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[OmbradelCerberos]

[quote]OmbradelCerberos wrote...

[quote]Saibh wrote...

[quote]OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Still, killing him in front of his daughter was a tad cruel.

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I laugh each and every time.

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Why? Please help me to find some humor in that situation or I will actually feel bad about wanting to become queen badly enough to kill a father in front of his daughter's eyes after he said a very sweet thing. XD
Yes, I feel like I am a bad person.

PS: Why couldn't we have flirted with Bran? He was funny.

Modifié par OmbradelCerberos, 31 août 2010 - 05:36 .

[Saibh]

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Saibh wrote...

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Still, killing him in front of his daughter was a tad cruel.

I laugh each and every time.

Why? Please help me to find some humor in that situation or I will actually feel bad about wanting to become queen badly enough to kill a father in front of his daughter's eyes after he said a very sweet thing. XD
Yes, I feel like I am a bad person.

Because she's an evil skankaho mass of polygons, that's why, and not a real person. If you want me to detail exactly why I hate Anora (and I hate her in a "I love to hate her" sort of way, keep up the good work, BioWare!), I can do that.

Modifié par Saibh, 31 août 2010 - 05:37 .

[Mehow_pwn]

Confed wrote...

Mehow_pwn wrote...
Now this is what I thought you women thought when I was 16 or something... :S 

So. Much. This.

I know right... I still can't belive that some of them do like it lol

Modifié par Mehow_pwn, 31 août 2010 - 05:37 .

[Ciryx]

I never killed Loghain. :x I thought making him into a Warden (and ulitmatly redeeming himself) was the most fitting ending to the whole story.

+ Hardend Alistair and Anora made a good and fitting couple.

[Mondo47]

Saibh wrote...

Not everyone has the same tastes, but I would say, judging by the popularity of Alistair and Zevran, the writing team did their job. If you are stuck with romance options you hate, well, that must really suck. You might like some in DA2, who knows? 

I liked Zev, simply because he was honest about his motivations, and his developing feelings seemed much more maturely handled. And as much as her super-sugary waffling about shoes and dresses was, I really liked the Leliana romance - it brought a little tear to my eye at the end, even. You're right though - it's entirely horses for courses... I mean, I couldn't bring myself to let Alistair slay the Archdemon because as annoying as he was, he became like an overgrown idiot I was somehow responsible for, so I took the bullet for him there and ended up with the sad ending. So the writing obviously affected me somehow, I just found his personality as magnetic as mud.

As for Loghain, that was the absolute highlight of the game for me - carving that cowardly, power-hungry sack of sh*t's head off in front of his daughter... nothing like an object lesson in how to run the country properly before I march to my doom

[Anarya]

leonia42 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Still, killing him in front of his daughter was a tad cruel.

I laugh each and every time.

After Anora betrays me to Ser Cauthrien, oh hell yeah I laugh at that moment.

As for how Alistair loses his mind at the Landsmeet.. while you can pretty much justify it (as Dave did so eloquently), and/or you can also look at as a moment when his character flaw is revealedt. Every character has a flaw, everyone gets pushed to the point where they can't be pushed any more. That's his breaking point. It adds a lot more depth to him.

Yeah, it's a bit of a tantrum, as Anora calls it, but you can't help but feel for the guy at that moment. He's lost everything that was ever important to him, let him get his anger out. Maybe in hindsight he'll look back on it and think it was a rash way to behave, but he'll have to learn from it and maybe it will help him grow later on (and he does mature a great deal over the course of the game, just listen to the speech before the Battle of Denerim if you made him king).

Besides, it's quite ironic that Maric's son gets to kill Loghain, I mean, if Maric were alive at this point he'd probably do it himself after everything Loghain did.

Considering he ends up a wandering drunk if you spare Loghain and don't king him, I'd say his regret is pretty canon.

[AlexXIV]

Dave of Canada wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Heh if I am honest, I liked Alistair up to the point at the landsmeet where he loses sympathy of most people I think. I guess that's what you mean by self-righteous as well. So would be one who actually like him myself to that point, but I never looked at him the same after this. He turned from funny to dumba...

This is off-topic but.. what? He wants to kill Loghain after he betrayed the King, wiped out the Grey Wardens for his own ambition, labeled you and Alistair as criminals, (if human noble) helped orchestrate the destruction of the Couslands, poisoned Arl Eamon (a father figure for Alistair), tried killing you dozens of times over. Maybe it's just me but I don't think that's dumb to want the guy butchered.

Edit: Selling elves (if an elf).

Well your point of view.

