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[TheAzureVanguard]

@ pacifen



Like I said I'm not entirely sure...wasn't playing close attention the first time around...



@ que



Are you gonna update your theory?

[Pacifien]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...
Question: can you still do the sideqests in the tunnels after the THorian, if you don't kill any of the colonists involved?

You can. Or you can get the quests before heading to Exogeni headquarters, but not finish them until after the Thorian. But whoever is dead (and Fai Dan always will be) won't be able to give you the reward.

[Quething]

Alright, guys, more testing done, and here's what I've learned: Don't save Jeong.

Points needed to save Feros: 13
-> Each colonist is worth 1 point
-> Each completed sidequest is worth 1 point
-> Convincing Jeong is worth 12 points
-> Sparing Shiala is worth 5 points
-> Shiala and Jeong overlap

So, if you kill Jeong and Shiala, you need to spare 13 colonists, or 9 colonists plus do 4 sidequests, or 11 plus 2 sidequests, etc etc. I've tried various combinations of these and it always works out to a 13 point cutoff, they're apparently interchangable.

If you spare Jeong, you only need 1 sidequest, or 1 colonist.
If you spare Shiala, you need 8 colonists, or 5 colonists and 3 sidequests, etc etc.

If you spare Jeong and Shiala, though, they overlap rather than add to each other, so you still only have 12 points, so you still need to save at least one colonist or do at least one sidequest or Feros will die.

I have not been able to reproduce any kind of run where Jeong lives, any colonist lives, and Feros dies.

That said, I haven't been particularly meticulous about which colonists I knock out and which I kill. So if, say, sparing one named colonist vs sparing one "Colonist" colonist makes a difference, that would have slipped my testing process.

Modifié par Quething, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:11 .

[TheAzureVanguard]

Ok I did all 4 side quests.



And I have a save where I spared Jeong using Intimidate so that should be 16 TOTAL points right?



So I'm gonna go play ME1 and do the colony thing and this time kill everyone and Shiala to see what happens.

[Quething]

Yeah, that sounds right. We'll see if it is right shortly, I guess.

Also worth noting:

In the Gibbed save editor for ME2, the Feros decision has a flag for "Intimidated Ethan Jeong" and a flag for "Convinced Ethan Jeong". I'm fairly sure I used the renegade persuade every time, but if the game is making a distinction between renegade and paragon convinced there rather than just dead vs convinced, that may impact the numbers too.

And on an interesting side tangent, turns out thorian nodes have variable health depending on how many of their creepers are still alive. Kill every creeper in the area and they die really quick. Try ignoring the creepers and just shooting the node and you'll be plunking away at its ridiculously high health till the heat death of the universe. So that's yet another reason besides the extra XP to kill the creepers first.

Modifié par Quething, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:23 .

[Pacifien]

More cookies for SCIENCE!

[Anezay]

I simply cannot force myself to leave Jeong alive. I have to kill him every single time. Does that make me a bad person?

[Quething]

Given that, per the VI's explanation of the ExoGeni chain of command, he must have sole responsibility for deciding to make Zhu's Hope into guinea pigs for a malevolent plant, and the only other option besides killing him seems to be letting him escape justice (and in fact making him rich), no. I don't think that makes you a bad person. Plus, how awesome is the little scene where your squadmates intimidate the other guards?

Pacifien wrote...

More cookies for SCIENCE!

Well, y'all already figured out the whole Suicide Mission, and I had to do something with my Labor Day.

Modifié par Quething, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:16 .

[TheAzureVanguard]

Just to update this thread I recently just played the Feros mission and heres what I did.

No Sidequests
Jeong = ALIVE
Shiala = ALIVE
4 Colonists were SAVED

And I still got Colony Gone. Julia and her daughter say that they are leaving.

HOWEVER when I talk to Jeong he keeps saying "Feros will get a second chance". So I'm quite confused as to whether or not the colony was truly "saved" and how that would affect ME2.

Either way though it doesn't really matter. I redid the mission and saved the colony. However I was trying to test out the various theories as to what determines of Feros is saved or not and I was quite shocked at the above result.

[AlterAssassin]

Interesting, I used Renegade option on Jeong, spared Shiala, chose Wipe Out Everything dialog, spared 13 of 16 colonists, did all the sidequests and the colony was lost. Didn't make sense.

[Quething]

TheAzureVanguard wrote...

Just to update this thread I recently just played the Feros mission and heres what I did.

No Sidequests
Jeong = ALIVE
Shiala = ALIVE
4 Colonists were SAVED

And I still got Colony Gone. Julia and her daughter say that they are leaving.

HOWEVER when I talk to Jeong he keeps saying "Feros will get a second chance". So I'm quite confused as to whether or not the colony was truly "saved" and how that would affect ME2.

Either way though it doesn't really matter. I redid the mission and saved the colony. However I was trying to test out the various theories as to what determines of Feros is saved or not and I was quite shocked at the above result.

Looks like we're still missing a variable, maybe. Whether you paragon or renegade persuade Jeong? Whether you tell your squad to watch their fire or shoot everything that moves? Whether you do Gavin Wossname's sidequest? What other decisions can you even make on Feros?

