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[anmiro]

We are presented with a much friendlier side of Cerberus in ME2. Most crew members are ignorant to the atrocities committed by their employer. Those that aren't, like Joker, have good reason to join up. After all, Cerberus is the only group that has heeded Commander Shepard's warning of the coming invasion and are taking the necessary steps to combat them. They even go so far as to resurrect the Commander and give him a new and improved ship to continue the fight. You'd be stupid not to accept their help. But people need to remember that  "The Illusive Man" is nothing more than the enemy of our enemy and when the Reapers have been defeated he will need to be held accountable.

TIM claims he is not responsible for the actions of his organisation's "Rogue Cells" because they were operating without his approval. But the whole point of operating in cells is to keep all parties insulated from one another. He gives them funding, a mission, and free reign to complete it. He never tells them what they can or can't do. Its not until he observes the results that he deems it "sanctioned" or "rogue".


Post any one of Cerberus's known crimes from ME1, ME2 or any of the Books.


Crime: Fed (Survivor) Shepard's entire squad to a Thresher Maw on Akuze, just to observe the results.

[Cheese Elemental]

Oh boy, here we go again.

OP, sorry to burst your bubble but this thread, like every other thread of its kind, will devolve into Cerberus haters and apologists going at each other for a dozen+ pages. The Thresher Maw experiment in particular is a really hazardous topic to bring up.

[Zulu_DFA]

anmiro wrote...

Post any one of Cerberus's known crimes from ME1, ME2 or any of the Books.


Crime: Fed (Survivor) Shepard's entire squad to a Thresher Maw on Akuze, just to observe the results.

EPIC FAIL

Cerberus wasn't "rogue" at that time. Akuze was a secret Alliance project. Adm. Hackett calls it that. Dr. Wayne and his collegues are called "Alliance scientists".

Better luck next time.

[anmiro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Post any one of Cerberus's known crimes from ME1, ME2 or any of the Books.


Crime: Fed (Survivor) Shepard's entire squad to a Thresher Maw on Akuze, just to observe the results.

EPIC FAIL

Cerberus wasn't "rogue" at that time. Akuze was a secret Alliance project. Adm. Hackett calls it that. Dr. Wayne and his collegues are called "Alliance scientists".

Better luck next time.

Cerberus was a apart of the Alliance and Akuze was their operation.

Point to where I call Cerberus "Rogue" and you win a cookie.

[Hex of Hell]

anmiro wrote...

But people need to remember that  "The Illusive Man" is nothing more than the enemy of our enemy and when the Reapers have been defeated he will need to be held accountable.

Not necessarily. That really depends on Shepard's personality. I have some Shepards that are so sick of political garbage and red tape, are so disenchanted with the Council for being more concerned with their image than the security of the galaxy, that they feel TIM and Cerberus are the best allies they have. You could take things Cerberus has done and argue that they went to far, or that a particular event was unforgiveable, but the same could be said of the Council. Covering up the existence of the Reapers and passing it off as a simple Saren led get attack that is now over, has the potential to doom the entire galaxy. Were everyone to believe them and carry one as though nothing were wrong, the galaxy could be still sitting there with its eyes closed and its thumbs in its ears going "lalala" when the Reapers came home to harvest. And the fact that they would risk that, rather than look bad or risk their political careers, makes them look far more like the face of evil than Cerberus.

[Niddy']

I like puppies!

[Zulu_DFA]

anmiro wrote...

Cerberus was a apart of the Alliance and Akuze was their operation.

Point to where I call Cerberus "Rogue" and you win a cookie.

So why not call it "the Alliance's crimes"?

That would include all the Cerberus crimes, plus the very creation of Cerberus, plus the crimes Cerberus has no relation to. You'd get a bigger list...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 août 2010 - 11:56 .

[anmiro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Cerberus was a apart of the Alliance and Akuze was their operation.

Point to where I call Cerberus "Rogue" and you win a cookie.

So why not call it "the Alliance's crimes"?

That would include all the Cerberus crimes, plus the very creation of Cerberus, plus the crimes Cerberus has no relation to. You'd get a bigger list...

