Ciryx wrote...
Most awesome thing are you Gals and Guys anyhow!
Tis so amazing that a game manages to get people together from all over the world to discuss various topics and thus bringing so many people together!
Tis one of the most amazing things about Dragon Age if i am honest!
and yeah I am sorta happy aswell 
Mehow_pwn wrote...
Well after reading all does opnion I can least have some conclusion about how women think about gaming and some movies I all the women that I know might have the same opnion on some things as you thank you
And I'm woundering something
What do you think about the trailer having no women as main or sub main charcter ( dragon age 2 trailer)
ImoenBaby wrote...
the_one_54321 wrote...
How young do you think is young? I'm 26. Where I'm from women making the "first move" is rare at any age. It's a cultural thing.ImoenBaby wrote...
I can see a young fella asking this, because some young girls and women won't make the first direct move on a guy. But if you're into replaying DA:O, try a female character and find out. It won't kill you.
26 is young, but not very.
I'm almost 31, and live in Canada. It's normal here for women to express their interest in men, although they might do it differently. But I do think many men still feel obligated to make the first move, and carry this modest burden as well as they can. And I bet these men feel pleasantly relieved/refreshed when women are more direct.
Anyway, enough off topicness.Apologies. Any further off topic = pm or different forum.
Saibh wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
How is Alistair's reaction not unreasonable? He doesn't just object to letting Loghain live, he deserts! He is a deserter. If he was reasonable he would have disagreed but stayed for the battle, but he doesn't. He runs away like a stupid little kid. And obviously afterwards he never finds any better use in his life than being drunk all day. My understanding of the word reasonable is a bit different there.
Character flaws. People have 'em. He was not wrong to want Loghain dead. So he wanted the crown to ensure it. You wouldn't give it to him, so he felt he had no choice but to leave.
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AlexXIV wrote...
He had a choice, he could have helped defend Denerim, kill Darkspawn. Like he should if he is a Grey Warden. I don't thin being unreasonable is just a character flaw. It is the difference between a patriot and a fanatic.
Well tbh I would act the same on Howe and Vaughn, they die every playthrough even if I am not city elf.Dave of Canada wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
He had a choice, he could have helped defend Denerim, kill Darkspawn. Like he should if he is a Grey Warden. I don't thin being unreasonable is just a character flaw. It is the difference between a patriot and a fanatic.
Well, I'd react exactly like him if I was expected to work with Howe on my Cousland or Vaughan on my City Elf.
Modifié par AlexXIV, 31 août 2010 - 06:15 .
Mehow_pwn wrote...
Lisa_H wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
What do you think about the trailer having no women as main or sub main charcter ( dragon age 2 trailer)
I can only speak for myself, but I don't like it. I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I would like to see both versions of hawke in the trailers
But techinally the trailer does have all you need "hawk" well almost :innocent:
So you dont think hawk is attractive?
Or is just that you want a women hacking up that qunari?
Frankly, my dislike of him has little to do with his lack of manliness (though that was a factor). I don't like anyone, male or female, that constantly wants to talk about his or her "feelings." I am no one's therapist, not in real life or in a game. I find it particularly unattractive in a man, but I'm no fan of it in a woman, either. I don't mind being there in a tough time, but not when "a tough time" is every five minutes.Patriciachr34 wrote...
Alistair is my favorite love interest. I do not find Alistair whiny. He is open and sincere and not hung up on being macho or manly. This does not make him weak. I get way to much male ego and posturing in real life, and am happy to not have to deal with testosterone induced confrontations in my free time.
I found Alistair self-righteous, but I understood his reaction perfectly in this case. I actually rather agreed with him.Addendum: It always bothers me that people get upset when Alistair gets angry at sparing Loghain. Loghain was responsible for killing Alistair's father figure and all of his friends. He let his king die. He allowed slavery, torture, and nearly destroyed everything that made Ferelden, Ferelden. Then you decide to let Loghain live and call Alistair whiny and self righteous for objecting. I find this consistent lack of empathy for your comrade in arms both sad and disturbing.
AlexXIV wrote...
Well tbh I would act the same on Howe and Vaughn, they die every playthrough even if I am not city elf.Dave of Canada wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
He had a choice, he could have helped defend Denerim, kill Darkspawn. Like he should if he is a Grey Warden. I don't thin being unreasonable is just a character flaw. It is the difference between a patriot and a fanatic.
Well, I'd react exactly like him if I was expected to work with Howe on my Cousland or Vaughan on my City Elf.
