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[Faceless Minion]

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...
There are those who understand Tsuntsuns and there are those who hate them

Perhaps I should have clarified that, or used different wording.  I actually can quite enjoy tsunderes.  Unfortunately, Morrigan isn't one.  She's just a bizznatch.

[finnugold]

Faceless Minion wrote...

yummysoap wrote...
Her shapeshifting's limited to animals, which may very well be the sort of thing you're into.

That IS a good point, too... and she's normally got her shapeshifting relegated to various forms of spiders.  >.<
So.. if you're really desperate for variety, yay spider-lovings I suppose?

Arachnaphobic hell.

Is bestiality suddenly ok?

[Faceless Minion]

finnugold wrote...
Arachnaphobic hell.
Is bestiality suddenly ok?

Though I certainly can't approve of  the concept in real life or in fantasy - especially with spiders *shudder* - I do wonder why this sort of thing is always wondered about in games where we're able to senselessly murder dozens of people on a whim.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

Faceless Minion wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...
There are those who understand Tsuntsuns and there are those who hate them

Perhaps I should have clarified that, or used different wording.  I actually can quite enjoy tsunderes.  Unfortunately, Morrigan isn't one.  She's just a bizznatch.

Admittly she does not wear a Fuku with Zettai Ryouiki, Morrigan spit some pretty typical type A tsundere lines in later stage of romance.

And if she proceed down the fire tree, she turns into a Shana / Lina Inverse type person of massive destructive potential - which are typically tsuntsuns.  

Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 31 août 2010 - 04:58 .

[ProudNegro]

women should simply b erased of gaming and convert them into inkeepers AND in the best case make them sweep the streetinfront of the inn

[Faceless Minion]

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...
Admittly she does not wear a Fuku with Zettai Ryouiki, Morrigan spit some pretty typical type A tsundere lines in later stage of romance.

That's just it, though.  A tsundere is, at their heart, a vulnerable, multifaceted creature.  They are always predictably angry, yes, but that hides a vulnerable, sweet girl within.

Morrigan is just a quieter, more spiteful hag wrapped within a louder, more destructive hag.  Her idea of opening up with you is asking you to kill her mother.

[finnugold]

Faceless Minion wrote...

finnugold wrote...
Arachnaphobic hell.
Is bestiality suddenly ok?

Though I certainly can't approve of  the concept in real life or in fantasy - especially with spiders *shudder* - I do wonder why this sort of thing is always wondered about in games where we're able to senselessly murder dozens of people on a whim.

Good... point.

Although if there was bestiality in a game I bet Fox News would have a ball with covering the "perversion" and "animal abuse", even if it was actually a shapeshifter.

[Esbatty]

Morrigan can and could indeed hold up her whole own game. I'd be down for the Adventures of Young Morrigan, or a lonewolf and cub style Morrigan and infant romp. It'd be a great exploration of her character and the vast wilds of the Koecari wilderness.



I can already see a cutscene in my head of some dark spawn creatures happening upon a seemingly abandoned infant. The swaddled babe red with tears and frustration as the hellish minions descend upon it as an ichor coated outstretched hand comes ever so close to the baby's face, the child's crying halts and gives way to a giggle. The camera pulls back as a huge spider descends on the darkspawn as the screen goes black...

[Faceless Minion]

http://social.biowar...m/project/1281/



This. This is what I think of this concept.

I may have to upgrade to the PC version from the 360 version specifically FOR this.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

Faceless Minion wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...
Admittly she does not wear a Fuku with Zettai Ryouiki, Morrigan spit some pretty typical type A tsundere lines in later stage of romance.

That's just it, though.  A tsundere is, at their heart, a vulnerable, multifaceted creature.  They are always predictably angry, yes, but that hides a vulnerable, sweet girl within.

Morrigan is just a quieter, more spiteful hag wrapped within a louder, more destructive hag.  Her idea of opening up with you is asking you to kill her mother.

Have you finished the Morrigan's entire romance plot ? I think she never become completely sweet or mellow because her mission did not permit it. She is actually pretty kind to those who show her kindness, but not used to being shown kindness at all. Keep in mind she's raised by the wolves Dragons and doesn't have a good idea what being nice entails.

Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 31 août 2010 - 05:26 .

[Faceless Minion]

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...
Have you finished the Morrigan's entire romance plot ? I think she never become completely sweet or mellow because her mission did not permit it. She is actually pretty kind to those who show her kindness, but not used to being shown kindness at all.

Except for the whole killing her mother thing, and then spawning a godchild so she can kill it and eat it to gain its power.  We wouldn't be playing DLC named Witchhunt if she were just being a happy, kind mother.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

Faceless Minion wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...
Have you finished the Morrigan's entire romance plot ? I think she never become completely sweet or mellow because her mission did not permit it. She is actually pretty kind to those who show her kindness, but not used to being shown kindness at all.