You could argue that the Alliance is just as much to blame for Akuze as Cerberus. But the Alliance isn't responsible for every crime Cerberus committed after the Alliance kicked them out on their asses.

[Zulu_DFA]

anmiro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Cerberus was a apart of the Alliance and Akuze was their operation.

Point to where I call Cerberus "Rogue" and you win a cookie.

So why not call it "the Alliance's crimes"?

That would include all the Cerberus crimes, plus the very creation of Cerberus, plus the crimes Cerberus has no relation to. You'd get a bigger list...

You could argue that the Alliance is just as much to blame for Akuze as Cerberus. But the Alliance isn't responsible for every crime Cerberus committed after the Alliance kicked them out on their asses.

And when exactly was that?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 août 2010 - 12:26 .

[ExtremeOne]

anmiro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Cerberus was a apart of the Alliance and Akuze was their operation.

Point to where I call Cerberus "Rogue" and you win a cookie.

So why not call it "the Alliance's crimes"?

That would include all the Cerberus crimes, plus the very creation of Cerberus, plus the crimes Cerberus has no relation to. You'd get a bigger list...

You could argue that the Alliance is just as much to blame for Akuze as Cerberus. But the Alliance isn't responsible for every crime Cerberus committed after the Alliance kicked them out on their asses.

  


Oh the hell they are because as the story goes Cerberus was once part of the alliance so in fact the alliance has committed those crimes as well. its high time you and the rest of the alliance fans wake up and start dealing with the fact Cerberus did nothing wrong in ME 1 because they were part of the alliance. Its only you die hard ME 1 fans that keep this stupid myth going about Cerberus being evil 

[Zulu_DFA]

ExtremeOne wrote...
Its only you die hard ME 1 fans that keep this stupid myth going about Cerberus being evil 

No-no-no-no-no. I, for one, am a die hard ME1 fan, and I don't think Cerberus is evil. There is no correlation.

[Ramgigon]

 They rebuilt my Shepard 23 pounds heavier than she was when she died. 

[Halo Quea]

ExtremeOne wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Cerberus was a apart of the Alliance and Akuze was their operation.

Point to where I call Cerberus "Rogue" and you win a cookie.

So why not call it "the Alliance's crimes"?

That would include all the Cerberus crimes, plus the very creation of Cerberus, plus the crimes Cerberus has no relation to. You'd get a bigger list...

You could argue that the Alliance is just as much to blame for Akuze as Cerberus. But the Alliance isn't responsible for every crime Cerberus committed after the Alliance kicked them out on their asses.

  


Oh the hell they are because as the story goes Cerberus was once part of the alliance so in fact the alliance has committed those crimes as well. its high time you and the rest of the alliance fans wake up and start dealing with the fact Cerberus did nothing wrong in ME 1 because they were part of the alliance. Its only you die hard ME 1 fans that keep this stupid myth going about Cerberus being evil 

Really?  Have you read Retribution yet?   Because that book was a game changer for me on my outlook on Cerberus and TIM.    

[ExtremeOne]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
Its only you die hard ME 1 fans that keep this stupid myth going about Cerberus being evil 

No-no-no-no-no. I, for one, am a die hard ME1 fan, and I don't think Cerberus is evil. There is no correlation.

  

then you are the first to say that thank you for clearing that up 

[Sajuro]

Ramgigon wrote...

 They rebuilt my Shepard 23 pounds heavier than she was when she died. 

Though she still is less than Miranda's fat ass, as for a crime of Cerberus... hmmm the Teltin facility does prove to be horrific. They killed Alliance Marines (Treason?) Killed an rear admiral of the Alliance, orphanning three children  by that act alone, when he looked into the deaths of his men. It isn't that Kahoku went to them, they freaking abducted him and took them to their facility to kill/torture/run tests on him. Smuggled Thorian Creepers, husks (both of which could be classified as bioweapons), and Rachni (an endangered species especially if you killed the queen) between planets and systems.
Cerberus also deliberately destroyed a settlement on Chasca by turning the colonial pioneer team there into Husks.
There is also some indication that Cerberus protects its bases from being found by hacking the Alliance database. (Treason?)
Turning a little girl into a weapon (Gillian Grayson)
3 counts of murder by Kai Leng
TIM's outfit is a crime against fashion

[ExtremeOne]

[quote]Halo Quea wrote...

