone would want that. As I said, I prefere a Monica Belucci lookalike to kick ass, instead of some "shehulk". Even though it is unrealistic. Keep the Hollywood look I say. 

Modifié par Sejborg, 31 août 2010 - 08:48 .

[Clover Rider]

Danjaru wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

Well, you don't sound sexist at all.

I can't say anything about grappling as I try to avoid it - Yes, I acknowledge that I would be at a (admittedly large) disadvantage - but it's a different story when it's straight on fighting. I fight men. Often. In fact, I prefer fighting men as opposed to women. Why? Because, truthfully, yes, men will underestimate me and they do.

And then they end up with some busted ribs and a busted jaw, and wonder what happened.

Men do not automatically win, not if the women they are fighting are trained properly and know how to play up their advantages.

Women fighters can be like the Spanish Inquisition like that.

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times. If you won't accept that, it's your problem, and calling me names for not thinking the way you do (as you are wrong) is just childish.

I like to think I am good at taekowdo and I have lost to women  :innocent:.