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[Bruddajakka]

The comic is supposed to have something to do with the Circle, and the Chantry but at this point so far all they've done is wander in the Wilderness, and it's three issues in.

[Riona45]

Bruddajakka wrote...


Yeah though Greigor, and Irving also had a bickering married couple vibe going on. Hedley seemed like a step in the right direction though. Rather liked him.

Who is that?

[Riona45]

KhorinShizucor wrote...

From the Mage origin and Awakenings, I remember there being many fraternities among the mages. I would think these fraternities also exist beyond Fereldan.

The conversation with Wynne in Awakening implies that they do.

[Riona45]

Ulicus wrote...

Ditto.

Irving wasn't portrayed as a libertarian and, for all their arguments, he and Greigor clearly had a great deal of respect for one another. I doubt Irving would WANT the templars kicked out of the Circle. I can see him reducing their numbers and maybe giving the mages more privacy... but that's about it. I doubt he'd change how, say, the Harrowings operated.

Probably tweak the rules so that pupils could be given more advice and coaching prior to it.

Irving wasn't a Libertarian (the wiki says he's an Aequitarian), although when you ask for the boon and then speak to him (he is the mage-specific character you get post-coronation) it's obvious that he's happy and even a bit touched that you asked for freedom for mages when you could have asked for anything.

And yes, it was obvious that he was trying to give the mage PC some impromptu coaching before their Harrowing (of course, there is also some evidence in the game that the mage PC is a favorite student).

[Bryy_Miller]

Riona45 wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...


Yeah though Greigor, and Irving also had a bickering married couple vibe going on. Hedley seemed like a step in the right direction though. Rather liked him.

Who is that?

Do you have a new character? Did you go with the Templars?

[Riona45]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do you have a new character? Did you go with the Templars?

Never sided with the templars, and I don't think I could ever choose to, to be honest.

I looked "Hedley" up on the wiki and didn't see anything there.

[oenis]

I think Hedley is the templar from WH.

[Riona45]

oenis wrote...

I think Hedley is the templar from WH.

Haven't played Witch Hunt yet (waiting for the patch).  Thanks for the information, though.

[Bruddajakka]

Irving wasn't a Libertarian (the wiki says he's an Aequitarian), although when you ask for the boon and then speak to him (he is the mage-specific character you get post-coronation) it's obvious that he's happy and even a bit touched that you asked for freedom for mages when you could have asked for anything.

And yes, it was obvious that he was trying to give the mage PC some impromptu coaching before their Harrowing (of course, there is also some evidence in the game that the mage PC is a favorite student).

Well he is the PC's Mentor. It isn't obvious but it's quite clear that he is. And yes Hedley is from WH. He's quite civil when you talk to him, and seems to be quite even tempered.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Riona45]

Bruddajakka wrote...



Well he is the PC's Mentor. It isn't obvious but it's quite clear that he is.

 
Well, yes--I mentioned that there is evidence of that.

And yes Hedley is from WH. He's quite civil when you talk to him, and seems to be quite even tempered.

Like I said, I haven't played that yet.  Though to be fair, there were certainly templars in the original game who came off as even-tempered and not fanatics (or addled by lyrium).

Modifié par Riona45, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:34 .

[elfdwarf]

saw some anger between dalish and templar

[Bruddajakka]

Dalish are angry at everything. Every thing. Look at a rock funny, and it ticks them off.

[elfdwarf]

why is Greagoir at denerim?

Modifié par elfdwarf, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:51 .

[zahra]

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

See, I knew I should have asked for sweet new robes instead. <_<

List of Things You Could/Should Have Asked For Instead Of Freedom

1- Sweet new robes 
2. Lifts to be invented and subsequently installed in tower
3. A peek under the Templar skirts just to know if they are "skirt" skirts [Its intriguing okay! I'm totally not a pervert.] 
4. Irving to brush his hair at least once a week
5.On Sundays, mages are allowed to summon demons to wage Pokemon-style battles against each other.
6. As the Hero Of Ferelden, Templars have to carry you around Egyptian Pharaoh style when you are in the Tower.
7. Templar skirts to be shortened into Scottish kilts, decorated with pictures of pink kittens. 
8. Greagoir to attend Charm School

Modifié par zahra, 13 septembre 2010 - 05:12 .

[Bruddajakka]

Because they couldn't afford to bring his voice actor in to record what amounts to only a couple of lines.

[Deathispink]

zahra wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

See, I knew I should have asked for sweet new robes instead. <_<

List of Things You Could/Should Have Asked For Instead Of Freedom

1- Sweet new robes 
2. Lifts to be invented and subsequently installed in tower
3. A peek under the Templar skirts just to know if they are "skirt" skirts [Its intriguing okay! I'm totally not a pervert.] 
4. Irving to brush his hair at least once a week
5.On Sundays, mages are allowed to summon demons to wage Pokemon-style battles against each other.
6. As the Hero Of Ferelden, Templars have to carry you around Egyptian Pharaoh style when you are in the Tower.
7. Templar skirts to be shortened into Scottish kilts, decorated with pictures of pink kittens. 
8. Greagoir to attend Charm School

This. Bioware needs to incorporate this in the next patch. Personally, I vote for number five!