Except for the whole killing her mother thing, and then spawning a godchild so she can kill it and eat it to gain its power.  We wouldn't be playing DLC named Witchhunt if she were just being a happy, kind mother.

We don't know about her plan until we played the DLC through.
Killing her mother was perfectly understandable. if you were raised by something that monstrous, well you would probably kill it too.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

I sense a lot of bigotry in this thread. Shame you anachrophobics! Wait until the MODS hear about this!



But yeah, I think Morrigan can shape shift into other humans. I mean, couldn't her mother do it?

[Esbatty]

In DAO they specifically said animals and not other humans because they already are human.



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Also, I don't think she is going to eat the baby. Its just nice to have power over an old god.

[finnugold]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...
Shame you anachrophobics!

I do, indeed, have a terrible fear of things being out of chronological order. One minute, I'm sitting here typing on the forums, the next.... Victorian England. Not pretty.

To me, the whole "matricide" thing looked like a case of Morrigan doing exactly what Flemeth had taught her to do. Survival of the fittest and all that jazz... not that it wasn't kinda evil on both their parts.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

Kenshin - Morrigan said she can't in a conversation if you asked her that question.

Of course nothing says she couldn't do it with a bit research.

[Oblivious]

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Actually, some people are pretty fond of Tsunderes. At least they are often more capable then almost everyone else ...

I agree with this fellow. Tsunderes are practically guarunteed to be among the most powerful characters and thats the reason I like them:wizard:Survival of the fittest and the fittest make the most badass babies.

TBH I love Morrigan but an actual game over her? Nah, either people will choose responses she wouldn't use or it removes the mystery surrounding her. I prefer her to have either a major role or DLC's

[Faceless Minion]

finnugold wrote...
I do, indeed, have a terrible fear of things being out of chronological order. One minute, I'm sitting here typing on the forums, the next.... Victorian England. Not pretty.

Dear sir or madam, regardless of whatever happens in the rest of this thread, I salute you.
I do believe that you have, in your words, won yourself one free internet. 

Expect it to be shipped to your residence forthwith.

Sincerely,
Faceless Minion

[Oblivious]

Faceless Minion wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...
Admittly she does not wear a Fuku with Zettai Ryouiki, Morrigan spit some pretty typical type A tsundere lines in later stage of romance.

That's just it, though.  A tsundere is, at their heart, a vulnerable, multifaceted creature.  They are always predictably angry, yes, but that hides a vulnerable, sweet girl within.

Morrigan is just a quieter, more spiteful hag wrapped within a louder, more destructive hag.  Her idea of opening up with you is asking you to kill her mother.

Complete all your dialogue with her or take her into the Circle Tower. You can see in the Fade that she has been severely abused and tormented by her mother from childhood. At least explore all of the dialogue options, She is in truth a very vulnerable, very sweet girl who has been corrupted from having an abusive abomination as a mother and living by herself in the most lethal location in all of Ferelden.

[Faceless Minion]

Oblivious wrote...
Complete all your dialogue with her or take her into the Circle Tower. You can see in the Fade that she has been severely abused and tormented by her mother from childhood. At least explore all of the dialogue options, She is in truth a very vulnerable, very sweet girl who has been corrupted from having an abusive abomination as a mother and living by herself in the most lethal location in all of Ferelden.

Eh.  "I was abused as a child" is up there with "I was raped as a child" and "my parents are dead" as excuses to turn characters brittle.  And though Bioware is normally wonderful with using basic tropes and making them work, it just doesn't seem to jibe with her.  If it does for you, then I'm happy for you... To me, it just fell quite horribly flat, and didn't add anything to the character that didn't seem false and tacked-on.

[TheMadCat]

Apparently the devs feel she warrants a short little DLC at most.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

What DA need is a Dating Sim set in alternative timeline where the Warden's party attend Ferelden Acadamy. In that timeline, Duncan is the president of Student council, Leliana is the mysterious exchange student, and Morrigan is the resident Tsundere.

The Warden:  I will always protect you.
Morrigan: I... you should not be so... you have no idea what might happen in the days to come, to make such promises...

Well, that might work slightly better then a scrolling shooter controlling Morrigan in dragon form.

Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 31 août 2010 - 06:00 .

[Faceless Minion]

TheMadCat wrote...
Apparently the devs feel she warrants a short little DLC at most.

A short little DLC where we abort her oldgodbaby will be lovely, yes.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

But the Old god was the most powerful weapon illegal mages have against the chantry. Wouldn't it play some big role in the next game ?

[Esbatty]

If the little barely educated mage kid in Redcliffe possessed by a desire demon can command an army of the undead that holds down a village and a formerly well defended castle, imagine what 10 year old Flesh Bound Old God under Morrigan's tutleage can do in DA2.

Modifié par Esbatty, 31 août 2010 - 06:14 .