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[PWENER]

This is a pointless topic.



YOU ARE SHEPARD! His/her issues are YOUR issues. He believes what YOU believe. He/she does what YOU want him/her to do. Shepard is not a character, his YOU.



He doesn't need character development. YOU are the development. Did the OP even play the game?

[Vargeisa]

I am Shepard? Guess I missed the 'run and hide and let someone else deal with the reapers' option.



Yeah, I can make up all sort of background stories and psychological issues for my Shep. but I can also do that for that little yellow fellow when I play Pacman.

[KainrycKarr]

Shepard is completely different depending on who is playing; this makes it extremely difficult to create a clear path of character development.



In my games, I AM Shepard. And i'd like to keep it that way. I don't Bioware to develop him for me.

[KainrycKarr]

TimtheEnchanter wrote...

I am Shepard? Guess I missed the 'run and hide and let someone else deal with the reapers' option.

Yeah, I can make up all sort of background stories and psychological issues for my Shep. but I can also do that for that little yellow fellow when I play Pacman.

He says what you want him to say. kills who you want him to kill. saves who you want to save, etc.

This changes depending on the player. If Bioware gave Shepard a clear line of character development, it would separate players from Shepard any more, and i don't know about you, but i don't want that. I like the way it is.

[Vargeisa]

Guess I see the game more as an interactive movie. It wouldn't bother me if it was a certain type of character I took control over, instead of a blank one where all you can choose is to be nice or not so nice anyway.
I can watch Scarface and sympathise with, and look at the world through Tony Montana's eyes. Same as I would with a certain type of Shepard.

But just a different way of approaching the game I guess. For me it's a interactive movie, for others an rpg.

Modifié par TimtheEnchanter, 02 septembre 2010 - 01:47 .

[Nightwriter]

Shepard is kind of boring (to me).

Since you're allowed to define your character, the game can't really know anything distinctive about you, which means your character has to be written as undistinctive most of the time.

Blank. Flat. Uninteresting. I feel vaguely that voice acting has something to do with it, but I have no idea what.

[Pocketgb]

Where's Sylvius when you need 'em?

[PWENER]

Nightwriter wrote...

Shepard is kind of boring (to me).

Since you're allowed to define your character, the game can't really know anything distinctive about you, which means your character has to be written as undistinctive most of the time.

Blank. Flat. Uninteresting. I feel vaguely that voice acting has something to do with it, but I have no idea what.

WOW. I feel completaly opposite to this.

Shepard in cutscenes and in diolog choices he shows to be a very sarcastic and humorous person.

In your next playthrough, pay attention to Shepard's diolog. He's the greatest video game character in digital history.

BTW...

Ah yes, Nightwriter.



We have dismissed those claims.

[SithLordExarKun]

PWENER wrote...

This is a pointless topic.

YOU ARE SHEPARD! His/her issues are YOUR issues. He believes what YOU believe. He/she does what YOU want him/her to do. Shepard is not a character, his YOU.

He doesn't need character development. YOU are the development. Did the OP even play the game?

Obviously i did sir genius. How exactly are we the "development" when Shepard isn't exactly our character? As the dev's stated, Shepard isn't OUR character unlike the warden where we nearly have full control over, he/she is simply a third party character we happen to control and choose what to say.

Shepard has no issues, Shepard doesn't believe in what we believe, he/she only does what we control him/her to say.

Do you ever notice its always your squadmates asking you for your help and almost nobody asking about YOUR issues and how you're holding up?(Only Jacob does that to FemShepard), Theres little development for Shepard. Tali, Liara and Garrus all showed changed in character(Tali matured, Liara became a **** because of what occured in Redemption and Garrus became brutal due to Omega) but as for Shepard(who got killed and then brought back by an extremist group) was totally a-ok with it and acted like he/she didn't give a damn even if you wanted Shepard to.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 02 septembre 2010 - 02:52 .

[PWENER]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

PWENER wrote...

This is a pointless topic.

YOU ARE SHEPARD! His/her issues are YOUR issues. He believes what YOU believe. He/she does what YOU want him/her to do. Shepard is not a character, his YOU.

He doesn't need character development. YOU are the development. Did the OP even play the game?

Obviously i did sir genius. How exactly are we the "development" when Shepard isn't exactly our character? As the dev's stated, Shepard isn't OUR character unlike the warden where we nearly have full control over, he/she is simply a third party character we happen to control and choose what to say.

Shepard has no issues, Shepard doesn't believe in what we believe, he/she only does what we control him/her to say.

Right, so mine getting mad and telling Joker that he is pissed he lost 2 years of his life isn't a personal issue (of course not). Mine giving the collector base to Cerberus because I want human dominance doesn't mean he wants it (he just did it because of no reason). Me making my Shepard make jokes doesn't mean I have a comical personality.

