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 This post will remain an open forum for about 5 minutes until I am censored. Here is my complaint. Mass Effect would be a GREAT Co-Op game (not sure about Multi-player) Just having your friends play as Shepard's Crew would be cool (with extra achievements and unlocks as incentives). This would, just like it is in **ALL OTHER GAMES**, be optional. O-P-T-I-O-N-A-L, what perplexes me is how this community  tries to silence those who wish to have that option, as if they bought me the game.

If you don't like the idea of co-op, don't choose that option, but DICTATING whether others can choose to, is barbaric.  Co-op would be SIMPLE to program in (and reports show it may well be on the way). I loved ME1 and ME2, but games without Co-op or Multiplayer are like Toilet paper, once it is used, it over.

Now Mass Effect certainly is a BIT of an Exception to that rule. But Multiplayer Co-OP games are played for YEARS, single player games you beat and are ready for the next one. I get so sick of the constant "NO" or "I'll Boycott the game". When I read all those comments, it makes me want to leave the entire community, and give up on future Mass Effect games. (Why bother, if my opinion does not matter?) I mean what would possess a person to ORDER that others can not play Co-OP simply because they don't like it themselves?

 The bottom line is games aren't designed for YOU, thay are designed for EVERYONE, and something as simple as adding Co-OP with Shepard's Crew, just makes since in the year 2010. I personally HATE gaming by myself despite how good ME 1&2 are.Who do I share this with? seeings how I am a SOCIAL person.

And you can be social and play single player of course, but telling others they CAN'T play Co-OP or that you would boycott the game because it had that option, well, behavior doesn't get much more antisocial than that. Can't wait to get flamed for my opinion, seems thats all these forums are about, how everyone elses intellect is far more superior to those who think outside of the box Mass Effect was presented in. 

Modifié par Yisrael-Shepard, 31 août 2010 - 11:12 .


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Katamariguy

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Thank you for your rant. Indeed, co-op would be the best thing to ever happen to the series.

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Coop doesn't even fit the game in my opinion:) This is not Call of Duty MW2.

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I respect your opinion but having your friends play as the Normandy crew would be awkward.



I love Mass Effect series aswell but I think it's best to keep the game single player. If you enjoy co-ops I'm sure there are plenty of games out there for you to play with your friends.



Being a social person is good and all but... for social gaming experiences thre are MMO's, Multiplayer, RTS... I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear enough so I will give you an example:

A person who likes bacon and bananas and wants a bacon tasting banana. Some people might like the idea, but in the end, that thing you are eating is not bacon or banana.



Hm yeah.

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Tear down this wall, Gorbachev!

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I disagree. I think co-op would be fun, but it would compromise the integrity of the game. Maybe if a select few missions were available to play, disconnected from any single-player career you might have, but if it were made a serious option for playing through the game, it would ruin it.

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How would Thane, Samara and Kasumi loyalty missions work in co-op? How would you handle all the lengthy dialogues? The renegate and paragon choices? The time you spend on Normandy? This game is designed for solo gameplay. Shooting takes maybe half of the total gameplay time, everything else is handled by single person, while their team idles in the background. Converting it into co-op title would be absolutely impossible without extensive rewrite, that would effectively cheapen the experience and replay value. There's great many co-op titles out there, just stick to one of them instead.

Modifié par pjotroos, 31 août 2010 - 08:32 .


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Being able to play with friends is always fun, but it just doesn't seem to work in this sort of environment. In games such as NWN2, the multiplayer and role-playing aspects worked well, but that due to the open world and extremely large amount of content.
In the case of Mass Effect, the levels are linear, and the thing that really sets it apart is story, and character interaction. Neither of those things would work particularly well in the context of ME, and the co-op aspect would simply be another mediocre shooter. While I agree, while it wouldn't hurt anyone else, being optional and all, I just feel that the results would not be worth the effort.
Co-op is an interesting idea, but it only works on either end of the scale - non-interactive games like CoD and Halo, or totally open and massive worlds - MMORPGs, basically, or on a smaller scale, NWN2.
Mass Effect sits in the unique area where it isn't focused enough on the shooter aspects to provide a solid mode in itself, and yet isn't vast or open ended enough to create an interesting scenario for two players.
As for just playing the single player game with two people, can you imagine how irritating that would get? One person wanting to hang around on the Normandy for ages with the other wanting to leave, the almost constant cutscenes, and could you even imagine trying to use the dialogue wheel?

While co-op is certainly an enjoyable premise, it just can't work in a game totally focused on the player, or a game in which the story drives everything.

Also, concerning the violent opposition you've encountered before, it's not that we don't like the idea. It's a great one, but it just doesn't fit into the series Bioware's created, and many of us believe that the time and effort needed to create a co-op aspect, and, more importantly, to make it work, could be much better spent refining the core game.

As a side note, The Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, tried a similar approach, forcing co-op into a game that didn't complement it whatsoever. Suffice to say, the mode was unentertaining, in the least.

If you're really desperate to play a good co-op game, there are plenty of alternatives out there right now; games in which co-op adds to the player experience rather than detracting from it. Games such as Halo, CoD and even potentially Fable 3, are all fun for multiplayer. 