Well I somehow respect Loghain more than them though. Might be just me, but I think he is rather 'misled' than outright evil. But Howe and Vaughn are just ... ugh.
Arawr wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
Lisa_H wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
What do you think about the trailer having no women as main or sub main charcter ( dragon age 2 trailer)
I can only speak for myself, but I don't like it. I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I would like to see both versions of hawke in the trailers
But techinally the trailer does have all you need "hawk" well almost :innocent:
So you dont think hawk is attractive?
Or is just that you want a women hacking up that qunari?
It's not that male!Hawke isn't attractive, it's just that equal representation in the media would be nice. If you think about it, fem!Hawke would be pretty popular with the guys. Marketing to tastes, and all that.
Mehow_pwn wrote...
Lisa_H wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
What do you think about the trailer having no women as main or sub main charcter ( dragon age 2 trailer)
I can only speak for myself, but I don't like it. I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I would like to see both versions of hawke in the trailers
But techinally the trailer does have all you need "hawk" well almost :innocent:
So you dont think hawk is attractive?
Or is just that you want a women hacking up that qunari?
Saibh wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Well tbh I would act the same on Howe and Vaughn, they die every playthrough even if I am not city elf.Dave of Canada wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
He had a choice, he could have helped defend Denerim, kill Darkspawn. Like he should if he is a Grey Warden. I don't thin being unreasonable is just a character flaw. It is the difference between a patriot and a fanatic.
Well, I'd react exactly like him if I was expected to work with Howe on my Cousland or Vaughan on my City Elf.
Well I somehow respect Loghain more than them though. Might be just me, but I think he is rather 'misled' than outright evil. But Howe and Vaughn are just ... ugh.
Loghain is his Howe/Vaughn. Someone who has personally, deeply hurt him and destroyed his life. Someone he feels deserves to die.
In fact, Alistair allows Howe to live in DSC. Can you imagine if the game forced you to let Howe live as a Cousland? People here would spew hot lava.
Patriciachr34 wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
Lisa_H wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
What do you think about the trailer having no women as main or sub main charcter ( dragon age 2 trailer)
I can only speak for myself, but I don't like it. I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I would like to see both versions of hawke in the trailers
But techinally the trailer does have all you need "hawk" well almost :innocent:
So you dont think hawk is attractive?
Or is just that you want a women hacking up that qunari?
Yes! Male Hawke is really attractive. I wish I could romance him. However, it would be nice to see a women portrayed as a "heroe" figure. We want to see the same strength and resolve in our fem Hawke as we see in the male Hawke. We also would like the acknowledgement that women with equal skill and strength are as capable as any man. And Yes. Seeing a woman hacking up a Quanri would be immensley satisfying.
Patriciachr34 wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
Lisa_H wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
What do you think about the trailer having no women as main or sub main charcter ( dragon age 2 trailer)
I can only speak for myself, but I don't like it. I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I would like to see both versions of hawke in the trailers
But techinally the trailer does have all you need "hawk" well almost :innocent:
So you dont think hawk is attractive?
Or is just that you want a women hacking up that qunari?
Yes! Male Hawke is really attractive. I wish I could romance him. However, it would be nice to see a women portrayed as a "heroe" figure. We want to see the same strength and resolve in our fem Hawke as we see in the male Hawke. We also would like the acknowledgement that women with equal skill and strength are as capable as any man. And Yes. Seeing a woman hacking up a Quanri would be immensley satisfying.
Eollodwyn wrote...
Frankly, my dislike of him has little to do with his lack of manliness (though that was a factor). I don't like anyone, male or female, that constantly wants to talk about his or her "feelings." I am no one's therapist, not in real life or in a game. I find it particularly unattractive in a man, but I'm no fan of it in a woman, either. I don't mind being there in a tough time, but not when "a tough time" is every five minutes.Patriciachr34 wrote...
Alistair is my favorite love interest. I do not find Alistair whiny. He is open and sincere and not hung up on being macho or manly. This does not make him weak. I get way to much male ego and posturing in real life, and am happy to not have to deal with testosterone induced confrontations in my free time.I found Alistair self-righteous, but I understood his reaction perfectly in this case. I actually rather agreed with him.Addendum: It always bothers me that people get upset when Alistair gets angry at sparing Loghain. Loghain was responsible for killing Alistair's father figure and all of his friends. He let his king die. He allowed slavery, torture, and nearly destroyed everything that made Ferelden, Ferelden. Then you decide to let Loghain live and call Alistair whiny and self righteous for objecting. I find this consistent lack of empathy for your comrade in arms both sad and disturbing.
