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[Leonia]

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

Intriguing, quick, add it to the "What we KNOW" thread :happy:

[nightcobra]

makes me wonder how my picked boon will affeect DA2

mine was a smart benevolent character. i put hardened alistair and anora on the throne, let loghain live, did the dark ritual, and picked loghain's title and riches to my boon (my character knows that it helps to have power, money and reputation to be able to help people)

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

I always thought that step was quite drastic and such a culture shock was hard for me to pick it from RP reasons because like DG said the Chantry basically feels/thinks "No.". Not saying mages don't deserve their independence I just felt that boon was unrealistic and probably not going to happen given the circumstances especially what had happened at Redcliffe and the Circle.

[Elite Midget]

Yeah... The Chantry isn't known for being accepting or listening to the views of others that contradict their own. Even a King wont get much out of their stonewalling ways. If you try to push them than the Chantry can easily declare an Exhalted March and misinform the public into thinking that you're going against the Will of Andraste.



Besides, they are so much more powerful and important when they control the mages like slaves!

[Daerog]

Huh, I've never chosen that boon as a mage. Sounded unnecessary and could possibly bring undesired tension/conflict to an already damaged nation. That, and my mage always enjoyed his/her time with the Circle. Templars were like shiny wall decorations, you could even use their polished armor as mirrors to fix your hair.

[nightcobra]

as a mage i always pick the chancellor boon, i'm the leader of the country behind the scenes

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

Independence is awesome. Chancellor just get you a country of filthy idiots to look after. Independence meant turning lose hundreds of unstable pyromaniacs on said country of filthy peasants ... 

Why would a mage want to rule over a country of muggles ? Half of them can't even read, eww.

And if the Chantry does declare an exalted march against mages, wouldn't it be a simple enough matter for the mage Warden (and buddies) to find a job in Tevinter ? Chantry isn't that dumb.

Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 01 septembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[Riona45]

andar91 wrote...

I've always thought that particular boon was especially ridiculous. And I picked it and always play a mage. I just can't see them liberating the mages from the Templars because of one person, and I'm not sure they even should be liberated completely.

But the PC isn't just any person.  If it weren't for you, Ferelden might not even be around anymore.  At least, that's my take on it.

I'm glad to know that the boon I asked for isn't necessarily going to be completely ignored, at any rate.

EDIT:  None of this is to say that "freedom for mages" wouldn't be a complex and drawn-out process, though.

Modifié par Riona45, 02 septembre 2010 - 01:06 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Wait. Game doesn't autosave post-coronation. It autosaves after archdemon battle. Does this mean that for mages this boon will be selected by default?

[Arrtis]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Wait. Game doesn't autosave post-coronation. It autosaves after archdemon battle. Does this mean that for mages this boon will be selected by default?

If you die it is.You also get a statue of your PC at the circle.

[Lord Gremlin]

Arrtis wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Wait. Game doesn't autosave post-coronation. It autosaves after archdemon battle. Does this mean that for mages this boon will be selected by default?

If you die it is.You also get a statue of your PC at the circle.

If you don't die it's all the same. Although you can manually save during coronation.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Independence is awesome. Chancellor just get you a country of filthy idiots to look after. Independence meant turning lose hundreds of unstable pyromaniacs on said country of filthy peasants ... 

Why would a mage want to rule over a country of muggles ? Half of them can't even read, eww.

And if the Chantry does declare an exalted march against mages, wouldn't it be a simple enough matter for the mage Warden (and buddies) to find a job in Tevinter ? Chantry isn't that dumb.

It is more complex than that.  Gaider and other writers have already addressed how infeasible having the warden wander off to Tevinter is: you're assuming Tevinter wants them there.  

Also, in my game, the mages a) got their crap together after the demon thing and were the final army fighting the Archdemon.  Alongside a mage Warden who while hot-tempered, was very decent and benevolent.  I think they made some pretty good strides, but you can't erase hundreds of years of being on the Chantry's leash just like that.  What will they do for lyrium?  The Chantry control the trade.  What about the templars presently at the tower?  There are a frillion considerations, even if you do agree and free the mages like I did.

