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[ErichHartmann]

Danjaru wrote...

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times.

There is no truth to that, but whatever.  Keep living in the Dark Ages. :happy: 

[ObserverStatus]

finnugold wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

At any rate, adding female oriented eye candy would not make male oriented eye candy stand out less.

Like silicone, steroids probably haven't been invented in Thedas either. My concern is for realism, not fairness.

*Gag* His face makes him look like he's 15. Sorry, not for me. Course, I have an aversion to anything twilight. KEEP IT AWAY, IT BURNS!

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Taylor Lautner:  Look in my eyes finnugold.  Your soul is mine, oblivion awaits.

Modifié par bobobo878, 31 août 2010 - 08:48 .

[Ciryx]

Lyssistr wrote...

Ciryx wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

tap out? then this would be submission wrestling, not wrestling. Iirc greco-roman & freestyle wrestling doesn't have a women's division in the olympics. 

 In any case, there's a reason why women and men don't fight together in boxing, wrestling and mma, even if their weight is the same. It's not that women can't physically fight but in a bare hands fight they are at disadvantage against a man of the same weight who is as trained. Of course none of this really matters in "war" (eg in a 4 person squad where people are armored and can use magic) because weapons & tactics phase much of this out.

There ARE physical differences between man and woman. And Anyone claiming that Woman are in generell as physically strainable as man simply denie the facts. I give u that.
But that doesnt mean there is no use for females on a battlefield if there are man on it. Hand a woman a bow and some arrowd and she can kill as easly as any man. Or train her to use weapons that are made for exploiting weakpoints of armor. (Rapiers, Daggers, Poisoned Blades of all kind etc)
Bascially all kind of warfare were raw strenght and stamina doesnt count as much. And ye, i am pretty sure there are lots of this kind of weapons/ fightingstyles that support that kind of warfare.

I said that in my initial post, a battle is different to a bare hands fight, US army uses women successfully in all operations these days.

i just wanted to point out they can be as effective as any man on the battlefield. And they can face off man for that matter too.

[finnugold]

Some Geth wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

Well, you don't sound sexist at all.

I can't say anything about grappling as I try to avoid it - Yes, I acknowledge that I would be at a (admittedly large) disadvantage - but it's a different story when it's straight on fighting. I fight men. Often. In fact, I prefer fighting men as opposed to women. Why? Because, truthfully, yes, men will underestimate me and they do.

And then they end up with some busted ribs and a busted jaw, and wonder what happened.

Men do not automatically win, not if the women they are fighting are trained properly and know how to play up their advantages.

Women fighters can be like the Spanish Inquisition like that.

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times. If you won't accept that, it's your problem, and calling me names for not thinking the way you do (as you are wrong) is just childish.

I like to think I am good at taekowdo and I have lost to women  :innocent:.

I've seen a female black belt win against a male black belt before. So that automatically disproves his 100% win vs women theory.

[Inside_Joke]

"High school girls discussing wang sizes. We've officially hit rock bottom, gentlemen." - thank you Rifftrax.



The fact that there has been a discussion on breast sizes for 62 pages makes me realize how much sex works in the media. *Might not like it, but you're discussing iiiiit!*

And all of Bioware assemble and laugh at what they've stirred up.



But, then again, if breast sizes are the biggest complaints of the community, there must not be that much we have to fear from this game ...

[finnugold]

bobobo878 wrote...

finnugold wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

At any rate, adding female oriented eye candy would not make male oriented eye candy stand out less.

Like silicone, steroids probably haven't been invented in Thedas either. My concern is for realism, not fairness.

*Gag* His face makes him look like he's 15. Sorry, not for me. Course, I have an aversion to anything twilight. KEEP IT AWAY, IT BURNS!

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Q0K62qIdHKtGLM:http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/TaylorLautner-hairstyle.jpg&t=1[/img]
Taylor Lautner:  Look in my eyes finnugold.  Your soul is mine, oblivion awaits.

ARRRRRRUUUUUGGGGGUUUUUGRRRRRRRR *head explode*

[Clover Rider]

finnugold wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

Well, you don't sound sexist at all.

I can't say anything about grappling as I try to avoid it - Yes, I acknowledge that I would be at a (admittedly large) disadvantage - but it's a different story when it's straight on fighting. I fight men. Often. In fact, I prefer fighting men as opposed to women. Why? Because, truthfully, yes, men will underestimate me and they do.

And then they end up with some busted ribs and a busted jaw, and wonder what happened.

Men do not automatically win, not if the women they are fighting are trained properly and know how to play up their advantages.

Women fighters can be like the Spanish Inquisition like that.

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times. If you won't accept that, it's your problem, and calling me names for not thinking the way you do (as you are wrong) is just childish.

I like to think I am good at taekowdo and I have lost to women  :innocent:.

I've seen a female black belt win against a male black belt before. So that automatically disproves his 100% win vs women theory.

