I'd be a Jedi.
gotthammer wrote...
How about a compromise, then: no handheld guns (muskets/pistols)...but give us tanks! *dreams of Kirkwall's panzer divisions (w/ mechanized infantry elements!) breaking through the defensive lines of the Fren...err...Orlais with CAS courtesy of dive-bombing Griffons*
If you still can't stomach steam/lyrium/naquadah/unobtanium-powered vehicles of fun (aka tanks), then how about up-armored Golems w/ mounted cannons? That works for me, too.
Modifié par Tokion, 02 septembre 2010 - 02:00 .
Assuming the technological status of Thedas in DAO resembles that of 13th or 14th century Europe, a more fitting comparison might be to take a 13th century Templar knight and drop him in the middle of the Seven Years' War.shootist70 wrote...
Probably, but not necessarily. A Greek hoplite wouldn't feel out of place in a Saxon shield-wall, just as a Roman centurion wouldn't feel out of place on a 13th century battlefield, and you could stick over a thousand years between each of those.
Modifié par Mabjestic, 02 septembre 2010 - 03:54 .
Vandicus wrote...
Miniaturizing technology is much harder to do than you imagine. Think of it this way, its like asking for people to build a laptop in 1960, after all, its just a scaled down model of a computer.
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Mabjestic wrote...
Assuming the technological status of Thedas in DAO resembles that of 13th or 14th century Europe, a more fitting comparison might be to take a 13th century Templar knight and drop him in the middle of the Seven Years' War.
Beside that, I doubt the centurion you mentioned would be much at home with early Byzantine flamethrowers spraying greek fire, or later weapons such as longbows or trebuchets. Had he survived the battle, taking him to the nearest city would certainly have had him feeling far from home. Cannons and firearms came to Europe shortly after in the 14th century.
Modifié par shootist70, 02 septembre 2010 - 06:21 .
ashwind wrote...
The bite force of Dragons, High Dragon and Archdemons cannot dent my Arcane Warrior's armor, Guns ignoring my armor? Unless you are using Space Marine Plasma Pistols or Heavy Bolter, I cannot see that happening.
The boulders hurled at my wardens by Golems cannot dent my armor, bullets? Neh.
In short, if a "gun" can do any damage at all to characters in DA - it would be "most unrealistic" - except Space Marine weapons. The Quanari can bring their canon, it would probably be something like my Warden being hit by a hurl + fireball - which again does nothing to my Warden
Modifié par Behindyounow, 02 septembre 2010 - 06:10 .
Why not just make them like other weapons then? Where getting hit makes some of your health go down. I mean, if a giant boulder thrown at you doesn't kill you, then how on Earth are people hurting you with grey iron daggers?
Modifié par ashwind, 02 septembre 2010 - 06:25 .
Mabjestic wrote...
I sure wouldn't like Thedas to be in some technological stasis, so that if we ever get a Dragon Age game set
500 years after the events of DAO, it would feature science just as we left it in the first one.
I hope you actually have the knowledge to back up your implied historical prowess, I'd hate to be snapped at for no reason. I mentioned weapons that, I understand, had a large impact on warfare in their time, I did this to show that there were definite technological improvements in warfare in the period you indicated. Also, a city need not be the cultural or architechtural equal to Rome for one to come across new inventions that were not around in 100 AD. But all of this goes both off-topic and off my earlier comment.shootist70 wrote...
Your average centurion could have been familiar with all of those things, mab, and this is a good example of exactly the point I'm trying to make - guns in medieval based fantasy settings might not jar to people who have little knowledge of history, but to anybody else it's going to be an immersion deal breaker.
Also, just to mention, you won't find any 13th century European city that was more advanced and cosmopolitan than Rome in its prime (other then Constantinople, which was founded by Rome).
Modifié par Mabjestic, 02 septembre 2010 - 10:07 .
IndomitusRex wrote...
Dragon Age is touted as a dark fantasy, and firearms really don't fit into that setting very well. In something like WarCraft, where they've got gyrocopters, steam tanks, and underwater trams that go from continent to continent, firearms fit right in. In the low magic, quasi-Gothic world of Thedas guns just don't make as much sense as a good crossbow to me.
Modifié par Archereon, 02 septembre 2010 - 10:13 .
Mabjestic wrote...
I hope you actually have the knowledge to back up your implied historical prowess, I'd hate to be snapped at for no reason. I mentioned weapons that, I understand, had a large impact on warfare in their time, I did this to show that there were definite technological improvements in warfare in the period you indicated. Also, a city need not be the cultural or architechtural equal to Rome for one to come across new inventions that were not around in 100 AD. But all of this goes both off-topic and off my earlier comment.
As for those points about early weapons, well the longbow has been around as long as bows have. Since prehistoric times, basically. The trebuchet would just be an onager with a counterweight instead of a twisted rope, to a roman. Greek fire i'll let you have, that probably wasn't around until just after the end of the Roman Empire. I'm confusing late Roman and early Byzantine armies, but hell, they're almost the same thing, lol. But as you said, we're going off on a tangent here.More to the point, my comment (quoted above), that you made your argument against, boils down to: "I would like to see technological progress happen over time in Thedas"; the period of time, or level of technological advancement is not really important as long as the world feels alive and developing.
Returning to the actual topic of guns; your original objection to implementing any firearms was that they would require a consequental change in armour. Ignoring magic and other factors unique to Thedas, I think you'd agree that such a change would not occur until the introduction of relatively advanced muskets in a large scale. As cannons and bombs are likely already in the lore, it might be a cool twist, and entirely non-jarring, to see hand cannons utilized to stop the advancing Qunari or darkspawn. In my books something like that would be logical, fun and also pretty unique.
Modifié par shootist70, 02 septembre 2010 - 10:56 .
SerenityRebirth wrote...
I couldn't agree with guns in the game, mainly for the fact that I am a bow lower. Guns would take that away in a heartbeat.
Plus, group wise, I can see mages, and anyone else of ranged fighting becoming absolete. Why? Imagine Beth casting really, great awesome spell. Her arms are circling around, and her head is arched to the heavens. When she finally casts her spell, everything is dead. Hawke, who uses guns, has already moved on to the next horde... Guns = sad mages, bowusers = many sad pandas and unbalanced gameplay.
Plus, I wonder is the guns would have to change gameplay into 3rd person? I smell an archaic Mass Effect coming on....
Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 02 septembre 2010 - 11:24 .
Archereon wrote...
IndomitusRex wrote...
Dragon Age is touted as a dark fantasy, and firearms really don't fit into that setting very well. In something like WarCraft, where they've got gyrocopters, steam tanks, and underwater trams that go from continent to continent, firearms fit right in. In the low magic, quasi-Gothic world of Thedas guns just don't make as much sense as a good crossbow to me.
I don't get how most people don't realize that guns and cannons coexisted with knights in shinning armor and all that middle ages goodness for quite a while. Firearms only began to replace older weapons in the early 1500s near the end of the rennisance.
Selene Moonsong wrote...
not being a fan of any level of tech except in Sci Fi environments.
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3. Ho !
Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 03 septembre 2010 - 01:18 .
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