Mage #1: Bear-shaped Sloth demon I choose you! Go!
Mage #2: Nug-Shaped Fade Spirit go! 
Sloth:ZzZzZzZzZz....
Nug: Squeek! *dies*
Mages 1&2: ...

[OriginsIsBest]

Ha! You got to be joking. You think Bioware would put the effort/time/money in, to include all the choices you made in Origins into a sequel? Why do you think they are making us play as Hawke, far away from Ferelden, so really your choices don't matter. They include small bits and peices, to keep the fans happy, but some are so blind, they don't realise that.



This is why I hate DA2. What's the point of importing? This game is friendly to new players, so how many of your choices actually count? Not many.

[Saibh]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Ha! You got to be joking. You think Bioware would put the effort/time/money in, to include all the choices you made in Origins into a sequel? Why do you think they are making us play as Hawke, far away from Ferelden, so really your choices don't matter. They include small bits and peices, to keep the fans happy, but some are so blind, they don't realise that.

This is why I hate DA2. What's the point of importing? This game is friendly to new players, so how many of your choices actually count? Not many.

ME2, a direct sequel and continuation of the first game, didn't go really that far to import your choices. Maybe you a) shouldn't post here, since you hate the game and should consider that perhaps the resources needed to change the world in a massive, tangible way aren't available yet for games, and what they're doing is the best we can get at this point.

Certainly, they're the only ones doing it. I hear Fable 3 imports some choices, but considering that my Hero was a damn skank with fifteen children, and the game begins with an older son and younger child, I'm going to say it doesn't matter that much.

Modifié par Saibh, 13 septembre 2010 - 05:53 .

[Deathispink]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Ha! You got to be joking. You think Bioware would put the effort/time/money in, to include all the choices you made in Origins into a sequel? Why do you think they are making us play as Hawke, far away from Ferelden, so really your choices don't matter. They include small bits and peices, to keep the fans happy, but some are so blind, they don't realise that.

This is why I hate DA2. What's the point of importing? This game is friendly to new players, so how many of your choices actually count? Not many.

I think you're asking far too much from the developers. You even seem to be aware of the overwhelming time/cost investment it would take to create a sequel where every little thing you've done in the previous game crosses over to the next. Imagine, in order to take EVERY quest variable and outcome into consideration and transfer it over would be equivilent to creating dozens, if not hundreds, of more linear games. It would take an obscene amount of time for such a game to be developed and released. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the "fan service" you so disdain. Sure, my choices may not have a huge impact, but at least they are acknowledged and since the game hasn't even been released yet, perhaps I will be pleasently surprised with what my choices in DAO lead to.

You sir, are an idiot. The fact that you hate this unreleased game so much just makes me want to play even more out of spite for you. AT least I can rest assured that in six month's time I will be happily playing DA2 and you will be alone, playing with yourself.

[elfdwarf]

i vote number 6

Archmage Surana: mages get up here

templar:no other mages

Archmage Surana:yes templar

templar:your getting off?!

Archmage Surana : shale your turn ride templar

shale:thank you

Archmage Surana: small crystal or large crystal

shale: large crystal

[Riona45]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

This is why I hate DA2.

And yet for some reason you just can't tear yourself away from a forum that is specifically for the sole discussion of DA2.

[Lotion Soronarr]

You know what would be funny? If the Chantry did free the mages. And utter chaos ensued as abominations run amok.

[Altima Darkspells]

Technically, the Mages are already autonomous, hence why the treaty was for, well, them instead of say their Templar masters.



But as the Chantry says, possession is nine-tenths of the law.



Personally, I see this as a lose-lose situation on all fronts. As things are now, the Circle is repressive, sloppy, and probably causes more mages to go Maleficar or turn into an Abomination. Freeing a tower would invite severe repucussions from the Chantry (perhaps even an Exalted March). As such, a freed tower would lean heavily on the institution that freed them, leading the mages to become militarized.



Mages are *very* powerful. Any nation with access to large numbers of them as well as the resources and know-how to train even more would become immensely powerful. This would lead to other nations following their example. Tevinter, who most likely does this, has survived many, many Exalted Marches due to the combination of the Imperial Chantry, the Tevinter government, and their mages.



However, if *all* towers were granted freedom and united as their own organization, that would just lead to a sitation were a Tevinter-like empire would rise up again.

[Bruddajakka]

Of course we can speculate as much as we went at the end of the day the Mage might just want to be able to use the bathroom without some dude with his a head in a bucket watching him.

[zahra]

Deathispink wrote...



This. Bioware needs to incorporate this in the next patch. Personally, I vote for number five!

Mage #1: Bear-shaped Sloth demon I choose you! Go!
Mage #2: Nug-Shaped Fade Spirit go! 
Sloth:ZzZzZzZzZz....
Nug: Squeek! *dies*
Mages 1&2: ...

Ikr!

It would be reason 17626262# to play as a mage. [Besides godly power and getting to use people as human shields.]'' 


Mage #1: Desire demon, I choose you! Go!
Hero of Ferelden: Drunk Oghren Go!
Mage #1: Wait, what?
Hero of Ferelden: 
Drunk Oghren Drops His Pants
Its super effective!
Mage #1: You're a dirty cheater. I'm never playing with you again.