And I have been kick hard by women in the face so I know he is full of it <_<.

[ObserverStatus]

finnugold wrote...
I've seen a female black belt win against a male black belt before. So that automatically disproves his 100% win vs women theory.

This is starting to remind me of that thread when Busomjack said femshep shouldn't be able to perform all the renegade interrupts.

[tmp7704]

Danjaru wrote...

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times. If you won't accept that, it's your problem, and calling me names for not thinking the way you do (as you are wrong) is just childish.

Considering the one advantage male fighter has on average over female is the body/muscle mass and that, surprise, surprise, it is possible and doable for smaller male to take out bigger one in a fight when both are "trained fighters", i'm not sure what makes you believe a woman would be utterly incapable of the same feat.

[Danjaru]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times.

There is no truth to that, but whatever.  Keep living in the Dark Ages. :happy: 

It's you who's living in Lala land. There's a reason why there's males only fight males in martial arts and why females only fight females. It's cause the Females wouldn't get far in the mens division. I don't see how you can argue against this. Think you've seen too many movies or played too many games.

tmp7704 wrote...
Considering the one advantage male fighter has on average over female is the body/muscle mass and that, surprise, surprise, it is possible and doable for smaller male to take out bigger one in a fight when both are "trained fighters", i'm not sure what makes you believe a woman would be utterly incapable of the same feat.

Even in the same weight divisions Women wouldn't stand a chance. The reason is testosterone.

But I'm not going to argue this further and go away from OT. You guys just need to understand reality a little.

Modifié par Danjaru, 31 août 2010 - 08:53 .

[Clover Rider]

bobobo878 wrote...

finnugold wrote...
I've seen a female black belt win against a male black belt before. So that automatically disproves his 100% win vs women theory.

This is starting to remind me of that thread when Busomjack said femshep shouldn't be able to perform all the renegade interrupts.

He hates Street Fighter he is dead to me :innocent:.

[CrookedAsylum]

Danjaru wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Of course they can, but only effective when fighting other females.

I respectfully disagree, and this is coming from a woman who successfully made one of her male buddies tap out during a playful wrestling match.  Oh, and he did have about 30 pounds on me.  It's really not that hard to cut off air flow if you're in shape and inventive.

But I do agree with you on the pot-bellies.  That would be awesome, especially on Ogren.

A male warrior vs a female one, male wins every time. Everyone knows this <.<..
Also I've tapped out against female friends or let them hit me. Doesn't mean they're stronger.

Having males fight eachother and females fighting eachother in MMA and whatnot is not to protect the males.

Well, you don't sound sexist at all.

I can't say anything about grappling as I try to avoid it - Yes, I acknowledge that I would be at a (admittedly large) disadvantage - but it's a different story when it's straight on fighting. I fight men. Often. In fact, I prefer fighting men as opposed to women. Why? Because, truthfully, yes, men will underestimate me and they do.

And then they end up with some busted ribs and a busted jaw, and wonder what happened.

Men do not automatically win, not if the women they are fighting are trained properly and know how to play up their advantages.

Women fighters can be like the Spanish Inquisition like that.

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times. If you won't accept that, it's your problem, and calling me names for not thinking the way you do (as you are wrong) is just childish.

Then I must be a man for all the fights I've won. My mistake. Good day, sexist sir.

May a crazed woman with a spiked bat scare your testicles.

Modifié par CrookedAsylum, 31 août 2010 - 08:52 .

[CrookedAsylum]

Danjaru wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times.

There is no truth to that, but whatever.  Keep living in the Dark Ages. :happy: 

It's you who's living in Lala land. There's a reason why there's males only fight males in martial arts and why females only fight females. It's cause the Females wouldn't get far in the mens division. I don't see how you can argue against this. Think you've seen too many movies or played too many games.

...
Really? The tournaments I've been in only split by weight class. And anecdotes does not reality for all make.

[Clover Rider]

tmp7704 wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times. If you won't accept that, it's your problem, and calling me names for not thinking the way you do (as you are wrong) is just childish.

Considering the one advantage male fighter has on average over female is the body/muscle mass and that, surprise, surprise, it is possible and doable for smaller male to take out bigger one in a fight when both are "trained fighters", i'm not sure what makes you believe a woman would be utterly incapable of the same feat.

And I am a small fighter by the way .

[finnugold]

Danjaru wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Not sexist, realist. Which you don't seem to be. Once again, a trained male fighter wins against the trained female one 10/10 times.

There is no truth to that, but whatever.  Keep living in the Dark Ages. :happy: 

It's you who's living in Lala land. There's a reason why there's males only fight males in martial arts and why females only fight females. It's cause the Females wouldn't get far in the mens division. I don't see how you can argue against this. Think you've seen too many movies or played too many games.

tmp7704 wrote...
Considering the one advantage male fighter has on average over female is the body/muscle mass and that, surprise, surprise, it is possible and doable for smaller male to take out bigger one in a fight when both are "trained fighters", i'm not sure what makes you believe a woman would be utterly incapable of the same feat.

