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[Saibh]

LobselVith8 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

This might seem odd, but why allow the Magi Warden to request the King or Queen for the Cicle in Ferelden to be independent if it isn't possible? Neither the King or Queen give any indication that this royal boon wouldn't be possible. Considering that six months have passed in Awakening and even longer in Witch Hunt (I've heard in-game that it's referenced as two years on the map since the attack on Amaranthine) with the templars still a presence at the Ferelden Circle, it makes the Magi Royal Boon pointless.

He did say the conversation didn't stop there. This might contribute to the reasons the Chantry is falling to pieces.

Also, no one ever said that the templars wouldn't be in the Circle--in fact, if you die and are a mage, the monarch will have you rebuild the Tower together. I figured the "mages get autonomy" just means that the First Enchanter makes the decisions, not the Knight-Commander.

[Bruddajakka]

elfdwarf wrote...

this show chantry is tyrant
wondering why didn't warden mage get chase by templar in origin?

Grey Warden trumps Chantry.

[Anarchosyn]

LobselVith8 wrote...

This might seem odd, but why allow the Magi Warden to request the King or Queen for the Cicle in Ferelden to be independent if it isn't possible?

If you're American then it's like asking your Senator or Congressman for a law. That one individual can't make the law but they have a powerful ability to lobby for it.  

[elfdwarf]

why anders being chase after joining when warden mage didn't get chase by templar?

[Saibh]

elfdwarf wrote...

why anders being chase after joining when warden mage didn't get chase by templar?

I think it was one batsh*t templar who believed he killed her friends, not the whole Templar Order.

Modifié par Saibh, 13 septembre 2010 - 12:07 .

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah Rylock was pretty obviously off her rocker, and off the reserve.

[Oblivious]

Anarchosyn wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

This might seem odd, but why allow the Magi Warden to request the King or Queen for the Cicle in Ferelden to be independent if it isn't possible?

If you're American then it's like asking your Senator or Congressman for a law. That one individual can't make the law but they have a powerful ability to lobby for it.  

That is a bad example. A better example would be for 13th century England's King promising to stop the murder of hundreds just because they might be witches. He can promise that, but the church won't let him fulfill it, and even if they did that would lead to a Crusader army knocking on London's door.

[Riona45]

Saibh wrote...


He did say the conversation didn't stop there.

Indeed.

Also, no one ever said that the templars wouldn't be in the Circle--in fact, if you die and are a mage, the monarch will have you rebuild the Tower together. I figured the "mages get autonomy" just means that the First Enchanter makes the decisions, not the Knight-Commander.

I was thinking the same thing--we don't know exactly how the First Enchanter will choose to run things.  Maybe the templars are still being employed at the Circle because the First Enchanter deems them useful to have around. 

[Homebound]

David Gaider wrote...

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

Anyone else read the Chantry part in Sten's voice?

[Saibh]

Just_mike wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

Anyone else read the Chantry part in Sten's voice?

Oh yeah I did.

[Heimdall]

Just_mike wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

Anyone else read the Chantry part in Sten's voice?

Naturally

[Ulicus]

Saibh wrote...

I figured the "mages get autonomy" just means that the First Enchanter makes the decisions, not the Knight-Commander.

Ditto.

Irving wasn't portrayed as a libertarian and, for all their arguments, he and Greigor clearly had a great deal of respect for one another. I doubt Irving would WANT the templars kicked out of the Circle. I can see him reducing their numbers and maybe giving the mages more privacy... but that's about it. I doubt he'd change how, say, the Harrowings operated.

Probably tweak the rules so that pupils could be given more advice and coaching prior to it.

Modifié par Ulicus, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:25 .

[krasnoarmeets]

The boon was given in Ferelden. Isn't DA2 supposed to be set in the Free Marches?

[Astfgl]

elfdwarf wrote...

why anders being chase after joining when warden mage didn't get chase by templar?

Well she always went after him. Who knows may be she wanted some privacy with him and he dinied that? An offended woman can be veeery revengeful

Velanna: You escaped your Circle, didn't you?
Anders: Several times. But they always found me using my phylactery. Not that I minded being caught much. They always assigned the same templar to track me down. Or perhaps she asked. I hope it's the latter. On those long trips back to the tower -- I in manacles, she glaring silently -- the air practically sizzled

Modifié par Astfgl, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:47 .

[elfdwarf]

act I escaping blight

act II enter kirkwall

[Pritos]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

The boon was given in Ferelden. Isn't DA2 supposed to be set in the Free Marches?

It's not like this mean that we won't be hearing/seeing any news from Ferelden. It will probably play a large role in DA2 even if the plot does not occur there.

[Bryy_Miller]

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

I am very interested in what the Teryn of Gwaren boon does, since Hawke's family will be seeking refuge there.

[Dynamomark]

Pritos wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

The boon was given in Ferelden. Isn't DA2 supposed to be set in the Free Marches?

It's not like this mean that we won't be hearing/seeing any news from Ferelden. It will probably play a large role in DA2 even if the plot does not occur there.

In fact, DA2 starts in Ferelden and they are importing a lot of story variables from DAO, Awakening, and the DLC.

[Astfgl]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I am very interested in what the Teryn of Gwaren boon does, since Hawke's family will be seeking refuge there.

DA2 starts long before the Blight is over and that boon granted. So I doubt we see it just like that. Probably hear about it later once we're in Free Marches already, just like about any other boon ))

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah DA2 starts right as Loghain is coming through Lothering after Withdrawing from Ostagar if my understanding is correct.

[Astfgl]

Yeah, somewhere between that and our Warden's first plot quest compleet. Since that's when we find out Lothering is destroyed.

Modifié par Astfgl, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:28 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Astfgl wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I am very interested in what the Teryn of Gwaren boon does, since Hawke's family will be seeking refuge there.

DA2 starts long before the Blight is over and that boon granted. So I doubt we see it just like that. Probably hear about it later once we're in Free Marches already, just like about any other boon ))

Ah, yes, you are correct. It does not take a few years to go cross country.

[KhorinShizucor]

From the Mage origin and Awakenings, I remember there being many fraternities among the mages. I would think these fraternities also exist beyond Fereldan. There may be the boon but I think these fraternities have a better chance of igniting change.

[Bruddajakka]

Irving wasn't portrayed as a libertarian and, for all their arguments, he and Greigor clearly had a great deal of respect for one another. I doubt Irving would WANT the templars kicked out of the Circle. I can see him reducing their numbers and maybe giving the mages more privacy... but that's about it. I doubt he'd change how, say, the Harrowings operated.

Probably tweak the rules so that pupils could be given more advice and coaching prior to it.

Yeah though Greigor, and Irving also had a bickering married couple vibe going on. Hedley seemed like a step in the right direction though. Rather liked him.

[Cariborne]

So, it'll be mentioned as it was essentially confirmed earlier in this thread. Maybe if you fight against the Chantry and render them essentially broken, and took the Boon for Freed Mages in the first Origins, then in Dragon Age 3 they'll really be free and ruled by a Council of Mages or something that serve the crown, something that we build up to. Especially since I can see the Chantry having to be weakened before they take it seriously, and then even then years for the Circle to be free to decide on it's own.