[quote]ExtremeOne wrote...

[quote]anmiro wrote...

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

[quote]anmiro wrote...

Cerberus was a apart of the Alliance and Akuze was their operation.

Point to where I call Cerberus "Rogue" and you win a cookie.
[/quote]

So why not call it "the Alliance's crimes"?

That would include all the Cerberus crimes, plus the very creation of Cerberus, plus the crimes Cerberus has no relation to. You'd get a bigger list...[/quote]

You could argue that the Alliance is just as much to blame for Akuze as Cerberus. But the Alliance isn't responsible for every crime Cerberus committed after the Alliance kicked them out on their asses.
[/quote]   


Oh the hell they are because as the story goes Cerberus was once part of the alliance so in fact the alliance has committed those crimes as well. its high time you and the rest of the alliance fans wake up and start dealing with the fact Cerberus did nothing wrong in ME 1 because they were part of the alliance. Its only you die hard ME 1 fans that keep this stupid myth going about Cerberus being evil 
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Really?  Have you read Retribution yet?   Because that book was a game changer for me on my outlook on Cerberus and TIM.    

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No but then again I am not interested in the books 

[mosor]

Halo Quea wrote...

Really?  Have you read Retribution yet?   Because that book was a game changer for me on my outlook on Cerberus and TIM.    

Nothing written in Retribution is a game changer. If your opinion of cerberus was negative, it would stay negative. If it was positive, would stay positive. Personally, I don't even understand the outrage. They experimented on a man they were planning on executing anyway. The ramapage was the turians fault for not taking better precautions regarding grayson. It was obvious something was seriously screwed up about him. Turians even noted it. However, did they take even simple quarantine procedures...nope.

Seriously, they way people talk about Cerberus' crimes in Retrebution, you'd think they implanted that device in a todler, and sent that todler lose to get some lulz from the rampage instead of a drug addict who betrayed them.

Modifié par mosor, 31 août 2010 - 02:31 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

Chasca

Not Guilty!

[Dean_the_Young]

If I couldn't stand working with war criminal nationalists, murderers, traitors, self-appointed vigilantes, and thieves, I wouldn't have collected half my crew for ME2.

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Chasca

Not Guilty!

Ambiguous!   At best!

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Chasca

Not Guilty!

It brings me a certain amount of joy that this is the only charge you refuted.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Chasca

Not Guilty!

It brings me a certain amount of joy that this is the only charge you refuted.

OMG!!! !!!!!CERBERUS ABDUCTS KITTEHS!!!!!!

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Chasca

Not Guilty!

It brings me a certain amount of joy that this is the only charge you refuted.

OMG!!! !!!!!CERBERUS ABDUCTS KITTEHS!!!!!!

gah! cute pictures... must resist kittens >.< gah, damn it Zulu!

[mosor]

Sajuro wrote...

 Smuggled Thorian Creepers, husks (both of which could be classified as bioweapons), and Rachni (an endangered species especially if you killed the queen) between planets and systems.
Cerberus also deliberately destroyed a settlement on Chasca by turning the colonial pioneer team there into Husks.
There is also some indication that Cerberus protects its bases from being found by hacking the Alliance database. (Treason?)
Turning a little girl into a weapon (Gillian Grayson)
3 counts of murder by Kai Leng
TIM's outfit is a crime against fashion

1. A bioweapon is using disease, virus, or diease causing biological agents and toxins. Husks and rachni do not fit that criteria. By your definition, a dog would be a bioweapon!

As for Rachni, whats the big deal? Didn't the queen herself say to destroy her children because they were crazied? Whats a little experimentation compared to that?

[ExtremeOne]

I find it funny how people buy into the alliance and Council's bullsh*t in ME 1. the council does not give a dam about Shepard they only are pissed because he was brought back by Cerberus.