My point of view is that Loghain did many things wrong but he admitted it and was ready to make up, even die in battle or whatever. Alistair was just acting like a dumb kid who could not see the advantage of having a general of Loghain's abilitly. What do you think, how many people would not have died just because of the advantage of having Loghain, I mean if it was realistic, not just in a game. And, is it worth that people die just to satisfy one man's revenge? Duncan is dead and I am sure he would rather have Loghain fighting Darkspawn than dying for nothing. Sorry, but I think like a Grey Warden here, like Riordan, like Duncan, but not like Alistair, because at this point it turns out Alsistair has never really been a Grey Warden, he was more like Cailan - dreaming of legends instead of facing facts. Grey Warden's don't care about crimes before they became Grey Wardens, the ritual binds them to the Darkspawn. And at Loghain's age he would go to his calling rather sooner than later afterwards. And maybe he could even learn enough about the Grey Wardens in the rest of his life that made him clear how grave his mistake was. But that's something Alistair wouldn't understand, because he is just a kid.

[the_one_54321]

ImoenBaby wrote...
I can see a young fella asking this, because some young girls and women won't make the first direct move on a guy.  But if you're into replaying DA:O, try a female character and find out. It won't kill you.

How young do you think is young? I'm 26. Where I'm from women making the "first move" is rare at any age. It's a cultural thing.

[Ciryx]

Anarya wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Still, killing him in front of his daughter was a tad cruel.

I laugh each and every time.

After Anora betrays me to Ser Cauthrien, oh hell yeah I laugh at that moment.

As for how Alistair loses his mind at the Landsmeet.. while you can pretty much justify it (as Dave did so eloquently), and/or you can also look at as a moment when his character flaw is revealedt. Every character has a flaw, everyone gets pushed to the point where they can't be pushed any more. That's his breaking point. It adds a lot more depth to him.

Yeah, it's a bit of a tantrum, as Anora calls it, but you can't help but feel for the guy at that moment. He's lost everything that was ever important to him, let him get his anger out. Maybe in hindsight he'll look back on it and think it was a rash way to behave, but he'll have to learn from it and maybe it will help him grow later on (and he does mature a great deal over the course of the game, just listen to the speech before the Battle of Denerim if you made him king).

Besides, it's quite ironic that Maric's son gets to kill Loghain, I mean, if Maric were alive at this point he'd probably do it himself after everything Loghain did.

Considering he ends up a wandering drunk if you spare Loghain and don't king him, I'd say his regret is pretty canon.

Only if u dont harden him!
If hardend he gets killed by Anora.... snap!

[Saibh]

Anarya wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Still, killing him in front of his daughter was a tad cruel.

I laugh each and every time.

After Anora betrays me to Ser Cauthrien, oh hell yeah I laugh at that moment.

As for how Alistair loses his mind at the Landsmeet.. while you can pretty much justify it (as Dave did so eloquently), and/or you can also look at as a moment when his character flaw is revealedt. Every character has a flaw, everyone gets pushed to the point where they can't be pushed any more. That's his breaking point. It adds a lot more depth to him.

Yeah, it's a bit of a tantrum, as Anora calls it, but you can't help but feel for the guy at that moment. He's lost everything that was ever important to him, let him get his anger out. Maybe in hindsight he'll look back on it and think it was a rash way to behave, but he'll have to learn from it and maybe it will help him grow later on (and he does mature a great deal over the course of the game, just listen to the speech before the Battle of Denerim if you made him king).

Besides, it's quite ironic that Maric's son gets to kill Loghain, I mean, if Maric were alive at this point he'd probably do it himself after everything Loghain did.

Considering he ends up a wandering drunk if you spare Loghain and don't king him, I'd say his regret is pretty canon.

Wait, wait.

"Besides, it's quite ironic that Maric's son gets to kill Loghain, I mean, if Maric were alive at this point he'd probably do it himself after everything Loghain did."

Like abandon his son on the field of battle after purposely putting him in a vulnerable position?

Modifié par Saibh, 31 août 2010 - 05:41 .

[oenis]

Melee finishing moves!! Epic stabs in the face, heads flying off, blood squirting everywhere etc. I don't know how people cannot love finishing moves; they are like art in motion! Woo!

[Leonia]

Well if Maric were alive at that point.. things probably would have gone a lot differently regarding the Blight. Maybe that was a bit of a stretch.

Hang on, need another cup of coffee here. Think I am confusing myself now.

Modifié par leonia42, 31 août 2010 - 05:44 .

[AlexXIV]

Saibh wrote...

Anarya wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Still, killing him in front of his daughter was a tad cruel.

I laugh each and every time.

After Anora betrays me to Ser Cauthrien, oh hell yeah I laugh at that moment.

As for how Alistair loses his mind at the Landsmeet.. while you can pretty much justify it (as Dave did so eloquently), and/or you can also look at as a moment when his character flaw is revealedt. Every character has a flaw, everyone gets pushed to the point where they can't be pushed any more. That's his breaking point. It adds a lot more depth to him.