Dude, Im studying psycology in collegue. I know what Im talking about "sir genius". Get your head straight and make sure you know what your talking about before posting these baseless theories.

[Pacifien]

PWENER wrote...
Dude, Im studying psycology in collegue. I know what Im talking about "sir genius". Get your head straight and make sure you know what your talking about before posting these baseless theories.

I also studied psychology in college. Not only did I know how to spell both, but I also was well aware that it was a very popular major in college because it was a reasonably easy curriculum and an easy degree to obtain.

[PWENER]

Pacifien wrote...

PWENER wrote...
Dude, Im studying psycology in collegue. I know what Im talking about "sir genius". Get your head straight and make sure you know what your talking about before posting these baseless theories.

I also studied psychology in college. Not only did I know how to spell both, but I also was well aware that it was a very popular major in college because it was a reasonably easy curriculum and an easy degree to obtain.

Ooooh, I forgot the "H", Im an idiot. Why is everyone always against me? and what does that post have to do with this topic?

[dreman9999]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

PWENER wrote...

This is a pointless topic.

YOU ARE SHEPARD! His/her issues are YOUR issues. He believes what YOU believe. He/she does what YOU want him/her to do. Shepard is not a character, his YOU.

He doesn't need character development. YOU are the development. Did the OP even play the game?

Obviously i did sir genius. How exactly are we the "development" when Shepard isn't exactly our character? As the dev's stated, Shepard isn't OUR character unlike the warden where we nearly have full control over, he/she is simply a third party character we happen to control and choose what to say.

Shepard has no issues, Shepard doesn't believe in what we believe, he/she only does what we control him/her to say.

Do you ever notice its always your squadmates asking you for your help and almost nobody asking about YOUR issues and how you're holding up?(Only Jacob does that to FemShepard), Theres little development for Shepard. Tali, Liara and Garrus all showed changed in character(Tali matured, Liara became a **** because of what occured in Redemption and Garrus became brutal due to Omega) but as for Shepard(who got killed and then brought back by an extremist group) was totally a-ok with it and acted like he/she didn't give a damn even if you wanted Shepard to.

Shepard is NOT third party character. If you treat him/her like one then their is no development. Stop treating your Shepards as one and you'll have no problem.

[GlobalStrike]

I have to admit, i've been thinking about this very topic recently. What i'd like to see is extensions of the backround assignments in me3, like say, if you completed the colonist assignment by helping talitha, you could meet her again and she would tell you some things she remembers about the attack. Maybe some thing around the lines of how the leader of the assault got away and is still at large, attacking other colonies, and you could go deal with him. Personally, i like that idea, and not just because it's my own.

[SithLordExarKun]

PWENER wrote...



Right, so mine getting mad and telling Joker that he is pissed he lost 2 years of his life isn't a personal issue (of course not).

A major issue that Shepard apparantly has no issue with and then happily places it behind him/her like it never happened. An incident on omega drastically changed Garrus, yet this issue did absolutely nothing to Shepard. Of course its a personal issue! How can i be so stupid to not see this?

PWENER wrote...
Mine giving the collector base to Cerberus because I want human dominance doesn't mean he wants it

You did, not Shepard.

PWENER wrote...
Dude, Im studying psycology in collegue. I know what Im talking about "sir genius". Get your head straight and make sure you know what your talking about before posting these baseless theories.

Ah yes, then you're simply way too smart to comprehend and understand anything that someone tells you, because you supposedly study psychology so therefore what ever you say = the universal truth. Damn how could i have missed that out?

The funny thing is that your genius intellect allows you to see the drastic change in Tali's/Garrus character, yet you don't find it odd that the lazarus incident does absolutely nothing to Shepards personality? The funny thing is that stating that Garrus and Tali had a change in character, therefore means i am making baseless theories? Wow you're really damn smart and i feel so inferior to you.

[SithLordExarKun]

dreman9999 wrote...

Shepard is NOT third party character. If you treat him/her like one then their is no development. Stop treating your Shepards as one and you'll have no problem.

I've treated characters like Old snake, Nathan Drake, Niko Bellic, Ethan Mars as third party(well DUH they are!) yet i still find incredible character development within them. Do you get my point? Just because a character is third party, doesn't mean it eliminates the option for character development, trying to fool yourself .. is pretty much futile.

Shepard has essentially ZERO development, example : I can be a paragon in ME1, yet if i still progressed as a paragon in ME2, theres still zero development. Why would shepard logically be a nice noble person despite the brutalities he/she faced at the beginning of ME2? Why would he/she be nice to the council whom shoved the reapers existance at his/her face? So i picked the renegade route and things play out differently, but the character development is still lacking.