Even in the same weight divisions Women wouldn't stand a chance. The reason is testosterone.

I had no idea testosterone turned you into the Incredible Hulk.

[Maverick827]

Alright, time for a little lesson on what an sexism is.

Despite what the dictionary lists (for it has not kept up with social movements), it is not sexist in the slightest that any character, male or female, was used for eye-candy.  Saying antagonistic things to a person of either gender is also not sexist; in the case of women, it's called misogyny, and in men, misandry.  I guess bigotry might apply, though "male" and "female" is not really a belief or idea against which once can stubbornly disbelieve.

Sexism is the systematic oppression of one gender by a person of power or authority of the other gender.  If a woman's boss tells her to make him a sandwich, then it is not a sexist sentiment.  If he refuses to even hire her in the first place because of her gender, then it is.  There's not many reverse examples that don't involve fanatic feminists.

I don't bring this up for any feminist movement, because I actually strongly disagree with most feminist opinions, but I hate it when people use strong buzz words to make their positions seem more authoritative.

[Lyssistr]

Ciryx wrote...


i just wanted to point out they can be as effective as any man on the battlefield. And they can face off man for that matter too.

yes they are, else US army wouldn't be using them. For a bare hands fight (e.g. queensbury rules or mma rules) though, unless there is a considerable gap in physique or technique, I can't agree, separate divisions are there for a reason.

[Lord Gremlin]

Inside_Joke wrote...

"High school girls discussing wang sizes. We've officially hit rock bottom, gentlemen." - thank you Rifftrax.

The fact that there has been a discussion on breast sizes for 62 pages makes me realize how much sex works in the media. *Might not like it, but you're discussing iiiiit!*
And all of Bioware assemble and laugh at what they've stirred up.

But, then again, if breast sizes are the biggest complaints of the community, there must not be that much we have to fear from this game ...

Well, this IS a biggest complaint since it has to do with immersion you see... Hm. Have you played Conan, a PS3/360 game? We have exactly Conan syndrome here. Beefed men and slim women with huge breasts.

Conan style is getting old. We should move on... And as far as I know DA is supposed to differ from stereotypical fantasy... 

[Clover Rider]

Maverick827 wrote...

Alright, time for a little lesson on what an sexism is.

Despite what the dictionary lists (for it has not kept up with social movements), it is not sexist in the slightest that any character, male or female, was used for eye-candy.  Saying antagonistic things to a person of either gender is also not sexist; in the case of women, it's called misogyny, and in men, misandry.  I guess bigotry might apply, though "male" and "female" is not really a belief or idea against which once can stubbornly disbelieve.

Sexism is the systematic oppression of one gender by a person of power or authority of the other gender.  If a woman's boss tells her to make him a sandwich, then it is not a sexist sentiment.  If he refuses to even hire her in the first place because of her gender, then it is.  There's not many reverse examples that don't involve fanatic feminists.

I don't bring this up for any feminist movement, because I actually strongly disagree with most feminist opinions, but I hate it when people use strong buzz words to make their positions seem more authoritative.

This .

[Danjaru]

finnugold wrote...

I had no idea testosterone turned you into the Incredible Hulk.

/facepalm

No, but when training the reason men get stronger than women is due to testosterone as it's muscle building. That is why testosterone shots are categorized as steroids..

[tmp7704]

Danjaru wrote...

Even in the same weight divisions Women wouldn't stand a chance. The reason is testosterone.

How so? What do you think testosterone does, exactly?

[CrookedAsylum]

Danjaru wrote...

finnugold wrote...

I had no idea testosterone turned you into the Incredible Hulk.

/facepalm

No, but when training the reason men get stronger than women is due to testosterone as it's muscle building. That is why testosterone shots are categorized as steroids..

If you knew as much as you claim to, then you would know, especially in the martial arts, that strength is not everything. In fact, the majority of martial arts, regardless of whether or not it's mixed, is based on technique and speed.

[Clover Rider]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

finnugold wrote...

I had no idea testosterone turned you into the Incredible Hulk.

/facepalm

No, but when training the reason men get stronger than women is due to testosterone as it's muscle building. That is why testosterone shots are categorized as steroids..

If you knew as much as you claim to, then you would know, especially in the martial arts, that strength is not everything. In fact, the majority of martial arts, regardless of whether or not it's mixed, is based on technique and speed.

This .

[Lord Gremlin]

tmp7704 wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

Even in the same weight divisions Women wouldn't stand a chance. The reason is testosterone.

How so? What do you think testosterone does, exactly?

In same weight division women stand a good chance. Testosterone is the reason men can build their muscular mass much easier than women.