Modifié par Keithhy, 31 août 2010 - 08:37 .


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scottelite

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How about no.

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Not everything has to be co-op/multiplayer.

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With a very immersive story such as Mass Effect's, CO-OP gameplay would be incredibly dull. With a TOR-esque story structure it could be done, but the current one doesn't support it.

I don't mind playing Synergy (HL2 co-op) with friends, because I feel as much attachment to the The Greatest Hero of All Time™ as a lump of coal, but to Commander Shepard in the other hand...

Modifié par Khayness, 31 août 2010 - 08:41 .


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When I saw the thread title, all I could think of is this image.



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basically you want to turn mass effect into halo 3?

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 31 août 2010 - 09:48 .


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I'm no fan of co-op in ME .ME is at it's best with single player mode

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The ME series is a single player action RPG, what's so hard to understand about that? Want a pure shooter, go play one of the countless pure shooters. Want multiplayer, go play one of the countless games that offer it. Not every game has to be the same, you know.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 31 août 2010 - 09:54 .


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The single-player is about Shepard, played by you, interacting with the NPC companions who all have a certain background and a role to play in the narrative.
Co-op in the campaign doesn't fit with that.

It would be interesting to see a multiplayer option, where you play as someone else than Shepard, but I wouldn't be interested in just a TPS stacked up with the campaign.
ME is still about storyline through and through for me, so they'd have to put that into the multiplayer as well somehow before I'd be interested.

Modifié par Eledran, 31 août 2010 - 10:26 .


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everyone can say no to co-op but we all know its coming, me i can't wait, as long it doesn't affect the single player then i am happy.

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I really getting damned tired of people wanting every game to be multiplayer. Not everything has to be multiplayer. Not every game works as a multiplayer experience. I don't Bioware comprising the structure of the game for people that want everything to be f'n FPS. If you want RPG Shooter with multiplayer, Borderlands has been available for quite some time and since the game was designed to be multiplayer it will actually work. Also just say no to the wall of text.

@Weedlink

It will take away from the core experience of game. Resources that could be used on the core game experience will be focused on a multiplayer mode that the bulk the fan base could care less about. It will be Metroid Prime 2: Echoes all over again. Trying to be all things to all people leads to mediocrity.

Modifié par Darc_Requiem, 31 août 2010 - 11:13 .


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[quote]Darc_Requiem wrote...

I really getting damned tired of people wanting every game to be multiplayer. Not everything has to be multiplayer. Not every game works as a multiplayer experience. I don't Bioware comprising the structure of the game for people that want everything to be f'n FPS. If you want RPG Shooter with multiplayer, Borderlands has been available for quite some time and since the game was designed to be multiplayer it will actually work. Also just say no to the wall of text.

Do you understand the definition of O P T I O N A L? It seems to be a lost word in the english language, I hope this helps everyone out:

optional
Adj.1.optional - possible but not necessary; left to personal choice
adjective
 voluntaryopendiscretionarypossibleextraelective, up to the individual, noncompulsory Some people feel sex education should remain an optional school subject.

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bjdbwea wrote...

The ME series is a single player action RPG, what's so hard to understand about that? Want a pure shooter, go play one of the countless pure shooters. Want multiplayer, go play one of the countless games that offer it. Not every game has to be the same, you know.


Do you understand the definition of O P T I O N A L? It seems to be a lost word in the english language, I hope this helps everyone out:

optional
Adj.1.optional - possible but not necessary; left to personal choice
adjective
 voluntaryopendiscretionarypossibleextraelective, up to the individual, noncompulsory Some people feel sex education should remain an optional school subject.

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Well, what about if there were some missions, that you don't play as Shepard?



You get to be Garrus or Legion. And there isn't a lot of talking. You play together with your friend. For Co-op specific missions.



OR



You get to be 1 of the squad mates. Eg Miranda. You don't need to control shepard and you can not play in the normandy. But you can play when walking around any where else.



You can not select them for their loyalty mission though.

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FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

basically you want to turn mass effect into halo 3?


Do you understand the definition of O P T I O N A L? It seems to be a lost word in the english language, I hope this helps everyone out:

optional
Adj.1.optional - possible but not necessary; left to personal choice
adjective
 voluntaryopendiscretionarypossibleextraelective, up to the individual, noncompulsory Some people feel sex education should remain an optional school subject.

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Sand King wrote...

Not everything has to be co-op/multiplayer.


Do you understand the definition of O P T I O N A L? It seems to be a lost word in the english language, I hope this helps everyone out:

optional
Adj.1.optional - possible but not necessary; left to personal choice
adjective
 voluntaryopendiscretionarypossibleextraelective, up to the individual, noncompulsory Some people feel sex education should remain an optional school subject.

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scottelite wrote...

How about no.



Do you understand the definition of O P T I O N A L? It seems to be a lost word in the english language, I hope this helps everyone out:

optional
Adj.1.optional - possible but not necessary; left to personal choice
adjective
 voluntaryopendiscretionarypossibleextraelective, up to the individual, noncompulsory Some people feel sex education should remain an optional school subject.

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Yisrael-Shepard wrote...

Do you understand the definition of O P T I O N A L?


Yes. But it would not be optional. It would take development time away from the things that are important.