Nobody cared about his/her issues(except jacob asking ONE time if you,re female), nobody asked if he/she was doing fine and practically nobody gave a **** about the commander yet he/she is completely fine with being a lapdog for cerberus , boy toy for TIM, previous LI telling him/her to get lost and liara being a dick.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 02 septembre 2010 - 04:27 .

[PWENER]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

PWENER wrote...



Right, so mine getting mad and telling Joker that he is pissed he lost 2 years of his life isn't a personal issue (of course not).

A major issue that Shepard apparantly has no issue with and then happily places it behind him/her like it never happened. An incident on omega drastically changed Garrus, yet this issue did absolutely nothing to Shepard. Of course its a personal issue! How can i be so stupid to not see this?

PWENER wrote...
Mine giving the collector base to Cerberus because I want human dominance doesn't mean he wants it

You did, not Shepard.

PWENER wrote...
Dude, Im studying psycology in collegue. I know what Im talking about "sir genius". Get your head straight and make sure you know what your talking about before posting these baseless theories.

Ah yes, then you're simply way too smart to comprehend and understand anything that someone tells you, because you supposedly study psychology so therefore what ever you say = the universal truth. Damn how could i have missed that out?

The funny thing is that your genius intellect allows you to see the drastic change in Tali's/Garrus character, yet you don't find it odd that the lazarus incident does absolutely nothing to Shepards personality? The funny thing is that stating that Garrus and Tali had a change in character, therefore means i am making baseless theories? Wow you're really damn smart and i feel so inferior to you.

1. Yeah, I see my Shepard willingly give the base to Cerberus, but it wasn't him? You are so smart.

2. Dr. Chakwas explains why Shepard's personality doesn't change even after going through such trauma. This is a mistake, since Shepard's personality does change in the treansition between ME1 to ME2 (I won't explain it, find that out yourself, since you seem too hard headed to listen to anything I would say).

3. Why would Garrus's personality shift effect Shepard at all? They're two different people, what the hell are you talking about? You really make no sense with that statement.

4. I never said Im a genius by stating Im studying psychology. All I said is that I know a thing or two about personalities and the mind.

5. I am a genius though.



Please don't say I said things I didn't say (even if I am), that's just sloppy quoting and statement making.

[Pocketgb]

PWENER wrote...
Why is everyone always against me?

Tone.

[PWENER]

Pocketgb wrote...

PWENER wrote...
Why is everyone always against me?

Tone.

WHAT!? YOU SUCK!

lol

[Nightwriter]

PWENER wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Shepard is kind of boring (to me).

Since you're allowed to define your character, the game can't really know anything distinctive about you, which means your character has to be written as undistinctive most of the time.

Blank. Flat. Uninteresting. I feel vaguely that voice acting has something to do with it, but I have no idea what.

WOW. I feel completaly opposite to this.

Shepard in cutscenes and in diolog choices he shows to be a very sarcastic and humorous person.

In your next playthrough, pay attention to Shepard's diolog. He's the greatest video game character in digital history.

BTW...

Ah yes, Nightwriter.



We have dismissed those claims.

You are so ODing on that animation tonight!

Anyway, give me some lines that demonstrate Shepard's awesomeness. I'd like to be convinced to change my viewpoint, since my viewpoint is unpleasant to me.

My problem is that however you define your Shepard, the game world and characters don't really respond, you're just Shepard the Hero. I wish they'd defined more of Shepard's past. His time in Alliance training, for instance. I would've loved a recurring Christopher Lloyd type mentor/crazy scientist character who Shepard used to study under. Shepard's 29, a full-fledged Spectre, commands an entire vessel, and he still calls the guy Professor like he's 17 and in a classroom. The professor never approved of Shepard going all military instead of pursuing science, comically complains about the woe of the decision and often asks if Shepard is happy being a muscle-necked jarhead and if his abs have gained sentience yet. Little characterizations like that make a person. It's late. I ramble.

[PWENER]

Nightwriter wrote...

PWENER wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Shepard is kind of boring (to me).

Since you're allowed to define your character, the game can't really know anything distinctive about you, which means your character has to be written as undistinctive most of the time.

Blank. Flat. Uninteresting. I feel vaguely that voice acting has something to do with it, but I have no idea what.

WOW. I feel completaly opposite to this.

Shepard in cutscenes and in diolog choices he shows to be a very sarcastic and humorous person.

In your next playthrough, pay attention to Shepard's diolog. He's the greatest video game character in digital history.

BTW...

Ah yes, Nightwriter.



We have dismissed those claims.

You are so ODing on that animation tonight!

Anyway, give me some lines that demonstrate Shepard's awesomeness. I'd like to be convinced to change my viewpoint, since my viewpoint is unpleasant to me.