[Riona45]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I think they made some pretty good strides, but you can't erase hundreds of years of being on the Chantry's leash just like that.  What will they do for lyrium?  The Chantry control the trade.  What about the templars presently at the tower?  There are a frillion considerations, even if you do agree and free the mages like I did.

Indeed, that's the option I took because it would have been totally out-of-character for my character NOT to ask for that specific boon, having played the part of the idealist throughout the game.  I figured it was a worthwhile step to take even if it cannot, as you say, erase hundreds of years of history.

Also, I thought Irving's response to that choice was rather heartwarming.  You could tell he was both genuinely touched and resolved to make sure the Circle mages are deserving of what you asked for.

Modifié par Riona45, 02 septembre 2010 - 01:10 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Wait. Game doesn't autosave post-coronation. It autosaves after archdemon battle. Does this mean that for mages this boon will be selected by default?

If you die it is.You also get a statue of your PC at the circle.

If you don't die it's all the same. Although you can manually save during coronation.

This is a bit disturbing to me. I wanted to vist the camp before import to Awakening, so I had to select the autosave, pre coronation, to do so. That seems to mean I won't have any of my coronation choices carried forward. hmm

[Wolverfrog]

Asking for the boon plants the seed; with time it will grow.

[Dave of Canada]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Wait. Game doesn't autosave post-coronation. It autosaves after archdemon battle. Does this mean that for mages this boon will be selected by default?

Not really. If you say you'll serve the throne, you get another epilogue tile in the ending so it proves that the boon is recorded.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 02 septembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[Dave of Canada]

MariSkep wrote...

No. It might as well be an empty gesture as neither Alistair nor Anora will push for it. Alistair really isn't fond of mages and lacks the will/political savyness to really build any bridges between the Circle and Chantry.

If Hardened Alistair is king, he's probably comparable to Anora in willpower and such. He's also less likely to drop the issue because your character is probably one of his best friends (or... partner).

[LobselVith8]

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

This might seem odd, but why allow the Magi Warden to request the King or Queen for the Cicle in Ferelden to be independent if it isn't possible? Neither the King or Queen give any indication that this royal boon wouldn't be possible. Considering that six months have passed in Awakening and even longer in Witch Hunt (I've heard in-game that it's referenced as two years on the map since the attack on Amaranthine) with the templars still a presence at the Ferelden Circle, it makes the Magi Royal Boon pointless.

[elfdwarf]

this show chantry is tyrant

wondering why didn't warden mage get chase by templar in origin?

[Ulicus]

I'm kind of hoping that every boon the player can ask for is just something that comes up as a matter of course. It already seems to be the case, after all. For example, the Howes are stripped of all their lands and titles even if the player doesn't ask for it (Awakening). The dalish, apparantly, get the land around ostagar regardless of whether you ask for it (epilogue slides), etc.

I'd prefer that to having to play through DA2 from a different DA:O ending every time just to see the results of them all.

Modifié par Ulicus, 12 septembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[elfdwarf]

chantry and dalish never been friends

chantry could take that away

[Oblivious]

MariSkep wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

No. It might as well be an empty gesture as neither Alistair nor Anora will push for it. Alistair really isn't fond of mages and lacks the will/political savyness to really build any bridges between the Circle and Chantry.

If Hardened Alistair is king, he's probably comparable to Anora in willpower and such. He's also less likely to drop the issue because your character is probably one of his best friends (or... partner).

True but I doubt he'll have the pull and number of friends needed to make any kind of headway with the Chantry. Sure he can push all he wants but he'll never be able to out muscle the Divine. And he'll still have his plate full with pulling the nation back together after civil war and cleaning it up after the Blight.

Alistair is an extremely popular King and a former Templar (he knows how the Chantry works) while Anora is a master of politics. They have the Warden-Commander of Ferelden as their best friend and the king of Orzammar owes them a personal favor. Not only that but if the Warden sacrifices him/herself Zevran is the leader of the Antivan Crows, Oghren is the head of Ferelden's army (I'm going with vanilla epilogue not Awakening), Sten is a general in the Qunari army, and Wynne may or may not be the First Enchanter. He has no shortage of friends in high places.