Patriciachr34 wrote...
I respect your opinion. Liking or disliking Alistair is often a matter of preference.
I don't see Alistair's expression of personal morality as self-righteous. He is simply standing up for his beliefs whether we share them or not. It takes a bit of strength to look at someone and to say, "Hey. I don't think what you're doing is right." knowing that they don't share your point of view. He can also be reasoned with. When he asks about party members you can point out that his "templar" is showing in regards to Morrigan. He does acknowledge that he may be a bit predjudiced. A self righteous person would never do this.
the_one_54321 wrote...
I agree, mostly. I just think it becomes clearly impractical once it becomes apparent that Alistair will leave or die if you spare Loghain. At that point the obvious better decision is to kill Loghain and keep Alistair. This will make stopping the blight more likely than if you spare Loghain and lose Alistair.Reaverwind wrote...
Loghain's being repentant is a non-issue. Grey Wardens don't dispense redemption and salvation - they look for those that'll best serve their cause - and Loghain doesn't exactly fit the bill due to his age. I really dislike how the enitre Landsmeet plays out anyway - I consider it farsical to force a choice between bringing Loghain on board or keeping Alistair.the_one_54321 wrote...
Being repentant doesn't always mean you deserve forgiveness. Loghain is a murderer, a traitor, and mentally unstable, especially when you consider he does a complete and very abrupt 180 after only beating him in combat. As a matter of pure prgmatism, I would have prefered to spare him and make him do the ritual and make him die killing the arch-demon, and I still wouldn't consider him redeemed. However, with Alistairs reaction (which is not unreasonable) it no longer holds any practicality at all. Better to side with Alistiar whom you are already familiar with and know you can trust, as opposed to the obviously unstable Loghain.
Dave of Canada wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Heh if I am honest, I liked Alistair up to the point at the landsmeet where he loses sympathy of most people I think. I guess that's what you mean by self-righteous as well. So would be one who actually like him myself to that point, but I never looked at him the same after this. He turned from funny to dumba...
This is off-topic but.. what? He wants to kill Loghain after he betrayed the King, wiped out the Grey Wardens for his own ambition, labeled you and Alistair as criminals, (if human noble) helped orchestrate the destruction of the Couslands, poisoned Arl Eamon (a father figure for Alistair), tried killing you dozens of times over. Maybe it's just me but I don't think that's dumb to want the guy butchered.
Edit: Selling elves (if an elf).
Hmm, I supose we'll have to agree to disagree, then.Patriciachr34 wrote...
I respect your opinion. Liking or disliking Alistair is often a matter of preference.
I don't see Alistair's expression of personal morality as self-righteous. He is simply standing up for his beliefs whether we share them or not. It takes a bit of strength to look at someone and to say, "Hey. I don't think what you're doing is right." knowing that they don't share your point of view. He can also be reasoned with. When he asks about party members you can point out that his "templar" is showing in regards to Morrigan. He does acknowledge that he may be a bit predjudiced. A self righteous person would never do this.
Saibh wrote...
Patriciachr34 wrote...
I respect your opinion. Liking or disliking Alistair is often a matter of preference.
I don't see Alistair's expression of personal morality as self-righteous. He is simply standing up for his beliefs whether we share them or not. It takes a bit of strength to look at someone and to say, "Hey. I don't think what you're doing is right." knowing that they don't share your point of view. He can also be reasoned with. When he asks about party members you can point out that his "templar" is showing in regards to Morrigan. He does acknowledge that he may be a bit predjudiced. A self righteous person would never do this.
Alright, off-topic, but you have the most adorable little avatar! She looks so cuddly!
I tried to make a character that looks like me. This was as close as I could get.
Arawr wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
Lisa_H wrote...
Mehow_pwn wrote...
What do you think about the trailer having no women as main or sub main charcter ( dragon age 2 trailer)
I can only speak for myself, but I don't like it. I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I would like to see both versions of hawke in the trailers
But techinally the trailer does have all you need "hawk" well almost :innocent:
So you dont think hawk is attractive?
Or is just that you want a women hacking up that qunari?
It's not that male!Hawke isn't attractive, it's just that equal representation in the media would be nice. If you think about it, fem!Hawke would be pretty popular with the guys. Marketing to tastes, and all that.
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