My problem is that however you define your Shepard, the game world and characters don't really respond, you're just Shepard the Hero. I wish they'd defined more of Shepard's past. His time in Alliance training, for instance. I would've loved a recurring Christopher Lloyd type mentor/crazy scientist character who Shepard used to study under. Shepard's 29, a full-fledged Spectre, commands an entire vessel, and he still calls the guy Professor like he's 17 and in a classroom. The professor never approved of Shepard going all military instead of pursuing science, comically complains about the woe of the decision and often asks if Shepard is happy being a muscle-necked jarhead and if his abs have gained sentience yet. Little characterizations like that make a person. It's late. I ramble.

Found it tonight and I love it!

I really don't have a specific thing to point out about Shepard. Mine has MY personality. He doesn,t do anything I wouldn't do under the situations he faces. Just act like Shepard is you, and not how you want Shepard to be, and you'll hit the jackpot really fast.

If your angry at someone, yell at them. If your happy or blissful, react accordingly, and don't do anything you would't do in real life.

That is something that really bugs me about people who play ME. They always accomodate themselves as self rightous heroes instead of actually doing what needs to be done (keeping the collector base & telling TIM to f*ck off).

Modifié par PWENER, 02 septembre 2010 - 04:51 .

[Whatever42]

That's why I think they're going with the single origin with DA2 - so they can create a character with a past. In ME, what is your past? Were you a bad ass, troubled kid who's parents where killed by slavers? Were you a neglected loner spacer kid who lived inside video games and porn sites? Where you a gang leader who ruthless cut down your opposition? We were given the option (however thin) of imagining our past, so they really can't bring it up in any meaningful context. That does make Shepard a bit of a blank slate with a military record.



Sure you can build on him or imagine a past but most of us don't invent a backstory to flesh out our CRPG characters.



I suspect our next ME hero after ME3 will have a single origin and a real backstory.

[PWENER]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

That's why I think they're going with the single origin with DA2 - so they can create a character with a past. In ME, what is your past? Were you a bad ass, troubled kid who's parents where killed by slavers? Were you a neglected loner spacer kid who lived inside video games and porn sites? Where you a gang leader who ruthless cut down your opposition? We were given the option (however thin) of imagining our past, so they really can't bring it up in any meaningful context. That does make Shepard a bit of a blank slate with a military record.

Sure you can build on him or imagine a past but most of us don't invent a backstory to flesh out our CRPG characters.

I suspect our next ME hero after ME3 will have a single origin and a real backstory.

I prefer things like they are, left to the imagination. If BW fills in all the blanks, we're left with everyone's Shepard's being the same, with no differences. I even thought that having canon Earthborn Shepard be in a gang as a teeneger was too much.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Most people are talking clear personality shifts the way the person carries themselves and speaks how they say it for instance in Prince of Persia the main character starts out as rather naive but para in our terms but in two because of all the grief caused by unleashing the sands of time he is darker his stance the way he looks is more aggressive he is less trusting



I think people just want Shepard to be more distrusting walk more aggressively show it in what he/she says that their view point on the world has changed in para it is difficult w/ most comments that come out of his/her mouth at times Shepard if para should be upset over having to work w/ Cerberus more often in conversations you can talk back to a point w/ TIM but you still can't rebel against him or anything to physically show you hate what he's done the problem is Shepard is such a blank slate that people have to project their emotions onto the character rather then the character expressing the most likely feelings players should express at such and such a point in the game the writers when writing a scene can look at emotionally charged ones and say what should our player be feeling or what could they feel in this scene and give better dialogue to express it I think that is what people would like a little more.

[Pocketgb]

Nightwriter wrote...

My problem is that however you define your Shepard, the game world and characters don't really respond, you're just Shepard the Hero. I wish they'd defined more of Shepard's past. His time in Alliance training, for instance. I would've loved a recurring Christopher Lloyd type mentor/crazy scientist character who Shepard used to study under. Shepard's 29, a full-fledged Spectre, commands an entire vessel, and he still calls the guy Professor like he's 17 and in a classroom. The professor never approved of Shepard going all military instead of pursuing science, comically complains about the woe of the decision and often asks if Shepard is happy being a muscle-necked jarhead and if his abs have gained sentience yet. Little characterizations like that make a person. It's late. I ramble.

Role-playing depth is the degree at which you can control your character. In Mass Effect's case I only considered it a 'nudge'. I wasn't steering nor communicating specifically what he should do, I only glanced in the directions I wanted him to go.

This isn't to say I'm not pleased with the end result, and it isn't to say that I think Shepard's boring, but it is to say that you have very little control over him as a character.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 02 septembre 2010 - 04:56 .