I can't figure out the import either, Shiala in ME2 keeps telling my main!Shep that "ExoGeni has been very supportive," even though she shot Jeong in the face and that's supposed to result in "ExoGeni has been leaving us alone." Stupid Feros...

[valakii]

Regarding that Feros issue I was hoping someone could help me out with a problem:

I just finished ME1 once again (preparing my "perfect" import character for ME2/3 ).
When I spoke to Ethan Jeong after returning from ExoGeni, I intimidated him with Shepards Spectre status. To be exact, I chose the dialog options "I'll kill you first.", then "Sounds logical.", earning me 25 renegade and 2 paragon points.

So here's the strange thing about that:
When I imported my character into ME2, I thought: Why not have a look at the decisions I made in ME1 with Gibbed's editor? So I checked the ME1 plot flags and surprisingly came across a CHECKED "Feros: Convinced Ethan Jeong" and an UNCHECKED "Feros: Intimidated Ethan Jeong"!

Just to avoid that question: I'm 100% sure which lines I picked, I even checked my save files for that.
I was playing a mixed alignment Shepard. At the time I spoke to Ethan Jeong my paragon and renegade scores were each around 2/3, with paragon being slightly higher before the conversation and slighty lower after the conversation. By the way, I accepted the anti-thorian grenades, killed no colonists but killed Shiala thus rescuing the colony. Outcome for Feros colony says "Give_Good_Plus".

So now I'm basically wondering why my decisions are checked the wrong way round in my save files. I also downloaded another save file of a character that intimidated Jeong (masseffectsaves.com) and checked that one's plot flags out, but there it was correct ("Feros: Intimidated Ethan Jeong": CHECK, "Feros: Convinced Ethan Jeong": UNCHECK.)

Has anybody figured out the conditions of those flags? And is my save file correct or is it maybe buggy? Any hints are appreciated!

[eternalnightmare13]

Stryker1550 wrote...

Okay, I redid the mission, the same as before, but instead choosing "Wipe everything out." I chose "Careful. Leave the colonists." and I killed every single person and... colony saved. O.o

I don't know if it matters, but I went to Feros first this time, instead of Noveria.

Hrm...that's odd.  Wonder if it was a glitch.  Would be interesting to see how it effects an import to ME2 when you go to Illium - if the generic colonist is there asking for help or not.

[Quething]

Stryker1550 wrote...

Okay, I redid the mission, the same as before, but instead choosing "Wipe everything out." I chose "Careful. Leave the colonists." and I killed every single person and... colony saved. O.o

I don't know if it matters, but I went to Feros first this time, instead of Noveria.

You may have found it! :happy: Next time I have the patience I'll do some more testing on the effect of your orders to the crew.

Also, I need to investigate the meaning of "give_good" versus "give_good_plus"...

[swenson]

Weird. I didn't think that had any effect. You absolutely sure you did everything else the same both times? You didn't kill Jeong the second time or accidentally leave a colonist alive or something? Or knock them out (melee attack; counts as being knocked out instead of killed) instead of shooting them? That's really odd.

[Hallusinaatti]

Intimidated Jeong, saved all colonists, spared Shiala.

Colony saved!

All you need is a lot of 'nades and an eagle eye when throwing them.

[Darkphalanax]

I think you must do only the sidequest and kill everybody you can. In that way, I'm sure you will screw the colony.

So simple for me.. For my renegade playthrough my Shepard's line will be "Screw all, I going to kill everybody, I won't have pity for the weak, anybody in my way will be killed, the crew on my ship are just tools for me. Screw the galaxy, I don't have any interest in saving it, I only want to fight a worthy enemy, bring it on Reapers you son of a b....!!!".. xD

[Marilla Eldriana]

Just wanted to add in my own experience. I chose the renegade persuade option for Jeong, killed all the colonists and Shiala, and didn't do any of the sidequests and for some reason the colony was still saved. I know for a fact that I didn't accidentally leave a colonist alive, because my counter was at 0 and I got no paragon points after that scene. I chose the "Wipe everything out" dialogue option, but then backtracked when Garrus spoke up to mention the grenades. Not sure if that had an effect or not.

[RoseLegion]

Quething wrote...

Stryker1550 wrote...

Okay, I redid the mission, the same as before, but instead choosing "Wipe everything out." I chose "Careful. Leave the colonists." and I killed every single person and... colony saved. O.o

I don't know if it matters, but I went to Feros first this time, instead of Noveria.

You may have found it! :happy: Next time I have the patience I'll do some more testing on the effect of your orders to the crew.

Also, I need to investigate the meaning of "give_good" versus "give_good_plus"...

I'm interested in defining the atributes (and diffrences) of "give_good" versus "give_good_plus" as well.  I'm starting a new game soon so if there's a testing method you'd like to let me know about I'll provide some additional data   feel free to let me know here or in a PM. 

And if anyone already knows the answer to this I'd love to hear it   but I'm guessing it's time to do some more testing on the colony and how it behaves