Yeah, it's a bit of a tantrum, as Anora calls it, but you can't help but feel for the guy at that moment. He's lost everything that was ever important to him, let him get his anger out. Maybe in hindsight he'll look back on it and think it was a rash way to behave, but he'll have to learn from it and maybe it will help him grow later on (and he does mature a great deal over the course of the game, just listen to the speech before the Battle of Denerim if you made him king).

Besides, it's quite ironic that Maric's son gets to kill Loghain, I mean, if Maric were alive at this point he'd probably do it himself after everything Loghain did.

Considering he ends up a wandering drunk if you spare Loghain and don't king him, I'd say his regret is pretty canon.

Wait, wait.

"Besides, it's quite ironic that Maric's son gets to kill Loghain, I mean, if Maric were alive at this point he'd probably do it himself after everything Loghain did."

Like abandon his son on the field of battle after purposely putting him in a vulnerable position?

If Maric had been alive, he and Loghain would have won the battle at Ostagar.

[AlexXIV]

Jynthor wrote...

I'm not a woman but as a man I say Alistair is cute.(Am I the only man here who romanced him and liked it?)

So I can see why they like him.

No you are not the only one. My first playthrough I played female Dalish and romanced him, but I regretted it at the landsmeet.

[Yana Montana]

Mehow_pwn wrote...

Yana Montana wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

question? Did any of you women enjoy the male on male romances?

Yeah! Zev is a sweetheart!

Could you be more specific:P

You want to know why I prefer Zevran as a m/m LI? Or why I like his character?
Well, if we take Alistair and Zevran - the elf definitely wins in my books. He is experienced, he is funny and he doesn't shy away from the fact that he likes and enjoys sex. And of course the ability to woo him as a male was a dealbreaker for me.
I dunno, I guess I have a thing for dashing rogue bisexuals. *looks dreamily at Leliana* <3 <3 <3

And here comes my question: why no one mentioned f/f romance yet? Discovering the fact that I can romance Leliana with my FemCousland was such a pleasant surprise! And with all great characters and the lore and DA settings and origins, I think this wonderfully written romance is the main reason I adore this game.

[the_one_54321]

AlexXIV wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Heh if I am honest, I liked Alistair up to the point at the landsmeet where he loses sympathy of most people I think. I guess that's what you mean by self-righteous as well. So would be one who actually like him myself to that point, but I never looked at him the same after this. He turned from funny to dumba...

This is off-topic but.. what? He wants to kill Loghain after he betrayed the King, wiped out the Grey Wardens for his own ambition, labeled you and Alistair as criminals, (if human noble) helped orchestrate the destruction of the Couslands, poisoned Arl Eamon (a father figure for Alistair), tried killing you dozens of times over. Maybe it's just me but I don't think that's dumb to want the guy butchered.

Edit: Selling elves (if an elf).

Well your point of view.

My point of view is that Loghain did many things wrong but he admitted it and was ready to make up, even die in battle or whatever. Alistair was just acting like a dumb kid who could not see the advantage of having a general of Loghain's abilitly. What do you think, how many people would not have died just because of the advantage of having Loghain, I mean if it was realistic, not just in a game. And, is it worth that people die just to satisfy one man's revenge? Duncan is dead and I am sure he would rather have Loghain fighting Darkspawn than dying for nothing. Sorry, but I think like a Grey Warden here, like Riordan, like Duncan, but not like Alistair, because at this point it turns out Alsistair has never really been a Grey Warden, he was more like Cailan - dreaming of legends instead of facing facts. Grey Warden's don't care about crimes before they became Grey Wardens, the ritual binds them to the Darkspawn. And at Loghain's age he would go to his calling rather sooner than later afterwards. And maybe he could even learn enough about the Grey Wardens in the rest of his life that made him clear how grave his mistake was. But that's something Alistair wouldn't understand, because he is just a kid.

Being repentant doesn't always mean you deserve forgiveness. Loghain is a murderer, a traitor, and mentally unstable, especially when you consider he does a complete and very abrupt 180 after only beating him in combat. As a matter of pure prgmatism, I would have prefered to spare him and make him do the ritual and make him die killing the arch-demon, and I still wouldn't consider him redeemed. However, with Alistairs reaction (which is not unreasonable) it no longer holds any practicality at all. Better to side with Alistiar whom you are already familiar with and know you can trust, as opposed to the obviously unstable Loghain.

[Mondo47]

Hey, I did Yana!

[Mehow_pwn]

Yana Montana wrote...

Mehow_pwn wrote...

Yana Montana wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

question? Did any of you women enjoy the male on male romances?

Yeah! Zev is a sweetheart!

Could you be more specific:P

You want to know why I prefer Zevran as a m/m LI? Or why I like his character?
Well, if we take Alistair and Zevran - the elf definitely wins in my books. He is experienced, he is funny and he doesn't shy away from the fact that he likes and enjoys sex. And of course the ability to woo him as a male was a dealbreaker for me.
I dunno, I guess I have a thing for dashing rogue bisexuals. *looks dreamily at Leliana* <3 <3 <3

And here comes my question: why no one mentioned f/f romance yet? Discovering the fact that I can romance Leliana with my FemCousland was such a pleasant surprise! And with all great characters and the lore and DA settings and origins, I think this wonderfully written romance is the main reason I adore this game.

Thank you!

[Leonia]

If Maric had been alive, he and Loghain would have won the battle at Ostagar.

That's debatable but it's a possibility. He probably wouldn't have put either Cailan or Alistair in danger so if he did end up dieing there were two back-up heirs. And would Loghain have been so willing to retreat if it had been Maric on the field instead of Cailan?

But since that's not how the story goes, it's just speculation.

Modifié par leonia42, 31 août 2010 - 05:50 .

[Patriciachr34]

I really enjoy Dragon Age. I find most of the characters compelling. I love the story and the interaction/immersion in the world. I too find hacking and slashing a great release from a day of tedium at work.



Alistair is my favorite love interest. I do not find Alistair whiny. He is open and sincere and not hung up on being macho or manly. This does not make him weak. I get way to much male ego and posturing in real life, and am happy to not have to deal with testosterone induced confrontations in my free time. Zevran always creeps me out a little. Yes. He is suave and attractive, but he is also cold and calculating. I just can't "warm" to that type of personality.



Addendum: It always bothers me that people get upset when Alistair gets angry at sparing Loghain. Loghain was responsible for killing Alistair's father figure and all of his friends. He let his king die. He allowed slavery, torture, and nearly destroyed everything that made Ferelden, Ferelden. Then you decide to let Loghain live and call Alistair whiny and self righteous for objecting. I find this consistent lack of empathy for your comrade in arms both sad and disturbing.

[AlexXIV]

the_one_54321 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Heh if I am honest, I liked Alistair up to the point at the landsmeet where he loses sympathy of most people I think. I guess that's what you mean by self-righteous as well. So would be one who actually like him myself to that point, but I never looked at him the same after this. He turned from funny to dumba...

This is off-topic but.. what? He wants to kill Loghain after he betrayed the King, wiped out the Grey Wardens for his own ambition, labeled you and Alistair as criminals, (if human noble) helped orchestrate the destruction of the Couslands, poisoned Arl Eamon (a father figure for Alistair), tried killing you dozens of times over. Maybe it's just me but I don't think that's dumb to want the guy butchered.

Edit: Selling elves (if an elf).

Well your point of view.

My point of view is that Loghain did many things wrong but he admitted it and was ready to make up, even die in battle or whatever. Alistair was just acting like a dumb kid who could not see the advantage of having a general of Loghain's abilitly. What do you think, how many people would not have died just because of the advantage of having Loghain, I mean if it was realistic, not just in a game. And, is it worth that people die just to satisfy one man's revenge? Duncan is dead and I am sure he would rather have Loghain fighting Darkspawn than dying for nothing. Sorry, but I think like a Grey Warden here, like Riordan, like Duncan, but not like Alistair, because at this point it turns out Alsistair has never really been a Grey Warden, he was more like Cailan - dreaming of legends instead of facing facts. Grey Warden's don't care about crimes before they became Grey Wardens, the ritual binds them to the Darkspawn. And at Loghain's age he would go to his calling rather sooner than later afterwards. And maybe he could even learn enough about the Grey Wardens in the rest of his life that made him clear how grave his mistake was. But that's something Alistair wouldn't understand, because he is just a kid.

Being repentant doesn't always mean you deserve forgiveness. Loghain is a murderer, a traitor, and mentally unstable, especially when you consider he does a complete and very abrupt 180 after only beating him in combat. As a matter of pure prgmatism, I would have prefered to spare him and make him do the ritual and make him die killing the arch-demon, and I still wouldn't consider him redeemed. However, with Alistairs reaction (which is not unreasonable) it no longer holds any practicality at all. Better to side with Alistiar whom you are already familiar with and know you can trust, as opposed to the obviously unstable Loghain.

How is Alistair's reaction not unreasonable? He doesn't just object to letting Loghain live, he deserts! He is a deserter. If he was reasonable he would have disagreed but stayed for the battle, but he doesn't. He runs away like a stupid little kid. And obviously afterwards he never finds any better use in his life than being drunk all day. My understanding of the word reasonable is a bit different there.

[Mehow_pwn]

I got a small question is it ok if I use some of your Quotes? as an exemple?